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Meeoooow [2018-07-04 15:09:32 +0000 UTC]
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAAJAJAJAJAAJAJ
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FoolytheCat [2017-08-22 00:08:14 +0000 UTC]
Jesus is NOT a Magician,He is the Son Of God.
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Randomstuff-Stuff [2016-12-03 17:06:10 +0000 UTC]
I like to think bar tricks.
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AsahiGirl [2015-12-28 13:07:02 +0000 UTC]
What I thought as a child. XD
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NickyVendetta [2014-06-01 18:53:56 +0000 UTC]
Jesus was magic
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Aneirasilvermoon [2013-06-27 05:29:04 +0000 UTC]
He was the best fiction antagonist ever, too.
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remusyoshi In reply to Aneirasilvermoon [2014-06-09 01:04:16 +0000 UTC]
And the best protagonist and antagonist in some off the madness combat videos
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VonRabenherz In reply to Nocturne00 [2014-10-17 08:28:52 +0000 UTC]
He was one of my all-time favorite fictional characters.
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VonRabenherz In reply to Nocturne00 [2014-10-18 09:10:48 +0000 UTC]
In religion, you mean. The actual historicity of his person is widely disputed. And no thanks ^^
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VonRabenherz In reply to Nocturne00 [2014-10-19 18:49:33 +0000 UTC]
Ah, but you see, all of our combined knowledge is basically built upon educated men's opinions. To deny that is to deny reality. Not that you christians generally have a problem with denying reality, but you know what I mean.
So ... you actually believe in talking snakes and donkeys and the fact that the earth was at one point in time flat, topped by a celestial dome that held out the water, rested on pillars and had four corners? Because that's what the bible says. Among other things.
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Nocturne00 In reply to VonRabenherz [2014-10-20 00:49:15 +0000 UTC]
Nope. I don’t deny reality. I certainly don't think I'm living in a simulation. However, when it comes to understanding the nature of God, His Word, and His ways ... no, mankind's opinions don't matter because man is cursed by sin, flawed. Furthermore, apart from salvation, it’s simply impossible to comprehend anything about God.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor. 2:14)
His ways are not our ways. Man’s logic does not apply.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)
Yes, I believe that Satan manipulated the snake and God spoke through the donkey. However, I've never heard of that dome theory until you brought it up. Though, after looking it up, I can tell you that the Bible does not teach it. It actually originates from the reasoning of misguided men who have interpreted certain passages of Scripture out of their original context. This site here tackles the matter as well as those passages used for the dome theory in greater detail: www.godandscience.org/apologet….
I’ll end with this since there really isn't anything more I have to say. Understanding comes through faith in Jesus Christ, the confession and repentance of sins, and the belief in His atoning work on the Cross (John 3:16). No amount of human reason or speculation will give you any answers. It simply can’t. You either believe the Truth presented in the Bible or you don’t (and face eternal separation from Him in Hell). There’s no other way to put it.
I leave you in God’s hands. That’s all I can do now.
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VonRabenherz In reply to Nocturne00 [2014-10-20 13:24:33 +0000 UTC]
You see, not denying reality and living in a simulation are not the only two options - that's a false dichotomy.
You claim that "man's opinion doesn't really matter to [you]". Man's opinion, however, is the base of all interpretations of man's observance of reality. Denying one is denying the other.
For instance, since you seem to believe in the literal bible chances are you're a creationist, am I correct? (If not, feel free to correct me and ignore the following paragraph)
Now, creationism is a philosophy that completely and utterly disregards what we know about reality, while making claims (age of the earth, great flood, you get the idea) that are incompatible with reality.
By observing reality and working with those observations (really simplified, but essentially, that's science) we arrive at certain conclusions about the world. Among those conclusions are ways it could have come into existence, ways different species have evolved, all of that good stuff.
In being a creationist, you by definition disregard any and all evidence for those processes, should they contradict scripture in any way (creationist organizations outright state this in "statements of faith"). That evidence you disregard, though, is founded upon reality. Denying it means, again, denying reality - in favor of bronze-age fairytales.
"man is cursed by sin, flawed."
Speak for yourself, I certainly am not. There is no such thing as "sin".
"it’s simply impossible to comprehend anything about God."
Then how do you christians always claim to know so much about your "god"? For that matter, how do you know that your "god" is not actually Odin? Or Zeus? Or Allah?
How do you know the bible is not a big lie inspired by a god that is a liar and finds great enjoyment in leading people by their noses? Can you honestly claim to know this is not the truth? And if you now say yes, does that not contradict your above statement?
"His ways are not our ways. Man’s logic does not apply."
There is no "man's logic". There is only logic, and logic always applies. That's inherent in its definition.
If your "god" was something logic does not apply to, it might as well not exist for all the good it would ever do us. All you're doing is attempting to make your position unfalsifiable. By that, you also make it highly unlikely and nonsensical to the point of utter ridiculousness.
The dome thing was only one of many contradictions in the bible. Picked it just because it came to mind first. Explain it away, make excuses if you will. Here's a choice list of other contradictions you'd have to explain away as well: infidels.org/library/modern/ji…
Here's a very interesting interactive website showing you every contradiction found in the bible, as well as some other interesting statistics like instances of scientific inaccuracies/absurdities, misogyny, violence, discrimination and racism ... you get the idea: bibviz.com/
Hell, you could even look it up on wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal…
If you honestly believe and endorse all that, I guess all that's left for me to do is to pity you.
No, understanding comes through rational interpretation of the observance of reality. See, I have employed human reason plenty of times now, and every single time it has given me answers that your religion could not provide.
And hey, playing on Pascale's wager, what if I'm wrong and "face eternal separation from Him in Hell"? Doesn't sound too bad to me, since your "god" doesn't exactly sound like a pleasant character to be around in the first place.
Besides, who's to say that your religion is correct and all the countless other ones are false in the first place? For all I know I'll go to Valhalla after I die, to drink, eat, party and fuck with Odin and the gang for all eternity (provided I die with a sword in my hand, of course, but since I own a few, I think I got that covered). Sounds like a much better afterlife than eternally praising the great celestial dictator and hanging around with all the stuck-up christians in heaven anyway.
One thing, though:
"misguided men who have interpreted certain passages of Scripture out of their original context"
So ... why do you throw individual bible verses at me without their original context, again?
Oh, and I'm not in anyone's hands but my own. I shape my own destiny, thankyouverymuch.
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Nocturne00 In reply to VonRabenherz [2014-10-20 00:48:14 +0000 UTC]
Nope. I don’t deny reality. I certainly don't think I'm living in a simulation. However, when it comes to understanding the nature of God, His Word, and His ways ... no, mankind's opinions don't matter because man is cursed by sin, flawed. Furthermore, apart from salvation, it’s simply impossible to comprehend anything about God.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor. 2:14)
His ways are not our ways. Man’s logic does not apply.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)
Yes, I believe that Satan manipulated the snake and God spoke through the donkey. However, I've never heard of that dome theory until you brought it up. Though, after looking it up, I can tell you that the Bible does not teach it. It actually originates from the reasoning of misguided men who have interpreted certain passages of Scripture out of their original context. This site here tackles the matter as well as those passages used for the dome theory in greater detail: www.godandscience.org/apologet….
I’ll end with this since there really isn't anything more I have to say. Understanding comes through faith in Jesus Christ, the confession and repentance of sins, and the belief in His atoning work on the Cross (John 3:16). No amount of human reason or speculation will give you any answers. It simply can’t. You either believe the Truth presented in the Bible or you don’t (and face eternal separation from Him in Hell). There’s no other way to put it.
I leave you in God’s hands. That’s all I can do now.
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Nocturne00 In reply to VonRabenherz [2014-10-20 00:46:45 +0000 UTC]
Nope. I don’t deny reality. I certainly don't think I'm living in a simulation. However, when it comes to understanding the nature of God, His Word, and His ways ... no, mankind's opinions don't matter because man is cursed by sin, flawed. Furthermore, apart from salvation, it’s simply impossible to comprehend anything about God.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor. 2:14)
His ways are not our ways. Man’s logic does not apply.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)
Yes, I believe that Satan manipulated the snake and God spoke through the donkey. However, I've never heard of that dome theory until you brought it up. Though, after looking it up, I can tell you that the Bible does not teach it. It actually originates from the reasoning of misguided men who have interpreted certain passages of Scripture out of their original context. This site here tackles the matter as well as those passages used for the dome theory in greater detail: www.godandscience.org/apologet….
I’ll end with this since there really isn't anything more I have to say. Understanding comes through faith in Jesus Christ, the confession and repentance of sins, and the belief in His atoning work on the Cross (John 3:16). No amount of human reason or speculation will give you any answers. It simply can’t. You either believe the Truth presented in the Bible or you don’t (and face eternal separation from Him in Hell). There’s no other way to put it.
I leave you in God’s hands. That’s all I can do now.
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Nocturne00 In reply to VonRabenherz [2014-10-20 00:46:17 +0000 UTC]
Nope. I don’t deny reality. I certainly don't think I'm living in a simulation. However, when it comes to understanding the nature of God, His Word, and His ways ... no, mankind's opinions don't matter because man is cursed by sin, flawed. Furthermore, apart from salvation, it’s simply impossible to comprehend anything about God.
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Cor. 2:14)
His ways are not our ways. Man’s logic does not apply.
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” (Isaiah 55:8-9)
Yes, I believe that Satan manipulated the snake and God spoke through the donkey. However, I've never heard of that dome theory until you brought it up. Though, after looking it up, I can tell you that the Bible does not teach it. It actually originates from the reasoning of misguided men who have interpreted certain passages of Scripture out of their original context. This site here tackles the matter as well as those passages used for the dome theory in greater detail: www.godandscience.org/apologet….
I’ll end with this since there really isn't anything more I have to say. Understanding comes through faith in Jesus Christ, the confession and repentance of sins, and the belief in His atoning work on the Cross (John 3:16). No amount of human reason or speculation will give you any answers. It simply can’t. You either believe the Truth presented in the Bible or you don’t (and face eternal separation from Him in Hell). There’s no other way to put it.
I leave you in God’s hands. That’s all I can do now.
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BTIsaac [2013-02-18 20:42:48 +0000 UTC]
He was? Holy shit, this totally changes everything. I need to rethink my point of view completely.
All this time I was under the impression that he was a rabbi who who was so popular and respected, that people attributed a number of supernatural feats to him to accentuate what an extraordinary person he was.
To think he was an actual magician!
What?
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Jabber-Wock [2012-08-16 21:19:56 +0000 UTC]
Well, when you have God on your side, a miracle is a simple matter of asking.
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CommandirBalalaika In reply to Jabber-Wock [2013-04-22 08:42:22 +0000 UTC]
What about the millions of faithful over the years, that have asked, begged and pleaded to god for help, and no help came?
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Jabber-Wock In reply to CommandirBalalaika [2013-04-23 03:45:08 +0000 UTC]
That...is an excellent question. I'll see what I can do.
Sin effects not only the sinner but those around him. A man murdered did not deserve to die, and yet he is dead. A rapist may scar children for life, but it is not the children's fault. There are other powers besides God in this world, and they deserve attention.
Why not simply eradicate these powers? Simple: they are within us. To truly destroy evil, we must perish along with it, and God so loved the world he gave his one and only son so that wouldn't have to happen. God isn't about making our lives easy, he's about giving us another chance to live with him in heaven, giving us a way to fight the evil in our hearts.
I hope I explained that in a way that made sense. These are the kinds of questions that deserve more attention from Christians.
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CommandirBalalaika In reply to Jabber-Wock [2013-04-23 04:45:52 +0000 UTC]
He created us, knowing full well how we would turn out and do, and he had the powers to prevent it entirely, but chose not to. Why is that?
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Jabber-Wock In reply to CommandirBalalaika [2013-04-23 19:58:24 +0000 UTC]
Because the other options would be to either not make us or take away our free will. To have loved and lost is better than having never loved at all, and love freely given is the only kind worth having.
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VonRabenherz In reply to Jabber-Wock [2014-10-17 08:34:48 +0000 UTC]
That's a false dichotomy, actually. Even I, a mere, lowly, mortal human, could think up several other options and alternatives to the two you mention. And you're telling me that an eternal, omnipotent, omniscient being could not? Unlikely.
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Aneirasilvermoon In reply to Jabber-Wock [2013-06-27 05:34:41 +0000 UTC]
So he gives you free will, and then punishes you when you use what he has given you in a way that doesn't agree with his rules despite the fact that he has planned out every second of our life in advance? Why does God constantly get angry when he knows what's going to happen? He is getting angry at himself. According to the bible if you repent and pray to God even if you have sinned he will answer. Since everyone is born with original sin according to the bible, you have to ask him for forgiveness and he will forgive you. If you are on God's side and have begged him for forgiveness and he still does not answer you...What is his excuse? You did everything that a jealous, egotistical, insecure God could ever ask to reassure him that he has complete control over your life and he still won't give you a moment to help you? What's wrong with this picture?
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Jabber-Wock In reply to Aneirasilvermoon [2013-06-29 06:00:30 +0000 UTC]
Wait, what? "Planned out every second of our lives"? Kind of defeats the purpose of free will, if you ask me.
God is indeed a jealous God. Thanks for noticing the very thing stated EVERYWHERE in the Bible. As for egotistical and insecure, well, how would you feel if the people YOU created and loved with all your heart turned away from you and started worshipping statues? God is frequently described as a father, with us as his children. It breaks his heart to see us sin, because it means we are doomed to be forever apart from him. Or at least, it was that way. Jesus fixed that.
"As for God, his way is perfect: The LORD's word is flawless; he shields all who take refuge in him." -Psalm 18:30
I think the thing about God shielding us doesn't mean life will be easy. It never is. It means that, no matter what life throws at us, through Him we can help others in life and live with Him forever after death.
A major point in the Bible is that if you ask for forgiveness and repent, God WILL answer. It may not be instantaneous, or in a way you'll expect, but he will.
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Aneirasilvermoon In reply to Jabber-Wock [2013-06-29 06:40:36 +0000 UTC]
God is fully responsible for the action of his creations as he created them to do and make every choice that they do. Jealousy is a sign of insecurity and bloated ego. Yes, the Christian God is jealous. Jealousy, as you may have learned in life, is immature and gets nothing done. If God didn't want humans to make decisions with their "free will" than he shouldn't have handed it out in the first place. You can't give someone the right to make a decision and then constantly get angry when they use the options you gave them. If God doesn't want people to be people perhaps he should kill us all and start over again. He already did it once. Right? Just slaughter us all and start over. It wouldn't be the first time. Since we all have "original sin" I refuse to be guilty for being born. I did not choose to be born. I will not feel guilt for the free will I have. I was born to use it to my full potential and let me tell you my morals/standards have shown up higher than half of the Christians I know. If you want to feel guilty for being alive why aren't you dead already? I do not need to be forgiven when I have done no wrong. I am not Christian and what you say to me only enforces the idea as to why I dropped Christianity in the first place. When I stopped feeling guilty for being born I felt happy for the first time in my life. These have been the happiest years of my life since I found who I am. I'm not determined to convert people. I'm not determined to go out and tell you that you specifically are "evil" for following your religion. I am simply saying that I refuse to be the slave of a God who has an ego so big he gets angry when you don't constantly beg like you're worthless. I'm not worthless, I'm not the weak person that the bible seems to tell me I am. I am pleased with the blossom I have grown to be and I will continue to do so for the rest of my life. I cannot tell you not to be Christian, but I can tell you why I disagree and why I chose to find the path that was right for me. I also don't tolerate pro-rape, slavery, genocide, or sexism as seen here:
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. (1 Timothy 2:12)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
PS. If you gave people the right to "worship statues" you shouldn't be angry when they make that decision. Not everyone is going to agree with you and if you shun your children for being different from you you're a very distant/cold father. Your children are unique and if you truly believe that you love them all you would love them no matter what path they take. You would support them no matter what they believe. FYI those people you're talking about Non-Christians or "Pagans" aren't worshipping statues. Most religions do not consist of worshipping physical objects. Most Pagan religions worship 1 or more deities and the statues represent their deities or what they look like. Most people kneel before their crosses or show some form of worshipping respect to statues that represent God or Jesus. They aren't worshipping the statue, they're worshipping what that statue represents. I don't worship the statues or symbols of my religion, but I do bow in respect or kiss them out of my respect. I respect what and who they are. I'm sure you can understand this.
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CommandirBalalaika In reply to Jabber-Wock [2013-04-24 10:56:49 +0000 UTC]
Not at all. He could still create us, but without the possibility of sinning behavior. That way, since we aren't capable of it from the start, it doesn't mess with our free will. Aside from that, god could also just get rid of what would be considered sinful. For example, if homosexuality is sinful, he could simply will that desire out of existence.
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MinZki [2012-05-29 14:49:37 +0000 UTC]
Now everything makes sense!
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RGB64 [2011-11-20 20:35:02 +0000 UTC]
"The water is now wine. Does your city have wine? I don't think so."
*Old Spice Whistle*
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SonicWolvelina99 [2011-11-09 18:23:29 +0000 UTC]
Wait, wait, Jesus was a MAGICIAN?! Now everything makes sense.
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Spiritlycana [2011-08-07 17:15:01 +0000 UTC]
I love you
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THX1085 [2011-08-02 03:25:38 +0000 UTC]
miracles>magic
but hey this stamp makes me laugh
a very good laugh
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Aneirasilvermoon In reply to THX1085 [2013-06-27 05:38:17 +0000 UTC]
Miracles are magic tricks. Universal energy is magic. I know you're probably referring to the card trick magic. I'm talking about the spiritual definition of magic.
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