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So, a recent secret on Fandom!Secrets sort of inspired me to draw Randall here. He was one of my brief cartoon crushes back when Monsters Inc. first came out, and I still think he's awesome today.LIGHT(ish) RANT AHEAD: DON'T READ IF YOU JUST WANT TO ENJOY THE PRETTY PICTURES!!
Anyway, I had known for a while that Randall had quite a few fans. What I didn't know was that there was a fairly big debate between them as to whether Randall was really a villain or not. Personally, I think the guy's a pretty big jerk, but that's just me. I wouldn't say he's pure evil, but I just don't see him as the victim in any way. And as for him possibly reforming...well...MAYBE that could happen...but to be honest, I wouldn't want it to. I mean, if Randall reformed, would he really be the same character? I just don't think he would have the same charm he has now, and besides, anyone who knows me knows I'm a sucker for villains.
I realize him reforming would be impossible in the prequel since, well, it happens before the first movie, but even if it were a sequel, I personally wouldn't want to see him reformed. Not to mention that I have a feeling he wouldn't even be IN a sequel at all.
There also seems to be a lot of hate for Mike and Sully from Randall fans, which I also don't get. I mean, sure they banished Randall, but what did you expect them to do? I'd say compared to the fate of a lot of Pixar villains, he was lucky to get off so easy. Honestly, though, you've gotta be able to separate yourself a little from the characters. I mean, I have a huge thing for Hook from Peter Pan and the Pirates, Vector from Despicable Me, and Quackerjack from Darkwing Duck, but you don't see me trashing Peter, Gru, or Darkwing just because they do bad things to the villains I like. And yes, all three of those villains are at least as sympathetic as Randall is.
Anyway, sorry about the unwarranted rant, but that's just my two cents on the subject. Enjoy creepin' Randall in the meantime!
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Nice pic! Who knew he can stand on two legs?
Ugh! I know how you feel when it comes to the MI/MU fandom! There a lots of people who treat him as "not evil" and they even defend him while hating Mike and Sulley! (There's this one guy who's a big defender to him, but I'm not gonna say his name. I really hope he doesn't comment on my Randall drawings!) And I find that really annoying.
I think this guy was an ambitious jerk. Look at all the things he did to Mike, Sulley, and Boo! I think he deserved to be banished! (Yet I still feel sympathy to him when he got beaten.) And I guess it's less likely for him to redeem himself too.
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Good picture
As for Randall reforming I believe he could still be a grumpy jerk like Iago from Aladdin if reformation did happen.
I do like the guy I'm not a big fan though I think he's kind of hot and I've always liked jerk cartoons for whatever reason. I also like Mike and Sully. In MU I loved Mike. I also believe Randall is responsible for his actions he didn't have to work on the scream extractor or try to kill Sully when ordered by Waternoose. It's like you're holding a gun and being told too shoot someone by someone else. In the end if you pull the trigger that was your choice and too bad for Randy he made wrong choices.
I do like that Randall caught Boo when Sully dropped her that would have ended nasty for her.
Anyway I'm fine either way if Randy reforms or not but it would be cool if he was friends with Mike again as I'm a sucker for enemys being friends Plankton/Krabs.
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Yeah, my thoughts on it now are a bit different from when I drew this. I think he could be reformed, so long as they don't change his personality. Still, after the new movie, the prominence of overzealous fans who think he's the victim is growing more and more. And while it might be nice to see him reformed in some way, there's a tiny part of me that would enjoy the uproar from said fans if it were confirmed that he remained the bad guy.
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He should have kept those classes they made him so cuddly.
I just saw MI and I adore Randall as a creepy scary bad guy his invisibility
chills me. I looked over certain parts that said he was good as in he caught Boo from falling when Sully dropped him, that never happened he grabbed her from beneath Sully. The only good I saw was him keeping Boo from tilting out of his arms to what would have been a nasty drop.
That would be amusing. I wouldn't mind if he and Mike became friends since MU but I don't see that happening.
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I'm a huge Randall fan, yet I have to agree with you.
Is Randall an innocent victim? No, I don't think so.
Is he pure evil? No, I don't think so either.
Should he reform in a sequel? Welllll...if they give him a good reason to reform, but still keep his sarcastic and jerkass personality, then I might be all right with that.
I also don't get the whole hatred against Mike and Sulley either. It seems like in every fandom you either have to love the villain and hate the good guys or vice versa.
Can't I love both sides?
Anyway, sorry for the little rant.
Love Randall, yet I can do without a few of the fans.
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Yeah, definitely. The majority of my favorite characters are like this, and most of the fandoms for said characters understand that. I think it's a loud minority that actually think this about Randall (at least the one's who are militant about it), but I don't understand why people can't just be happy liking the villain. I've been so used to liking villains that it boggles my mind when I see people who don't want to admit to liking one. Villains are the best!
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Yeah, I tend to like villains as well.
That is as long as the fans aren't so militant about them, then it tends to annoy me.
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Looked at what had inspired you to make this. I can't help but notice how UNrepresentative its message is of typical Randall fans; there's only one or two people that the rant gets even CLOSE to nailing out of lots who speak on the internet at all.
Where my beliefs are concerned, I find it disturbing, to say the least, how many times I need to say that I don't think he's a saint just because I don't think he's a villain. I personally view him as merely a shade of grey, which is NOT pure good or pure evil.
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Don't worry, I do know that not all people who think Randall wasn't a villain are militant about it. Sadly, though, the minority can often speak the loudest, so that was what I was reacting to.
I also know you guys don't think he's a "saint", but there are plenty of villains that are a shade of grey and aren't pure evil. In fact, the majority of realistic villains aren't pure evil at all. Maybe we just have different definitions of what a villain is, but I've never taken it to mean that a person is all bad. That's what makes villains so interesting.
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Indeed; a certain two people really talk too much for the rest of us Randall fans.
Well, my definition of a villain is someone who IS evil. Anyone else, such as Randall, would fall under an antagonist for me.
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Yeah, there are some like that in most every fandom, I think. I don't know, though, if you count only the pure evil ones as villains, there really isn't a lot of media that actually has a villain. To be honest, the majority of the time, the ones that are pure evil aren't as interesting to me, I guess with the possible exception of the Joker.
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Certainly hope you're right. Don't know, as I'm not as big in other fandoms.
Fair enough.
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Also, while I admit I once harbored hatred for Mike and Sulley, I have since grown up while still being a huge Randall fan.
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Yeah, I can see it that way too.
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I have to agree with you on this, as much as a Randall fan I am and how I hope he IS reformed, I do not think he was a misunderstood saint, or thought this was racial towards reptiles at all! Despite all the evidence the extreme Randall fans give, they miss the fact that Monsters Inc was a cartoon/kids movie. They treat it like it was an adult movie or something, even though their evidence is very true at some points, it is not in others because I dont think a kids movie would be that in dept. Bottom line, I agree with you. Even though I hope he is reformed.
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Exactly, and to be honest, even if it were directed at adults, I still don't think the evidence holds up, at least not in canon. If Randall were intended to be a victim of circumstance, you wouldn't have to look so hard for the evidence. I mean, I understand subtlety, but to say that Randall had such a bad history, was discriminated against, and had a good reason for doing what he did, there's just no SOLID evidence of it. I especially don't get the "racial discrimination" bit, though. I don't recall anyone treating Randall badly in the beginning of the movie aside from Mike. They even all gathered around to congratulate him when they thought he had beaten the scare record. Doesn't sound like they're "racist" to me.
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This is awesome. : D I love the movement of this. Randall was a really great villain, haha.
Out of curiosity, what was the secret?
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Thanks! Yes, he was an awesome villain.
Here's the post. [link] It's number 17. Lol! I also forgot to mention the racial discrimination crap. I think I heard someone argue that Mike calling him "lizard boy" or something was a racial slur, but if I recall, Randall also called Mike a "one eyed cretin", so even if you wanna call it that, it goes both ways.
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Haha. That's ridiculous, the racial discrimination stuff. And you have a really good point about him calling Mike names, too! But I guess that people's like for a character can... cloud their judgement, I guess? I know it has for me before!
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Yeah, I remember thinking about Snape in a similar way. Ah, my Snape fangirl days; so lucky I didn't post on the interwebs back then. Although, I didn't get POed when someone else thought he was pure evil. To be honest, even if he had turned out evil, it wouldn't have made me like him any less.
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Haha, ohman. Yeah. There are a lot of reasons I'm glad I wasn't on the internet in my super-hyper fangirl days, haha.
And yeah, I would agree.
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It's so much fun to think back on all the old fanfiction I did, both for Harry Potter and for others. So many jokes stolen from movies, ultra mushy, OOC love scenes, and extreme-sparkly-catgirl/dragongirl/some other special snowflake hybrid Sues. Oh, early-2000s me, you were such a mess...
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Oh man, I know! 
I was hugely guilty of describing, in perfect detail, what my OCs were wearing. Every time they made a costume change? Time for another paragraph!
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Lol! I had kept a lot of my old fanfiction for a long time, but I eventually threw it out so no one would find it. Pretty sure I did the same with my OCs as well. I would also take a canon character and change them so that they were more like me. I remember doing this to both Hermione, Gaz from Invader Zim, and Sally from the Nightmare Before Christmas. It also usually involved them having some kind of special power, or being half some type of animal, which was, of course, never explained. Pretty sure it was nearing My Immortal territory.
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Haha, I love keeping mine so that I can go back and read it after a couple years.
But ohman, I never intentionally changed them, but they were definitely not anything like they are in canon.
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I think I might have been a closet furry or something at that age and that's why they all had to be part animal. Don't know. I guess it was a tiny bit better than making an OC and having the canon love interest of whatever character I had a crush on turn into an OOC jealous bitch or something. I honestly think I've never pulled one of those before. Surprising!
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Hahaha, I was so a closet furry. I think that's why I made so many human!Hamtaro OCs haha.
But oh no, I was so guilty of having the canon love interest turn all OOC jealous and stuff. I was just terrible at that. D: I remember an Advent Children fic I wrote where all three of the Silver Haired Men were fighting over my OC, hahaha (Who then ended up with Rufus)
OH THE MEMORIES.
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Oh, I made people fight over my OCs, I just never made, say, Sally jealous of an OC because she gets with Jack.
I'm pretty sure in my HP fanfiction I at some point had both Lucius and Lockhart going after her. The weird thing is, I don't know why I found it fun to write this stuff. There was no plot to speak of and I always lost interest once my OC got with Snape.
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Aww, I see.
Haha, Lockhart! I loved him!
And oh man, yeah, I always lost interest once they got together.
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I think I lost interest because the relationship always ended up so generic and bland. Definitely not the kind of relationship Snape would actually have if he got together with someone.
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And the fact that then all the glorious UST was gone and I had no idea how to keep it interesting after that!
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Yeah, I think that was my problem too. Plus, it always had no plot otherwise, so there was nowhere to go from there.
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I saw the same secret, and let me tell you... I've seen way too many fanfics written by Randall fanatics, ones giving him the most OOC reasons for his actions in the movie, like trying to raise money for a sick relative, or that he grew up in a broken household and that made him turn bad. After seeing that secret, I kind of see how weird it all is now. In fact, scratch that, it's super-weird.
Me personally, I had a crush on Sulley (and kind of still do), but Randall is quite charming himself in his own twisted way. As far as seeing Randall reform in a sequel, I don't think I'd mind so long as they gave a damn good reason for it, and that it's done slowly and naturally so that he only starts to show signs of goodness towards the end. If he were to suddenly pop out of nowhere and be a goody-two-shoes for some outrageous reason, my inner writer would rage like a mofo.
And indeed, Randall did get off easy in the end compared to other villains. Most Disney and/or Pixar villains end up dead! I wish they would have, for once, a villain who turns good in the end and not just have him or her be pure evil throughout. But let's face it, that sort of thing seems to only happen in non-Disney/Pixar films (i.e., Despicable Me, Megamind).
Ahem... anyway, that's a kick-ass drawing you got there! 
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Thanks!
Yeah, the only way I can see Randall turning "good" (and I use the term loosely) would be if he was still a douche about it. He just wouldn't be Randall if he acted nice to people. Even with Megamind and Gru, there was still that slight mischievousness to them even after they had a change of heart. I guess it could be done, but, like everything else, it would have to be done right.
I just wonder if there's a hub for Randall fans that like him as a villain. He just seems so much more fun that way.
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According to the comments on that secret, there are a few others who like his villainous ways. But as to specific communities or sites... NOPE. Just sympathizers left and right.
I admit, I watch one of Randall's big name sympathizers here on DA, and I respect this person a lot. But now people are making her sound creepy, and that makes me sad.
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Gah! There needs to be a "villain!Randall" community or something.
I mean, it's none of my business if someone wants to portray him as a good guy, but when someone is told they just aren't reading between the lines or aren't smart enough to see the good in him, and that your view on the character is somehow inferior if you think he's evil, it puts me off a bit. Yes, Pixar tends to have stories that can be looked at more deeply, but a lot of these particular arguments seem really far reaching. Sure some of the things I've seen mentioned are possibilities, but you have to remember that there is a difference between how reality works and how a movie's plot is put together. If Randall were not intended to be a villain, you wouldn't have to look into it THAT far to be able to see it.
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That is very true. Unless a film is trying to send a specific message, the whole good-guy bad-guy thing is very black and white, especially in children's films.
Example of black and white: Randall. He's a villain for no reason other than pure jealousy against Sulley, jealousy that drives him to the point of him being a total asshole and possibly insane. The purpose of Randall being this way is to give the movie a ruthless villain, nothing more, nothing less.
Example of a gray area: Vector. He's a villain because his dad influenced him to be that way, and he wanted to earn his approval. The reason the movie bothered to reveal this detail is not only because having Vector working for Mr. Perkins BECAUSE THEY'RE RELATED a big twist, the whole theme of "Despicable Me" is family, and how parenting can have a big affect on someone's life; bad guy, good guy, it doesn't matter.
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Yeah, definitely. If there had been some back story given on Randall that was similar to this, I might buy that he's not such a villain, but as it is, it takes a lot of assuming to come to that conclusion.
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And you know what happens when you assume, right?
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"...there was a fairly big debate between them as to whether Randall was really a villain or not. Personally, I think the guy's a pretty big jerk, but that's just me. I wouldn't say he's pure evil, but I just don't see him as the victim in any way. And as for him possibly reforming...well...MAYBE that could happen...but to be honest, I wouldn't want it to. I mean, if Randall reformed, would he really be the same character? I just don't think he would have the same charm he has now..."
Dude this is why I compare him to Vector.
Also, yay Randall! Purple lizard villain = Epic win.
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Exactly. Randall is a lot like Vector in that way.
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In a lot of ways really. He's mainly against the protagonist because he wants to stay number one and be appreciated by people. He also kidnapped a child. >>
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And he was being controlled to some extent by a corporate asshole.
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Lol! True. I think Vector was in an even worse position there since that "corporate asshole" was his own father.
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