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JanTuts In reply to Baconwaffles [2012-04-12 23:17:44 +0000 UTC]
As this started out as a practice in combining the AR and AK patterns into one realistic design, I must admit that originality wasn't my primary goal.
My initial freehand sketch actually had more original aspects though, but some of those were also less realistic, so I decided to abandon those in favour of realism.
I understand your concern of the optic being placed too far in the front, but this is actually a very common configuration, called a "scouting scope configuration".
It's used in situations where fast target acquisition and environmental awareness are vital, such as hunting/scouting, competition shooting and close quarters encounters. The main idea is that, with the optic placed further away from your eye, you eliminate the tunnel vision you'd normally get when using a scope.
You can easily see this in the design of specialised rifles such as the M1A Scout, which features a forward-set rail, specifically for this reason: [link]
Now, when it comes to my choice of the 5.7x42mm round:
As my design is based on the KAC PDW and AK-74u, I decided to take their average:
(5.56 + 5.45) / 2 = 5.5 and (45 + 39) / 2 = 42
However I didn't like the idea of using a round that was even smaller that the 5.56.
But then I realised I made a mistake: the KAC PDW is chambered in a 6mm round.
=> (6 + 5.45) / 2 = 5.725
Given that + me being Belgian and a big fan of FN... you can figure out the rest
I didn't really think it through back then and I didn't bother changing it now.
However, if I ever get around to design the "production model", it will most likely be chambered in something like 6.8 SPC after some "negative field tests".
PS:
Did you know that the idea of 6.5 and 6.8 rounds was based on a similar calculation:
(7.62 + 5.56) / 2 = 6.59
- 7.62 has great stopping power, but a low penetration
- 5.56 has good penetration, but a lousy stopping power
=> a 6.59 round should ,theoretically, have a decent penetration and stopping power.
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Baconwaffles In reply to JanTuts [2012-04-13 01:38:44 +0000 UTC]
I think overall the realism choice is the best choice, but that doesn't necessarily mean that weapons have to be based on ones that you'd find on the real world, or at least, not common or well known ones. Variation in the form while still being realistic is simpler if you think of the context, for example taking into account the country/faction that makes them and their battle doctrine.
But it's very tough, since it has to at least follow some conventions from real guns out of practical considerations so the compromise is probably the wise choice here.
I assumed from the view that the optic was on top, so I figured casings ejecting upwards would interfere with sighting since it was ahead of the ejection port, my mistake.
BTW, I heard it kinda differently. 7.62x51 has great penetration and delivers more energy, but the recoil makes it difficult to stay on target firing in burst or auto, plus the ammo is heavier so an infantryman can carry less. 5.56x45 is lighter and has a decent trajectory, but the bullet has less penetration and higher chance of deflection on light cover (lower propellant charge and less momentum from the reduced weight) and less stopping power (if it doesn't yaw or tumble on impact).
To the U.S. army, for modern light infantry tactics, light ammo meant better supression, so the tradeoff was acceptable. But the old 7.62 is still used in places where it isn't, like on vehicle machineguns, sniper or marksman weapons.
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Baconwaffles In reply to JanTuts [2012-04-13 04:30:12 +0000 UTC]
Ah it's semiauto. I just visualized a flow of casings just flying right in the middle of your line of sight to the optic during a burst. Sorry >.<
Yeah I just assumed it was 5.56 NATO and 7.62 NATO. It's actually happened before so I should stop doing that XD
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Baconwaffles In reply to JanTuts [2012-04-13 08:04:52 +0000 UTC]
Well, the AR-57 upper reciever mod for AR-15 pattern long arms could provide some ideas, if the adjustable bolt concept proves a bit complicated. Either way this looks like a pretty solid concept and I imagine the light weight, compact layout and low impulse round would make it a delight at the range if it were real. So kuddos.
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Rockethero15 [2018-08-23 04:20:50 +0000 UTC]
Tiny Assult Rifle :3
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6ninja [2016-10-14 03:33:22 +0000 UTC]
o _ o ( ooo! )
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EigoKensai [2014-04-13 17:49:28 +0000 UTC]
VS VAL crossed with an M4?
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Drouzen [2012-10-20 10:17:12 +0000 UTC]
I find it interesting, that you insult Pascal Eggert, who designs weapons for Crytek, and you're mashing pre-existing 2D images together.
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JanTuts In reply to Drouzen [2012-10-20 12:06:46 +0000 UTC]
Please first read the reply I left you over on iPeg's THOR A1 deviation .
After that, I'd like to add:
It doesn't really matter who someone is or where they work: if the design is bad, it's bad and it should be said.
I've seen many of those cases in mainstream games / movies / ...
But like I said in the other reply: this is clearly not the case for Pascal Eggert / iPeg.
PS: the above work is actually all drawn/painted, not a mashup of images.
And it surely isn't perfect, but I'm still a student.
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9MR-SELF-DESTRUCT [2012-08-17 06:36:56 +0000 UTC]
I love the simplicity of these designs. It clearly speak to the reliability and utility of these weapons. Personally, I would petition for a 7.62 variant, but otherwise very well composed and considered.
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9MR-SELF-DESTRUCT In reply to JanTuts [2012-08-28 22:29:00 +0000 UTC]
Haha. I do believe the price tag for that venture would be a little steep. Arguably worth it, though.
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96blackarrow [2012-04-20 01:54:04 +0000 UTC]
nice designs , I like
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ranisdeguery [2012-04-15 12:03:05 +0000 UTC]
This is some sort of PDW, right?
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JanTuts In reply to ranisdeguery [2012-04-15 19:16:06 +0000 UTC]
It can be used as a PDW, although it's primary role would be for use by people like SWAT or SAS.
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cityofthesouth [2012-04-15 04:00:31 +0000 UTC]
good lookin piece of kit
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cityofthesouth In reply to JanTuts [2012-04-15 16:22:26 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! This gun has some cool ideas and looks great.
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Lavey1917 [2012-04-14 15:09:20 +0000 UTC]
the best ak-M4 hybrid that I have ever seen
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Pyrotactick [2012-04-12 23:00:49 +0000 UTC]
Collapsible stalk idea is just sexy.
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Falafler [2012-04-12 19:09:33 +0000 UTC]
this reminds me of the security weapons from BRINK
great job, btw
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Seukonnen [2012-04-12 18:51:57 +0000 UTC]
Nice concept! I think it could use a touch more AK styling though; visually, you have to pay close attention and know what you're looking for, or else it's hard to distinguish this from any number of generic AR-based assault rifle concepts.
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parakitteh [2012-04-12 10:44:43 +0000 UTC]
This is gorgeous.
Receiver shape makes me think AEK-971, I really like it.
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