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tommyboywood [2014-03-06 23:54:02 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for this. Read similar many times but this is succinct and tidy.
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AtlasArtifex [2014-02-10 14:52:12 +0000 UTC]
I put the prologue of my novel on DA, but nothing else. Is that a 'deal breaker' ?
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DorianHarper In reply to AtlasArtifex [2014-02-10 15:04:57 +0000 UTC]
It shouldn't be, but always before querying take down anything related to the novel about a year or more in advance. It takes about this long for it to be removed from internet searches (though there are always files that can be located even after being removed, but it's more work to try and find them-- it's doubtful agents will go that in-depth when searching since it takes a lot of time). If just a prologue is found, it doesn't ensure that the rest of the novel wasn't at some point, too, so it's best to have everything removed.
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isac123 [2014-02-05 06:03:15 +0000 UTC]
How careful do I have to be about online publishing if I want an agent to look at my MS? Does having any part of it out there sink you? I was thinking of putting up a few chapters somewhere to make sure I had a good hook at the beginning of my story, maybe opening it up to critiques, but not sharing the whole thing. Or I saw a site like lulu.com that let's you print your book for like $7, which I would be interested in using to make copies for friends but not if it puts off a potential agent.
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DorianHarper In reply to isac123 [2014-02-05 06:59:11 +0000 UTC]
I would shy away from using any type of self-publishing/POD publishing of the book if at all possible. Sites like Lulu assign ISBN numbers to all books printed (even if just through them for private use) which would consider the book already published. There are ways to go to local printers to get books spiral bound for friends and family (especially when asking for revisions prior to sending to agents) that will make it a nice, presentable format without risking losing rights to your work.
As for online, posting a chapter or two for critique won't hurt, but make 100% sure it's set only for dA members to see and as soon as you get your critiques, remove it/put it into storage (the first being the better of the two). It's better to find critique partners willing to read your work via e-mail, since once a piece is put up online, it's considered published (so even with Chapter 1 up, your novel would be considered "partially published"). Also, agents don't know that if one chapter is up if others were up in the past-- making the whole novel originally published. Be aware that it also can take up to a year for files online to be removed from search engines. So when removing work from online, plan to do so at least a year prior to querying-- though remember: once something is online, it leaves a traceable file forever that can still be located if looked for properly.
I'd say if you want to be the safest with a manuscript, don't post any of it online and stick to e-mail critique exchanges. However, I haven't seen trouble with my own work posting a few chapters online for critique and removing/storing them 1-2 years before querying. But, always be advised that anything online runs the risk of being already published and losing first publishing rights. And, of course, that agents always search!
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isac123 In reply to DorianHarper [2014-02-06 04:36:25 +0000 UTC]
Do you know a good place to find a critique partner? I've been sharing stuff with friends, but usually comments are across the board, if you can actually take the time to read anything. I am being very hypocritical of course because two people have asked me to read their stuff, and I am having the most awful time doing it.
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DorianHarper In reply to isac123 [2014-02-06 12:55:44 +0000 UTC]
Beta-Readers is a very good group that helps pair authors up with a critique partner. You just need to fill out the form there and they'll either pair someone up for you, or you can put it in the folder and see if anyone comes to take a bite at your application to help work on the story. I've found a bunch of great partners to do critique trades with over there (all through e-mail) to get a good variety of outside feedback from my regular offline circle.
I recommend them at the top of my list!
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RhiannonOeuvre [2014-01-21 06:57:31 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for this guide! I'm finishing my first draft and looking to publish, so I'm grateful for the rewrite, rewrite and rewrite again advice because I have a tendency to be lazy I'm so much more excited about sending my book to a publisher and I'm going to work harder now!
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ShaylaPlumFairy [2013-11-30 00:49:58 +0000 UTC]
This is a well-written and strong guide. You provide clear examples, good organization, and great hints and tips. Thank you!
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orchidshadowfox [2013-11-26 16:21:52 +0000 UTC]
Wow, these are great, especially to keep in mind as I start to finish up my own editing. Thanks for sharing them!
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DamonWakes [2013-08-24 15:07:37 +0000 UTC]
I always knew there would be a lot of reasons for a manuscript to get rejected, but it's interesting to see so many (though I assume not all of them) listed here, particularly by someone actually in the business. I was surprised to see such an even mix of "stupid, stupid mistake" and "agent just doesn't want it right now." Obviously a thousand page manuscript written in powder pink, six point Jokerman is a colossal problem, while a manuscript given to an agent who isn't all that big on sci-fi is just a regular problem, but I'd sort of expected a few more minor (but common) blunders included here.
I guess the main thing to take away from this is that people submit manuscripts to the right places, properly, but also to keep at it: there are a lot of different factors involved in how it'll be received.
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AtsusaKaneytza [2013-08-17 19:31:45 +0000 UTC]
Would you say that this same logic applies for publishing a graphic novel?
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DorianHarper In reply to AtsusaKaneytza [2013-08-17 19:48:44 +0000 UTC]
I'd say for the most part, yes. You usually go through agents for graphic novels, too, but I'd add in artistic quality with the visual art, as well! Some agents like some styles more than others (we rep. one graphic novel at the agency I'm at-- it's very different from most), so it would apply with the personal taste aspect, too!
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fainting-goat [2013-08-17 03:45:05 +0000 UTC]
Very interesting, and not terribly surprising. I always wish more people talked about the business side of publishing. It's like everyone's dream is to go out and get published and yet there's a whole other side to it that they might not like. I personally find the business world infuriating enough with something that isn't my hobby, I'm not certain I could stand having to deal with it in relation to something I love. My other gripe with the 'gotta be published!' mentality is that acceptance is linked to talent. There's a lot of reasons up there you listed that have absolutely nothing to do with talent but can still get someone rejected. I remember reading an account of my one of my favorite authors of how he got rejection after rejection until he played the game and got some connections inside the industry, and only then did he get published. Welcome to reality. Publishing is a business and the business world pretty much sucks.
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seriouscat26 [2013-08-17 02:46:54 +0000 UTC]
Lovely article, although I'm not a writer, I think some of these points do apply to artists as well, heheh. Also, this is fun to read too!
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thecheshireguy [2013-08-16 19:28:32 +0000 UTC]
It's a very informative journal which helped me to put myself on the agents' "shoes". Many thanks for these pearls of wisdom, specially for a beginner writer like me.
I'll also follow your suggestions of books in the comments and do some research later on.
However, I was thinking in follow the "indie"/self-publishing way by now because I'm a "foreigner" writer. Since I can't do webcomics due not knowing how to draw properly, I thought this could be a good idea.
Do you think the Internet can be a good start to beginner writers like me ?
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DorianHarper In reply to thecheshireguy [2013-08-17 00:09:21 +0000 UTC]
I'm so glad you found it helpful!
I think the Internet could be a good place to start out. It's full of many other people who share the same passion that you can hopefully learn from and get some feedback from and see how things work. You also can build up a readership this way! The thing to remember if ever deciding to go the traditional route, however, is that work published online is considered "already published", so it's best to keep things offline that you'd want to try to publish traditionally. Aside from that, though, by all means, the Internet is a great place!
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IllusionsOfInsanity [2013-08-16 19:02:54 +0000 UTC]
Wow, this is a great guide! I'm definitely faving this so I can read it over again! Thanks for the great guide!
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viralremix [2013-08-16 12:34:57 +0000 UTC]
Great guide! Reminds me of my querying days. I adore my agent and I'm very lucky to have him. I can only imagine how much work they have to do, on top of answering solicitations!
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Lupina24 [2013-08-16 04:21:27 +0000 UTC]
Wonderful article with information and examples to clue aspiring writers into how to handle and what to expect from the publishing scene. Pestering and Ego-flags probably be the worst to deal with.
My personal worst would be the query letters. I have never seen an example of how one should be written or presented.
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hallosse [2013-08-16 02:00:11 +0000 UTC]
Oh thank you! This is great.
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lohkk [2013-08-16 01:36:17 +0000 UTC]
This is great... but for someone who has a novel nearing completion and wants to start looking into getting it published, where on earth do you start? The world of publishing is enormous, confusing, and has a reputation for being discouragingly brutal. I can't figure out where to start because every "how to get published" guide I've ever seen is written in such a way that you'd have to understand how to get published just to understand the guide.
I kind of feel like I'm running into battle without a sword here. Help?
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IzzyMarrie [2013-08-16 00:59:01 +0000 UTC]
Oh my god wow... thank you so much for sharing this advice. I believe all authors starting out should read this. I hope to one day become published, and this is the type of advice I needed. A lot of writers can stand to benefit from this. I mean, I honestly didn't even think of how self-publishing would affect my chances of finding an actual big time publisher. I was considering e-books when I was finished writing, you know, to start out. But now I realize I should definitely think everything through first, and take into consideration both possibilities, since I already know that a lot of people are wary of purchasing books that are self-published
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IzzyMarrie In reply to DorianHarper [2013-08-18 23:32:32 +0000 UTC]
Thank you so much for your kind words, and hopefully one day I will get published.
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