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Description When the Syndicate was formed, as the representation of trans-atlantic economic power in the world of Atlantea, the need for self-defense forces was realized in full by the Directorate. The great nations, that backed the Syndicate, were crystal-clearly unwilling to let themselves be drawn into another possible war. Eventually, it became obvious, that on the other side of Bermuda Interdimensional Gate Anomaly every organisation is just for himself.

The Syndicate self-defense forces were initially created as relatively small private mercenary army&navy, intended to maintaining order in the Atlantean colonies, suppress insurrections and separatism, and protect the communications. Their main naval units was small patrol corvettes and gunboats. The Syndicate mantain a small number of heavy ships - mostly outdated, provided from the great War sulpurs - generally for the flag demonstration.

The situation changed, after Germany, Poland and Italy signed the "Steel Pact" in late 1920s. Aimed directly against the interests of Syndicate, the Steel Pact was clearly a challenge toward the Directorate. As an immediate response, the Directorate ordered a large-scale military buildup, reforming the self-defense forces into the full-scale army and navy.


The "Electra"-class destroyers were the clear consequences of this buildup. In early 1930, the US navy decided to get rid of about 40 of "Clemson"-class flush-decked destroyers; the Yarrow boilers, fitted on this subtype, wore out too quickly. The Syndicate reacted quickly, and brought all forty destroyers on the price of scrap metal. Old, but still capable, this destroyers could be quite a valiable addition to the Syndicate naval forces on Atlantea.


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In the 1932-1933, all forty Syndicate "Clemson"-class were thoroughly refitted, to bring them up to date. All their old armament and old boilers were removed, and replaced with new systems.

- The main armament after refit consisted of three 5-inch (127-mm)/25 dual-purpose guns, license-build by the Syndicate. One gun was positioned on the bow, in fron of the bridge, and two other were placed on the rear superstructure. Therefore, the anti-aircraft capabilites of the refitted destroyers were improved significantly, and the heavy shells of 5-inch guns make them much more powerfull in surface actions.  All guns were linked into the main fire control system, with director and 3-meters rangefinder.

- The torpedo armament consisted of two quadruple 21-inch (553-mm) trainable torpedo mounts, placed on the centerline. The total number of tubes, in comparsion with original design, were reduced, but due to centerline position, the actual boardside was increased.

- The anti-aircraft armament consisted of two single-barreled 2-pound QF guns of Vickers design. A few destroyers also were fitted with heavy machineguns.

- The anti-submarine armament consisted of single Y-gun on the rear, and depth charges rails.

Despite the refit, the widespread use of welding allowed to keep the displacement inside the former borders. After the bilers were replaced, the destroyers demonstrated top speed about 37 knots on the trials (hovewer, the actual top speed was still about 35 knots).

The first refitted destroyer, that entered the Syndicate service, was the SDFS (Syndicate Self-Defense Force Ship) "Electra", formely DD-314 "La Valette". After that, all the refitted destroyers were recladssified as "Electra"-class. Currently, the Syndicate Directorate is in talks with the US government about the possibility of acquiring additional "Wickes" and "Clemson"-class ships for reconstruction.
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Comments: 24

ghostraptor1917 [2016-03-10 02:06:30 +0000 UTC]

Nice!

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Dilandu In reply to ghostraptor1917 [2016-03-10 15:54:37 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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ghostraptor1917 In reply to Dilandu [2016-03-10 21:41:07 +0000 UTC]

Your welcome! Wickes class and Clemson class destroyers are my favorite us destroyers

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123er33 [2015-09-06 18:17:31 +0000 UTC]

Прекрасно!
А ваша Атлания - это морской мир?) Вроде Микронезии?

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Dilandu In reply to 123er33 [2015-09-06 20:22:12 +0000 UTC]

Спасибо!

Да, в основном. Де-факто это параллельный мир (пригодный для жизни) доступ к котором пролегает через Бермудский Треугольник (люблю классические мотивы! ). Площадь суши в Атлантии меньше чем на Земле, и эта суша распределена более "равномерно", с большим количеством небольших субконтинентов и архипелагов, но без крупных материков. Побочный эффект - Очень Неприятные Шторма.

Надо будет подготовить документ...

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123er33 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-07 12:16:20 +0000 UTC]

Ваша история очень интересна! В ней СССР и какие то синдикаты группировки - хорошая почва для неудержимого дизельпанка!
А неклассические корабли будут? Ну, типа катамараны для десанта, плавучие города для переселенцев или авианосцы с тремя полетными палубами? 

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Dilandu In reply to 123er33 [2015-09-07 12:52:09 +0000 UTC]

Спасибо! На что и планировал.

//А неклассические корабли будут? Ну, типа катамараны для десанта, плавучие города для переселенцев или авианосцы с тремя полетными палубами?//

Ну, трехпалубные авианосцы - это классика. А насчет "неклассических"... Вон по соседству "Пионер", вполне неклассический. Плюс, я еще планирую сделать плавучую крепость Лиги Наций...

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123er33 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-07 13:11:42 +0000 UTC]

ОО, дааа...я именно про нее 

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Dilandu In reply to 123er33 [2015-09-07 13:24:58 +0000 UTC]

Агась, кое-что неклассическое будет.

P.S. Маленькое уточнение. И Синдикат и СССР в данном мире "хорошие парни". Плохие - это упомянутый в тексте "Стальной пакт", плюс периодически японцы.

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62guy [2015-09-06 06:23:05 +0000 UTC]

The U.S. used a 5'/38 caliber gun on its DD's in WW-II. It barely had enough range, and by the end of the war was clearly out-classed. Your guns, with only 25 caliber would not have an adequate range, even fighting aircraft of the 1930's. Japan, for instance, used 5" AA guns with 40 caliber, their dual-purpose guns were 50 caliber. You also might want to move the ship's boats; as is, they seriously obstruct the torpedo tubes. Finally, you state they have 3 main guns, but in the text you talk about the firepower of 4.

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Dilandu In reply to 62guy [2015-09-06 06:31:31 +0000 UTC]

Er, my 25 caliber gun is the direct predecessor of 5'/38.

www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_…

Their range is sufficient enough, it seems. It may be not impressive, but in comparsion with original 4-inch gun we have almost the same effective range - and much heavier shells.

//Finally, you state they have 3 main guns, but in the text you talk about the firepower of 4.//

Oh, my mistake.

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62guy In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-06 06:46:46 +0000 UTC]

Still, the 5"/38 was barely sufficient. All the other navies, with their 4", 4.7" and 5" guns, all with 40 or more caliber, would greatly out-range your ship's main battery. Also, their efective ceiling was less than 8,000 meters, clearely inadequate by the 1930's (which was why the U.S. Navy replaced them).

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Dilandu In reply to 62guy [2015-09-06 07:31:17 +0000 UTC]

//All the other navies, with their 4", 4.7" and 5" guns, all with 40 or more caliber, would greatly out-range your ship's main battery.//

Well, the main problem is, on what range the destroyers could actually hit the targets? They aren't very stable ships, especially four-stakers. I doubt that the effective range of destroyer battle in 1930s was supposed (at least in naval theory) to be greater than 10000-12000 meters.

I agree, the 5-inch/25 isn't the best weapon for the job. But this is the refit of the old, relatively small destroyer - actually, more a sea-capable torpedo boat. Her main armament still a torpedoes, and her guns... well, at least now she have sufficient anti-air defense. Yes, they would be outranged by the modern destroyer guns. But the larger DP's, frankly, may not fit at all. The "Electra" is almost 50% smaller than the 1930s destroyers, after all!

So yes, this refit is not perfect. Frankly, i don't believe in perfect ships. But it is the sufficient refit, that is A - possible, and B - really improved ship capabilites.

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Pokermind [2015-09-05 19:56:13 +0000 UTC]

Cool, I just posted Salissa Home drawing on DA also the Wiki.  Now have to figure out how three shifting keels work.  Probally center pivot through hull with bronze stuffing box. show large Skeg in the rear will help with wind even without a rudder, holds taie steady while moving keel move forwart part of hull one direction to the other.  On drawing keel is 1 foot below hull.  Feel free to incorporate in 3d version.

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Dilandu In reply to Pokermind [2015-09-05 20:09:20 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

//Now have to figure out how three shifting keels work. //

I'm afraid, i couldn't help here. Sailing ships isn't my speciality...

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Pokermind In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-05 20:20:36 +0000 UTC]

My guess is they pivot on the bottom something like the points of a railroad switch only on the bottom of the hull rather than on the cross ties, and there are three of them.  Probably pivoted in center the pivot bronze in a stuffing box and given location on bottom of hull no doubt leak like hell

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Dilandu In reply to Pokermind [2015-09-05 20:46:12 +0000 UTC]

Probably... seems logical, at least.

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Pokermind In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-05 22:43:20 +0000 UTC]

Sent PM with my error on sliding keel see pokermind.deviantart.com/art/S… or Taylor'ssite for corrected info, also sent PM.

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eltf177 [2015-09-05 17:52:12 +0000 UTC]

Nice and practical.

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Dilandu In reply to eltf177 [2015-09-05 18:13:57 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! My personal pride - i even calculate the weight of removed and installed armament. Frankly, considering that some "Clemson's"' were actually armed with twin 4-inch mounst or even 5-inch/50 guns... Seems that they have a lot of free weight to use.

P.S. Just noted - mistakenly named 5-inch gun as 4,5-inch.

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eltf177 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-05 18:31:05 +0000 UTC]

I'd forgotten about the twin 4-inch, IIRC their ROF was slow which is why the idea was dumped. And IIRC the 5-inch gun forward caused seakeeping problems due to excessive weight forward which is what caused them to be removed...

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Dilandu In reply to eltf177 [2015-09-05 18:35:13 +0000 UTC]

Hm... I never heard about of any 5-inch subtype being rearmed. Four of them were turned into the fast transport in 1942, but at least one served as a destroyer up until 1946 with her 5-inch guns in place.

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eltf177 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-05 18:47:11 +0000 UTC]

I'll have to look that up when I get a chance...

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Dilandu In reply to eltf177 [2015-09-05 18:52:03 +0000 UTC]

I'll be gratefull. Frankly, never heard about stability problems of heavy-armed "Clemsons"; at least, about more problems that they already have.

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