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A scene from one of the many Winterreisen (Winter expeditions) of the XIV century, during the seemingly perpetual conflict (Peter von Duisburg dates it to start in 1283) between the catholic Teutonic Order and the pagan Lithuanians. 


The conflict attracted many knights and adventurers seeking to commit themselves in chivalric and pious adventures against the new "Saracens", as the Teutonic Order propaganda painted the pagan Lithuanians.


The idea was basically this: go to the Baltic, which isn't as far away or as dangerous as the Holy Land (Acre had fallen in 1291); you are free to decide if you prefer to go during Summer or Winter; be a guest of the Teutonic Knights in the great castle of Marienburg; be invested as a knight if you aren't a knight already and then go and fight some war and live some chivalric adventure against some enemies of God and then back home you return.


Things were obviously not as funny for the people living in the area.  

The Winterreisen, weren't much different from the military campaigns of the earlier northern crusades. The terrain was just better and solid, so lakes and rivers are easy to cross. The objective is to sack, burn and depopulate, by killing or taking hostages. The main difference was that, in the XIV century, nobody really cared about converting anymore.


Then, in 1385, the Lithuanians ruined everything when they merged with the Kingdom of Poland and converted to christianity in 1386. Deprived of pagans to fight against, a slow but relentless decline began for the Teutonic Order, which was also soundly defeated by the Polish-Lithuanians in the battle of Grunwald/Tannenberg/Zalgris in 1410.


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Gustavhistory [2021-08-04 19:21:42 +0000 UTC]

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Orphydian [2021-02-04 14:25:57 +0000 UTC]

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FritzVicari In reply to Orphydian [2021-02-04 21:45:39 +0000 UTC]

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Orphydian In reply to FritzVicari [2021-02-04 21:53:40 +0000 UTC]

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MarysMirages [2020-09-26 15:40:00 +0000 UTC]

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BricksandStones [2020-09-21 19:41:28 +0000 UTC]

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Hells33k3r In reply to BricksandStones [2020-10-01 15:31:00 +0000 UTC]

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FritzVicari In reply to BricksandStones [2020-09-22 20:57:40 +0000 UTC]

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PerseusSpartacus [2020-08-25 17:36:22 +0000 UTC]

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xhagast In reply to PerseusSpartacus [2024-09-11 13:05:29 +0000 UTC]

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Solar-Aurelian [2019-06-05 13:20:21 +0000 UTC]

Schubert comes to mind

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JaredtheFox92 [2019-01-28 17:14:07 +0000 UTC]

Brothers fighting brothers, very tragic. As a Christian myself I don't like these internal squabbles over faith, but history is history.

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Hells33k3r In reply to JaredtheFox92 [2020-04-16 09:36:08 +0000 UTC]

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whatkop [2019-01-21 12:46:24 +0000 UTC]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Why didn't the knights try to permanently subjugate the Lithuanians though, like they did to the Prussians? Lack of manpower? Lack of potential profit? Or were they afraid of spreading themselves too thin and vulnerable to the Rus'/Poles/Danish/Mongols/etc.?

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FritzVicari In reply to whatkop [2019-01-22 12:39:23 +0000 UTC]

Well, just consider how the Templars were wiped out by secular power - and the pope kicked out from Rome - at the beginning of the XIV century. Having a permanent holy war going on with hundreds of noblemen coming in and out every year was probably the more profitable thing. It justified the Order's existance and granted fame, wealth and a nice public image. Had they pushed to convert the Lithuanians they would have probably got what they had in 1385, just earlier. Christiansen states that these late wars were not really about conversions anymore.

There's probably a more complex answer to your question, so take what I said (it comes mostly from my memory) with a pinch of salt.

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whatkop In reply to FritzVicari [2019-01-22 17:58:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh, I see, so it's like hunting tourism, but with pagans instead of endangered animals (apart from the public image thing). Of course, of course.

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Libra1010 [2019-01-19 14:06:55 +0000 UTC]

 Serve those Imperialist Cavaliers QUITE right too, as beautifully illustrated by this piece - bad enough when the Knights wanted converts, still worse when they were merely seeking their own advancement. 

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vonklerks [2019-01-16 19:46:44 +0000 UTC]

I alway's thought it was christian's vs orthodox christians for some reason.
I can't remember where I first heard this

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FritzVicari In reply to vonklerks [2019-01-17 09:11:48 +0000 UTC]

Well, there were indeed several conflicts between catholic and orthodox christians, alongside the conflicts with the pagans.

The conflict between the Teutonic Order and the orthodox russian principalities, Pskov and Novgorod for the most part, was indeed made particularly famous by the classic 1938 movie Aleksandr Nevskij by soviet director Eisenstein (and an epic soundtrack by Prokofiev).

Spoiler from the most memorable scene:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZPgG…

The movie had a great part into turning the relatively minor 1242 "Battle of the Ice" into one of the most famous episodes in the whole Teutonic Order's history, both in eastern and western Europe.
Although the battle and the events of the movie happened in 1242, rivalries between catholic and orthodox christians often turned into conflict, even well into the XIV century. 

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vonklerks In reply to FritzVicari [2019-01-17 15:48:08 +0000 UTC]

Yea now I remember where I got it from

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Kellkrull87 [2019-01-16 18:31:45 +0000 UTC]

  

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LeuAlex [2019-01-16 17:45:42 +0000 UTC]

cool 

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FritzVicari In reply to LeuAlex [2019-01-17 08:37:30 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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