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ghostraptor1917 In reply to Dilandu [2016-03-10 21:41:07 +0000 UTC]
Your welcome! Wickes class and Clemson class destroyers are my favorite us destroyers
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123er33 [2015-09-06 18:17:31 +0000 UTC]
Прекрасно!
А ваша Атлания - это морской мир?) Вроде Микронезии?
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123er33 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-07 12:16:20 +0000 UTC]
Ваша история очень интересна! В ней СССР и какие то синдикаты группировки - хорошая почва для неудержимого дизельпанка!
А неклассические корабли будут? Ну, типа катамараны для десанта, плавучие города для переселенцев или авианосцы с тремя полетными палубами?
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123er33 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-07 13:11:42 +0000 UTC]
ОО, дааа...я именно про нее
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62guy [2015-09-06 06:23:05 +0000 UTC]
The U.S. used a 5'/38 caliber gun on its DD's in WW-II. It barely had enough range, and by the end of the war was clearly out-classed. Your guns, with only 25 caliber would not have an adequate range, even fighting aircraft of the 1930's. Japan, for instance, used 5" AA guns with 40 caliber, their dual-purpose guns were 50 caliber. You also might want to move the ship's boats; as is, they seriously obstruct the torpedo tubes. Finally, you state they have 3 main guns, but in the text you talk about the firepower of 4.
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Dilandu In reply to 62guy [2015-09-06 06:31:31 +0000 UTC]
Er, my 25 caliber gun is the direct predecessor of 5'/38.
www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_…
Their range is sufficient enough, it seems. It may be not impressive, but in comparsion with original 4-inch gun we have almost the same effective range - and much heavier shells.
//Finally, you state they have 3 main guns, but in the text you talk about the firepower of 4.//
Oh, my mistake.
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62guy In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-06 06:46:46 +0000 UTC]
Still, the 5"/38 was barely sufficient. All the other navies, with their 4", 4.7" and 5" guns, all with 40 or more caliber, would greatly out-range your ship's main battery. Also, their efective ceiling was less than 8,000 meters, clearely inadequate by the 1930's (which was why the U.S. Navy replaced them).
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Dilandu In reply to 62guy [2015-09-06 07:31:17 +0000 UTC]
//All the other navies, with their 4", 4.7" and 5" guns, all with 40 or more caliber, would greatly out-range your ship's main battery.//
Well, the main problem is, on what range the destroyers could actually hit the targets? They aren't very stable ships, especially four-stakers. I doubt that the effective range of destroyer battle in 1930s was supposed (at least in naval theory) to be greater than 10000-12000 meters.
I agree, the 5-inch/25 isn't the best weapon for the job. But this is the refit of the old, relatively small destroyer - actually, more a sea-capable torpedo boat. Her main armament still a torpedoes, and her guns... well, at least now she have sufficient anti-air defense. Yes, they would be outranged by the modern destroyer guns. But the larger DP's, frankly, may not fit at all. The "Electra" is almost 50% smaller than the 1930s destroyers, after all!
So yes, this refit is not perfect. Frankly, i don't believe in perfect ships. But it is the sufficient refit, that is A - possible, and B - really improved ship capabilites.
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Pokermind [2015-09-05 19:56:13 +0000 UTC]
Cool, I just posted Salissa Home drawing on DA also the Wiki. Now have to figure out how three shifting keels work. Probally center pivot through hull with bronze stuffing box. show large Skeg in the rear will help with wind even without a rudder, holds taie steady while moving keel move forwart part of hull one direction to the other. On drawing keel is 1 foot below hull. Feel free to incorporate in 3d version.
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Dilandu In reply to Pokermind [2015-09-05 20:46:12 +0000 UTC]
Probably... seems logical, at least.
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eltf177 [2015-09-05 17:52:12 +0000 UTC]
Nice and practical.
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eltf177 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-05 18:31:05 +0000 UTC]
I'd forgotten about the twin 4-inch, IIRC their ROF was slow which is why the idea was dumped. And IIRC the 5-inch gun forward caused seakeeping problems due to excessive weight forward which is what caused them to be removed...
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Dilandu In reply to eltf177 [2015-09-05 18:35:13 +0000 UTC]
Hm... I never heard about of any 5-inch subtype being rearmed. Four of them were turned into the fast transport in 1942, but at least one served as a destroyer up until 1946 with her 5-inch guns in place.
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eltf177 In reply to Dilandu [2015-09-05 18:47:11 +0000 UTC]
I'll have to look that up when I get a chance...
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