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big-game-forever In reply to eternalparadise [2016-10-03 00:09:59 +0000 UTC]

awww are you gonna cry?

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Fonmatter In reply to Fonmatter [2013-04-27 07:14:25 +0000 UTC]

PS: I'm sorta kidding, but killing things isn't that good unless you really need food.

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Mitzi-Mutt In reply to Nex-Dominus [2012-11-26 23:11:03 +0000 UTC]

plants are living, they have cells and must do what an animal must do to survive.

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sulfide In reply to tarbano [2012-02-23 08:22:13 +0000 UTC]

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Northern-Malagon In reply to wolfforce58 [2012-08-22 17:58:35 +0000 UTC]

so wait... how is that bad? There are plenty of animal lovers that do not like hunting such as that, that eat meat all the time >.> Most of those eat cattle and such.

And truthfully it is true...To a point. Cattle and horses are not native to the western areas so.... technically they are putting something that cant protect its self properly in the way of hungry predators, what ever that predator may be. If your going to have a non native species it is your job to put forth the money to properly maintain and protect those animals. This dose not mean a two lined wire fence.

Not agreeing with those people at all considering im for hunting a wolf if the population needs it, just pointing out some times people are not always incorrect, just have an incorrect way of saying something.

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wolfforce58 In reply to Northern-Malagon [2012-08-22 21:32:19 +0000 UTC]

It's because they are benefiting directly from the farmers who they are criticizing for protecting the very same product (the cow/beef, or whatever other livestock) that these people enjoy. So, they're damning a farmer for shooting a wolf to protect their herd, but if meat suddenly left the market I'm pretty sure they'd be pissed about it (I know I would be, lol, though I buy local and wolf predation isn't a problem in California).

And then just meat eating in general it kind of bugs me when people are against hunting but gladly buy meat from the market. Predator hunting is done a lot to protect other hunting (some populations really do need control to prevent their own demise or ruin the populations of other animals, but a good amount of predator control seems to be done to leave enough game for hunters). Sustenance hunting, or hell, anyone who will go hunt instead of buy from a market has more right to eat their meat in my opinion. They earned it. Other people, like me, we're living our cushy lifestyles removed from our food sources and don't understand concepts like competition or not being able to bring home food as personally as someone who has to work for their food would. To insult a rancher who provides your food especially ranks low in my book

True: it is the rancher's job to protect their herd....but part of that could very well be through killing off pests or competition, just like the removal and usually death of any seriously diseased member of the rancher's herd would be in order to protect the rest of the herd...or like me putting out traps and killing ants in my apartment to protect my food. Fences won't keep out all or even most predators, and maintaining high-quality fences isn't always feasible in a farmer's budget when they're already living in debt as it is, never mind the physical aspects of maintaining a fence that would be sufficient. Compound that with the fact that there are animals that can and will climb, dig, or otherwise mutilate a fence and you can see they aren't always the best solution. There's other tactics, like I've heard of using flags that are supposed to naturally deter wolves much like putting up shiny streamers is said to scare off birds (but I've watched streamers fail with birds, and wolves are smart, so I'm sure they'd catch on to the flags if they got hungry and would get over it). Then there's using large dogs as guardians, but they've been killed by wolves, and it could actually cause more territorial behaviors in wolves and lead to problems (of course, if the wolves thought the dog wasn't worth messing with, or that they couldn't take the dog on in a challenge for territory, then using dogs could work very well as a wolf deterrent). People can invest in more aggressive livestock that would be more likely to fight off an attacker, but then you've got an aggressive animal to deal with yourself. And man, then there's farmers who use public grazing areas, where they can't do things like have fences. There's a whole host of problems, so killing the problems that plague your herd is just one way they protect them properly. Of course, other methods should be put in place if the farmer can afford it (they should invest in more than just a simple barbed wire fence if they are in an area known to have predatory attacks on livestock).

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Northern-Malagon In reply to wolfforce58 [2012-08-23 02:59:02 +0000 UTC]

Oh that was a lot to read XD but I do agree with you You made some good statements. I just see killing should be taken as a last resort and not a snap to choice is all.

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wolfforce58 In reply to Northern-Malagon [2012-08-23 03:18:39 +0000 UTC]

Haha, sorry, I type a lot And I agree with that as well-it should be a last resort.

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hlemmur In reply to LittleMissAwesome [2012-02-23 00:06:27 +0000 UTC]

Thanks... fixing that!

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LittleMissAwesome In reply to hlemmur [2012-02-23 00:24:49 +0000 UTC]

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