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darkside-ky In reply to kitty-n777 [2010-04-26 00:02:26 +0000 UTC]

While that is part of his reason for being "useless", the notion could also be said of Millia being unwilling to kill. I'm sure in both cases, it was considered, so they probably thought they'd make better guinea pigs if not assassins...though even in Millia's case, even when she used Angra, she was still unwilling.

But there's a quote by Slayer to Venom that says "Not a vessel (Host), suffocating isn't it?" In other words he's saying it's a struggle for such a human being to live in combat against Gears and those as powerful as Gears.

Venom uses his own form of magic summoning which is referred to as "Encirclement of the Ball" which works in conjunction with his Instant Kill: Deimmu Borgir or Dark Fortress.

And even though he hates Millia, he's worked alongside her on many occaisions.

In the end there's a lot of grey area, and some of the stuff from GGX changed in XX, so I had to make due with what I understood.

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kitty-n777 In reply to darkside-ky [2010-04-26 00:38:10 +0000 UTC]

Well, I never really jumped to the conclusion that Slayer was talking about being able to fight off Gears so much as the fact that it's a jab against Venom's constant Zato obsession - he wasn't a vessel for anything, therefore not as capable of destruction as Millia, therefore was not as held in high esteem as she was. I don't think he cared much about whether or not Venom can take down Gears.

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darkside-ky In reply to kitty-n777 [2010-04-26 02:27:39 +0000 UTC]

I don't know if his "Zato-obsession" was that so much as it was his obsession to duty.

Even if his desire for Zato was heavily implied it was never totally stated.

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kitty-n777 In reply to darkside-ky [2010-04-26 12:14:00 +0000 UTC]

I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure that response to getting scalpel'd is clear enough. *shot for taking the easy way out*

But no, I kinda don't see how "obsession with duty" and "obsession with Zato" are NOT correlated in this case. I know it came really close in his AC+ Story Mode to being the latter, to the point where all the choices and most of the dialogue hinges on him following what he thought Zato would have wanted and eventually deciding the only way to be happy is to say "screw this, zato was a dick and I was dumb for going along with this >[ everybody get out" or just... keep going along with it and trolling the PWAB because hey that sounds fun. Really though, that can all still be either or.

But if you are talking about the unmentionable l-word, there's also the fact that while Venom never says it (though he does mention that the only meaning to his life anymore is making sure the last remaining part of Zato stays alive, multiple times) both Slayer and Millia will mention it and considering that Venom always changes the subject on them, I think that's as good as we'll ever get. Millia will even outright call it love before fighting him, not to mention she spent an entire drama cd dangling information over his head just to listen to him constantly go from "shut up I'm not helping you " to "Ajdahf89dshfa OH GOD ZATO-SAMA WHERE IS HE ;A;". Slayer will mostly warn him about his new grunge-wank against Millia, but also point out in his win-quote that Venom just couldn't be Zato's prince and he has to deal with that, plus the aforementioned "you're just not as strong as Millia" prodding.

I KNOW, I KNOW. Technically you can keep saying it's just implied or he's just a weird workaholic, but. Sometimes we'll just never get to hear anything outright. It probably wouldn't be GG if anything was officially stated. Damn you, Daisuke.

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darkside-ky In reply to kitty-n777 [2010-04-26 15:26:26 +0000 UTC]

Actually here's the kicker, in AC+ Venom started having nightmares regarding Zato-1/Eddie, and he was so sick of it and Millia that he killed it in his dreams and killed her in real life (alternate ending where he adopts a boy named Eddie as a drifter/hustler). One of Millia's quotes suggests he has a skewed view of love, in that he's using love as an excuse to kill her.

Alternately, Venom no longer concerns himself with either of them, and focuses solely on the well-being of the Guild and goes to attack PWAB directly (probably with Slayer/Baiken's help).

I'm pretty sure he hates Eddie just as much as he hates Millia, and no amount of hate will bring Zato back (Zappa's S-ko made a comment that his hatred was a match for her own.).

So in the end he probably became the de-facto leader of the Guild, ironically without the use of a Kinjuu.

And regarding Night of Knives, it's heavily implied that he can team up with Millia just as well as Zato-1, and his comments to Goddfried (a warrior servant under an enemy commander) suggest his loyalty as a servant for Zato is more important than any feelings he may have.

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kitty-n777 In reply to kitty-n777 [2010-04-25 20:09:26 +0000 UTC]

Also, when did Slayer mention Gears? Because I was under the impression that he wouldn't, like. Care. Idk.

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darkside-ky In reply to kitty-n777 [2010-04-26 00:11:40 +0000 UTC]

You probably aren't familiar with the GGXX Drama CD: Night of Knives, so if you ever get a chance to listen, please do.

Also I'm working on translating a script to it eventually.

For now though, you can read my crappy notes.

[link]

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kitty-n777 In reply to darkside-ky [2010-04-26 00:29:28 +0000 UTC]

I'm the one who gave the transcription you, dude. I've heard it.

Although I am looking forward to that translation.

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darkside-ky In reply to kitty-n777 [2010-04-26 02:26:32 +0000 UTC]

Oh wait...you're Clockmongler?

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kitty-n777 In reply to darkside-ky [2010-04-26 11:46:50 +0000 UTC]

Shit yeah. B|

...this username is a few years old.

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