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kjeksomanen In reply to WonderlandRevisited [2015-04-30 20:42:31 +0000 UTC]

I've experienced none of the problems you describe, so not really sure what I can help you with.

As you can see in the screenshot I don't really use the menubar in Thunar, but just toggle using Ctrl+m when needed. Never had problems with Iceweasel failing to launch, not on my desktop either which is also running Jessie.

Just like Iceweasel you could start Thunar from the command line. If you're able to post some errors I could always take a look.

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WonderlandRevisited In reply to kjeksomanen [2015-05-01 07:20:27 +0000 UTC]

I'd have to swap hard drives again.  Not something I want to do too often with my old T61.  Lenovo warns not to make a regular practice of swapping hard drives.  I was planning on waiting awhile and then reinserting the hard drive with Debian Jessie to do a lot of updating in the hope that by 8.1 or 8.2 the problems will be sorted out.  Until then, I'll just use my bug-free Wheezy install.

Lots of sites mentioned Ctrl+m to toggle the menus back in Thunar.  Must be a common problem.  The Iceweasel problem was a permissions error involving Gnome accelerators:

arecordon.blogspot.com/2013/06…

Good grief I'm becoming such a geek!  I didn't know what permissions were until I started using Macs in 2004.  By 2006, I gave up on Macs after the switch to Intel chips.  Macs aren't worth the absurd price difference anymore.

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kjeksomanen In reply to WonderlandRevisited [2015-05-01 12:26:41 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't put too much thought into Lenovo warning you about changing the disk. As long as you take good care of the mounting mechanism (I'm guessing screws) and contact point there is nothing to worry about to be honest. Changed my disk a lot on my laptop (HP probook 6460b) without blinking an eye. One should expect atleast the same of a T61.

As for Ctrl+m, I want my menus to be disabled by default. Did you find anything saying it was a bug, or just that it hides itself?

Does not suprise me that you've experienced permission problems with Gnome 2. By the way, if you didn't know it's easy to install newer versions of Iceweasel on stable/testing using mozilla.debian.net/

If you compare the prices between a MacBook Pro and a business line laptop such as Lenovo T-series, HP EliteBook/ProBook or whatever Dell is making these days, the prices isn't that insane. That being said, I wouldn't buy a Mac even if it were cheaper out of principle.

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WonderlandRevisited In reply to kjeksomanen [2015-05-02 06:10:23 +0000 UTC]

With a Thinkpad, you have a slot on the side of the laptop and a coverplate with a single screw.  You need a hard drive caddy which you can purchase direct from China on Amazon (I have several).  The hard drive is held in place by rubber rails.  No screws.  It's a really tight fit.  The point of concern is the contact points.  Lenovo says to swap hard drives only to upgrade or replace.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAIP-A…

The menus hid themselves on Thunar after I enabled tree display on Nautilus out of curiosity.  Weird.  I had Thunar and Nautilus both open at the same time.  Thunar "blinked" at the exact moment that I made the setting change on Nautilus. I disabled the tree display on Nautilus, but Thunar stayed the same.

The ESR release of Iceweasel is fine for me.  It's what I use on Windows (Firefox ESR).

Thinkpads are very cheap if you buy old refurbished ones. A bit of a crapshoot, however.  A lot of refurbs are jury-rigged junk.  An old off-lease Thinkpad from a business can be worth buying.  I would never buy a new Thinkpad.  Price is out-of-reach.  I just saw an old fifteen-inch T61p offered for $90 with no operating system.

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kjeksomanen In reply to WonderlandRevisited [2015-05-02 16:03:23 +0000 UTC]

Oh yes I know. I have a T61 myself, although it hasn't been used it too much. Got it for about $90 or so a couple of years ago. Have yet to play with the drive bay so your post and the video was interesting, thanks.

Maybe Thunar and Nautilus share some gconf settings or something seeing as they affect eachother? I haven't looked into it, but sounds probable.

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WonderlandRevisited In reply to kjeksomanen [2015-05-03 03:30:01 +0000 UTC]

The optical drive bay on a Thinkpad can also be used for a second hard drive, but I would never attempt it because some poor sap on Amazon reported that he bought the caddy for a second hard drive and was stunned to discover after inserting it that it had no pull tab to get it back out!  Oh, he was mad!  None of the second hard drive caddies seem to be reliable.  I use my optical drive, so I wouldn't consider a second hard drive anyway.

I thought the same thing about Thunar and Nautilus, at least in Debian 8, sharing some Gnome files.  How else could such a thing happen?  Certainly was bizarre.  One application's settings affecting a completely unrelated program is something I've never seen before -- even on Windows.

If your T61 is going unused, perhaps try Windows 10 Tech preview? Don't put any documents on it or use it to log in to anything.  I've seen numerous reports that the Windows Tech preview has close to a keylogger on it.  Microsoft has the Preview version phoning just about everything home to examine bug reports.  They tell you upfront that they're using you as a beta tester, so I'm not too upset about this.  Make sure to copy down the product key if you decide to try it out.  Important note:  the 32-bit iso will only install to very old 32-bit processors.  For a T61, you'll need the 64-bit iso.

windows.microsoft.com/en-us/wi…

You can install GtkHash to check the SHA1 sum.

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kjeksomanen In reply to WonderlandRevisited [2015-05-03 21:34:19 +0000 UTC]

The option to swap bays such as optical to hard drive is one of the reasons I really like professional line laptops. And the ability to upgrade and fix things yourself. I think I could do the same on my 6460b, but 128 GB SSD is more than enough for school usage.

Were the caddy you read about an OEM, third party or official? Sounds odd that it'd have such a design flaw, but I certainly believe it to be possible.

As for the Thunar/Nautilus situation I have the same experience as you, never had something like that happen before on any OS.

Thank you for the suggestion about Windows 10 Tech preview, but I don't use Windows on any of my machines and that is not going to change any time soon. Not particularly suprised that you'd risk being a experimentation bunny if installing a tech preview, but like you say, they're atleast honest about it so no biggie.

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WonderlandRevisited In reply to kjeksomanen [2015-05-07 11:43:02 +0000 UTC]

The second hard drive caddy with no pull tab was probably a broken used caddy pulled out of a junk pile in a cardboard box.  I don't know how it is in Norway, but I've seen plenty of small computer repair shops in the U.S. that had loose piles of used junk in cardboard boxes with a label written in black marker ink.  Buying used computer stuff on Amazon is a total crap shoot.  The DVD/RW that I bought from Amazon for my T61 was a Lenovo remanufactured.

I have Windows Vista SP2 and Windows 7 running on old laptops that are used mostly for old games.  I wonder how much money the local computer repair shops make turning off User Account Control for people who can't install software because of all the permissions errors that UAC causes.  I've had UAC block the installation of Firefox.  I always turn it off.  One local shop offered to restore the Windows start button for $39.99!  I suspect that was $4.99 for Stardock's Start8 and an installation fee or service charge of $35.00.  Grrrrr...!

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kjeksomanen In reply to kik1n [2015-04-20 23:45:31 +0000 UTC]

I'm not entirely sure what you mean, could you try to explain where in the screenshot you're thinking of? I know what Clementine and Qt is, but I don't use it on this setup.

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