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Published: 2012-01-31 20:33:58 +0000 UTC; Views: 6132; Favourites: 190; Downloads: 19
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See, I don't mind feminists, not at all, but then there are the god damn women who wail rape or sexual harassment the moment something doesn't go their way. Another thing that I absolutely hate, is when they do it to get someone fired.I worked with a girl who constantly whined sexual harassment to the manager to get people fired. She did this 12 times before the Manager caught on that she was doing it to people in her department so she'd get more hours. She was fired, and immediately whined that the manager tried to rape her. He quite blatantly told authorities that he was happily in a civil union with his partner of 10 years, and wouldn't touch her with a radiation suit on.
There's feminism, and then there's this bullshit. It's half the reason why I don't respect women as much as I should, yet I'm the kind of person that will only give respect to those who proved themselves to me. Sounds a bit concieted, but it's the only way I trust people, both men and women.
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So this almost never happens and is just an excuse assholes use to not believe victims of rape and sexual assault.
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Actually... You'd be suprised at how much it happens.
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Because it doesn't happen that often. Not only that, reporting sexual harassment is not a very reliable way to get people fired. Mostly because of dumbasses like you who think women are liars.
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I don't think all women are liars though???
I was just saying it's happening more and more!
'Reporting sexual harassment is not a very reliable way to get people fired'
Oh yes it is!
People loose their job, get turned away by their friends, their family, go to jail... Their lives are taken away.
No, i don't think all women are liars. I think that just believing the accusation without the teeniest bit of evidence is NOT enough. (Which, that is what they do.) Some feminists like Lacey Green encourage women to lie! She's the real sexist!
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No, Lacey Green is not encouraging women to lie. And I don't even like Lacey Green. Also no, it can be VERY hard to get someone fire for sexual harassment and no they shouldn't have to present evidence because it is not a court of law. Besides, how would they even get this evidence? Do you think they're just going to film the guy on camera as he jacks off in front of them? Also the guy sexually harassing them is probably their boss and has power over them.
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What i said does sound kind of foolish. Sorry for being a dumbass for a second. But, I just think that false accusations ALL TOGETHER need to stop. Doesn't matter how constant, it just needs to stop.
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Of course they need to stop. It's just not the biggest thing to be concerned about and when you do talk about it like it's an epidemic or something, you make it harder for women (and men) who have been sexually harassed to come forward.
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I see that now. It makes it harder on everyone.
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Feminism was supposed to be a good ideology until it got corrupted by times and SJWs.
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It's sad how this only became more relevant with time.
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Funny you say that considering false accusations only occur 2% of the time and disproportionately affect men of color in comparison to the 98% of accusations which are overwhelmingly true. "It's half the reason why I don't respect women as much as I should, yet I'm the kind of person that will only give respect to those who proved themselves to me." Womanhood is not binary. You either respect all women, or none - and claiming you don't respect women because of that 2% sounds alarmingly like the same "All men are trash" rhetoric you dispel.
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Tell this to the MeToo Movement which has now become a man hating organization.
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Fired? If there was a feminist in my workplace, I'd find a new job. They're freaking annoying.
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Not all of them. Just the feminazis and the radfems.
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do you live in america
if you said yes then theres literally NO REASON for feminism anymore
we have equal pay and freedom of speech
W E A R E N OT O P P R E S S E D A N Y M O R E
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First of all, this comment is like over 2 months old
Second of all
HEY
NOT ALL AMERICAN FEMINISTS ONLY CARE ABOUT AMERICA
Feminism is still very relevant in the middle east. Did I ever say that we were oppressed in America? I certainly didn't.
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So some guy oppressed you by having a penis? Your life sounds tragic. In fact, I'm going to go to Pakistan and tell all the women there exactly how oppressed you are compared to them.
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...Or maybe a lot of men could just stop sexually harassing their female co-workers, which, btw, is pretty common.
Ofc it's shitty to lie about it. I don't support liars because they silence the real survivors.
But you know, in a lot of cases in which a woman has been harassed or sexually assaulted, the culprit just makes the victim look like a "crazy lying bitch" etc. Usually women don't come forward about sexually harassment for no reason. Most of the times it happens, women are too terrified to say anything, in fear of facing more mental or even physical violence from the culprit. Most cases go completely unreported, and often the abuse can go on long periods of time and traumatize the survivor. Some can shrugg it off, while some suffer damage to their mental health, and mental health damage makes it harder to go to work or just survive everyday life.
Yep I know, false accusations do happen and there are people out there who would do it simply to hurt someone. Such people are trash.
But I'm just saying... Most of the time women are not lying. The harassment is very, very common. If you're not a woman or raised a woman, you'll never know the reality women face.
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Exactly. The whole thing about women lying about harassment is a nearly non-existent problem.
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Men get sexually harassed, too...
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I never said they don't.
Sexually harassing a man is just as wrong as sexually harassing a woman, but this whole stamp/discussion was about the harassment of women by men (the most common and widespread type of sexual harassment), so I don't entirely see how is your reply relevant.
If you want people to think more about what you mentioned (which also is important), I suggest you engage discussion about it in where it doesn't derail the conversation abt something else. It's like going to a funeral of person X, and bringing up another dead person Y there, in a tone that implies that grieving X in their own funeral would be somehow invalidating towards grieving person Y, even tho no one ever even tried to say Y doesn't matter there.
I'll give you that, however, that the lack of consent culture and the problems it creates (sexual harassment/abuse/violence of ppl of any gender, by people of any gender), is a problem that is currentmy discussed too much in ways that make it look like it'd only be straight dudes vs. women, which excludes ppl who experienced harassment from literally anyone else than a hetero Guy, and who aren't women. And that the lack of discussion about the problem that is when-people-violate-sexual-consent as an universal topic also makes it harder for especially male survivors to even realize they're being harassed, and for female harassers to see they're being fucked-up aassholes. I get it why this concerns you. What you said is important.
It just feels out of place to point it out here, as if I somehow claimed it wouldn't happen to men too, when I literally never said so. I was just making a point in regards to the stamp, which doesn't have anything to do with men's harassment.
Thanks. Have a nice day.
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Sorry?
I feel like the whole "1 out of 4/5/6 women are raped" thing is bullshit. Basically all they did is asked if they were raped. They didn't ask what actually happened, and some girls think that because they regret having sex with someone then they get to cry rape. Rape lies do happen, and it's ridiculous because it makes actual rape victims look bad and they get silenced.
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...And now you bring rape (which is assault, not harassment, and much more severe and serious) into the discussion (about workplace harassment of women) that it wasn't a part of. You might be referring to the "women get abused more than men do" thing in general, tho, I guess. So I get why you bring it up. Tbh I, either, am not sure if such claim about group X being moar aboosed than group Y could be true, since male survivors don't come forward as often as female ones, and bcs Tumblrites have abused the word "rape" so aggressively that according to some wackadoodoos, even looking at someone can "rape" them. "!!!1 these disgustening cishet male scums were reapeing me with their eyes in the town todsyay!!!1" - actual things some ppl say, and it's sort of terrifying So okey m8 I get the point, I get it.
Like...
yea faking rape is bad i agree and there's probably ppl out there who do that and misuse the word and shit, eww what scum they are, yes i agree with u
a study about statistic done by just letting ppl answer to the poll either "yea" or "no" may not be reliable bcs of how differently the question could be understood by ignorant individuals. valid point and i think i agree ok
do u still wanna try to argue with me? at this point i hardly see what do we have that we could argue about. unless you wanna start talking about whether spinosaurus could actually kill a t-rex or not. now there's a more fun topic anyway. now i derailed this discussion 100% and even more than you did before, also but who cares. dinosaurs are nicer than human problems.
yays.
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Sexual harassment against women happens about as, if not less often than it happens to men. Men don't get away with lying about it the way women do, though.
Just sayin'.
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Just because men don't come forward as much and Feminism has oversold the victimization of women doesn't mean men aren't victimized as much, or even more than women are.
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I never said men weren't victimized and the vast, VAST, majority of my fellow feminist agree with me. But women are victims of sexual harassment more often then men. Now it is true men have higher rates of being victims of rape, which is not harassment it's assault, but that's only in prisons and the military. But that is not to down play or ignore male victims of rape, harassment, or even abuse, it's simply to put it into context.
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"I never said men weren't victimized"
Irrelevant. I was talking about how women aren't disproportionally victimized by sexual harassment, not that men are victimized in the first place.
"the vast, VAST, majority of my fellow feminist agree with me."
I doubt that, considering the legislation you all push.
"But women are victims of sexual harassment more often then men."
Nope. Men simply don't come forward as much, they're not given nearly as much sympathy when they do, and their victimization isn't oversold like womens' is.
"Now it is true men have higher rates of being victims of rape, which is not harassment it's assault, but that's only in prisons and the military."
I wasn't talking about rape. That's a whole other can o' worms.
"But that is not to down play or ignore male victims of rape, harassment, or even abuse, it's simply to put it into context."
Bullshit.
First of all, men are raped outside of the military and prison at the same rate women are. Second, the only reason you'd mention the military and prison at all is to downplay male victims of rape as "toxic masculinity"; which is essentially victim-blaming.
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First, you're wrong. Women are victims of sexual violence at a much higher rate than men, so shut the fuck up. Second, yes toxic masculinity does play a role in sexual violence and to deny that or brush it aside is fucking stupid. Third, no feminist is pushing legislation that would in any way harm male victims of sexual violence or harassment. Fourth, yes male victims do need to come out more and it is a problem that our society makes men feel like they can't, but that doesn't mean female victims are "oversold".
The fact of the matter is you hate women. You clearly hate women and want to use male victims of sexual harassment and violence as an excuse to harass women.
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"First, you're wrong. Women are victims of sexual violence at a much higher rate than men, so shut the fuck up."
That's it? All you've got is 'you're wrong'? No reasoning, no points, no examples, just 'you're wrong' and 'shut the fuck up'.
"Second, yes toxic masculinity does play a role in sexual violence and to deny that or brush it aside is fucking stupid."
The problem with the concept of toxic masculinity isn't so much its existence, but rather its connotations. Yes, men are raised with the idea of hyper-agency. However, to call that toxic masculinity puts the onus on men, as if their upbringing is their own fault. Not to mention you yourself have used toxic masculinity as a counter-argument against the idea that male victims of sexual harassment and rape are underrepresented. Essentially, if men didn't harbor toxic masculinity, they wouldn't be underrepresented. This is victim blaming.
Let's swap the sexes here: If women didn't harbor toxic femininity, their upbringing that they should be submissive and docile, then they wouldn't have less wages overall. See the problem here?
"Third, no feminist is pushing legislation that would in any way harm male victims of sexual violence or harassment."
Oh really? Ever heard of the Duluth Model? It essentially forces the police to arrest men in any domestic violence situation, even the only aggressor in the situation was the woman and/or only the man has suffered injuries. This is because the Duluth Model essentially says since the vast majority of abusers are men, so the police should assume the man is the abuser, which in turn feeds into the assumption that men are the majority of abusers. See the vicious circle here?
However, when you look at the numbers in an unbiased fashion, such as not inflating female victims by including things like 'being yelled at' for them and not for male victims, you start to see that abusers are about 50/50, often with a slight leaning on the female side. Sometimes more so, such as the case of 70% of initiators in reciprocal domestic violence being female. Though I believe this is only the case because women tend to get away with violence more often than men do rather than women being more violent by nature.
"Fourth, yes male victims do need to come out more and it is a problem that our society makes men feel like they can't, but that doesn't mean female victims are "oversold"."
Actually, that is in fact a contributing reason why female victims are oversold. After all, if less male victims come forward than female ones, that's leads people to think that women are victimized more. That said, this isn't the only reason why female victims are oversold; not even the biggest one, in fact.
"The fact of the matter is you hate women. You clearly hate women and want to use male victims of sexual harassment and violence as an excuse to harass women."
When you're losing the argument, just call 'em a misogynist.
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this is why i have little respect for modern day feminism....women in the united states for the most part have equal rights,if not privilege compared to men......yes rape and sexual harassment is a horrid thing to go through,yes it happens to men and women every day....but whenever an accusation of rape or sexual harassment (witch a very SERIOUS accusation) that was made turns out to be false, feminists complain when the accuser gets punished for it,i am not saying that the the moments of harassment did,or did not happen (as i obviously was not there,and it would be stupid of me to make a claim either way) however,with what i read...i BELEAVE that based on the information,and what i understand from it....that the claims made by the women are suspicious and not to be taken soly on her report.
poeple yell "oh but that's sexist...who would make something like that up?" and i say to this...many people! and i can list several reasons
1 revenge
2 greed (in this case,ie more hours (in turn equaling more $ ) )
3 vindictiveness
4 blackmail
5 pleasure....yes,there arr indeed people in this world who can and DO go out of their way to make other people as miserable as possible
6 prejudice
7 ignorance,there are GENUINE cases in witch someone honestly made a mistake or got caught up in misunderstandings when it comes to these delicate matters,tho not intentional it CAN happen
and it doesn't help the fact that third wave radical feminism claims they fight for equality,but at the same time insinuate that all men are rapists,pedophiles and violent criminals...and encourage these stereotypes,and that any man that does not agree with them "supports patriarchy" this does not bridge the gap of understanding between men and women,it makes the gap bigger.
they need to understand things are not always black and white,they also need to understand that equality does not stop if its not favorable to their agenda
we need to trade in Feminism AND MRA/MGTOW for equalism...because these problems sure as hell aren't going to get fixed the way people are going about it now.
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Wow.
So you think what's wrong with rape and harassment is that men get fired when they rape someone?
I guess anonymous men on the internet say crazy shit, huh?
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They're talking about FALSE ACCUSATIONS of rape, not ACTUAL fucking rape. Damn. -_-
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False accusations very rarely happen. It's a non-issue.
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No, what he's trying to say is that there are some women who claim to be feminist, that try to get men fired by falsely accusing them of rape (which (believe or not) some women actually do! Σ（・□・；）*sarcastic "what?!"* )
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You know, if a woman feels like she's being sexually harassed she has a right to report it. Sexual harassment happens to women pretty often in this world, and women don't pretend these kinds of things happen 99% of the time.
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I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
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