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hydranoid2009 [2012-12-23 16:29:41 +0000 UTC]
1: superman, since he has killed bizarro before
2: deathstroke, he took on the entire justice league! im sure he can deal with batman in fact in dc universe online's future opening, he would've if joker didn't blow him up
3: black adam, he is simply just more powerful in my opinion, as well as more battle experience
4: reverse flash for sure, he has no remorse, and flash actually stated in one issue that even with all three flash's combined he was still a blur,that's how fast he is
5: im going with sinestro, because he is more ruthless, and more trained
6: martian manhunter, since he has more variety in powers, and also since he's my favorite XD
7: grundy, hawkman may be strong, but he isnt a match for hulk like strength
8: white martian, since plastic man would be more vulnerable to fire
9: etrigan, since firestorm has to have his two minds agree and probably bicker while etrigan can ignore his other half
10: im going with rash al ghul, since he has a LOT more experiance
11: im going with clarion, because zatanna has to be able to think fast and speak quickly to cast spells
12: im going braniac, since he has more knowledge, and more ability's
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MacAddict17 In reply to hydranoid2009 [2012-12-25 23:59:22 +0000 UTC]
That's not quite how it works... everyone competes against everyone else in the hunger games. The pairs are arbitrary.
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hydranoid2009 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-26 00:02:10 +0000 UTC]
oh, i thought it was pair based, as if it came down to them. in that case im guessing either martian manhunter or brainiac
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MacAddict17 In reply to hydranoid2009 [2012-12-26 00:05:39 +0000 UTC]
Why those two? What can Brainiac do against, say, Black Adam?
For my part, I think the martians and Plastic Man are all weakened by being so near so much lava and heat.
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hydranoid2009 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-26 00:07:04 +0000 UTC]
hmm...good points, now that i think about it, deathstroke seems best since he wouldent be hindered and once took on most of these guys at once! also he would probably be able to think five steps ahead the others
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UnicornsDragonChild1 [2012-12-05 17:14:07 +0000 UTC]
Lol, Batman's got it. No if's, and's, or but's. He is The Batman, and that is the end of it! Lol, fun concept, hunger games meets dc!
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Deathwalker27 [2012-12-03 06:57:57 +0000 UTC]
Long time, how's it going man? Though to answer your question. Batman, the answer is always Batman.
Now I have a question. Why is Etrigan on the side of the villains?
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-03 19:02:45 +0000 UTC]
Batman dies to The Flash .003 seconds after the starting bell. There is literally nothing he can do.
Etrigan is kind of like Deadpool, he fits on either side depending on the comic.
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Deathwalker27 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-03 23:33:30 +0000 UTC]
Wouldn't you mean Reverse Flash, or is this an all out thing. Either way, Batman always has a plan, and if there's no moral code it it would come down to Batman and Deathstroke as they're essentially the same in this situation. I mean, Batman without his moral code would have no qualms blowing out Flash's kneecaps with a shotgun. You're basically saying anyone without superpowers is screwed right from the get go otherwise.
Eh, Etrigan at worst is an anti-hero, and there are other villains you have used instead, such as Two-Face.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 01:55:50 +0000 UTC]
Its definitely an all-out thing.
There's nothing that a plan can do without the reflexes to execute it. Batman dies in .003 seconds to Flash. The Hunger Games does not allow Batman to plan.
Deathstroke could stab the Flash as he has in the past, but again, he's just so out-classed. What does deathstroke do against Black Adam?
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Deathwalker27 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-04 02:27:25 +0000 UTC]
Okay, you honestly think superpowers is going to stop Batman when it hasn't before. We're not talking Nolan Batman here, we're talking about the Batman that KILLED Darkseid. I can see the Flash running straight at Batman to only get socked in the face. With all his toys and gadgets, Batman could beat the Flash.
Deathstroke is immortal, even if he gets ripped asunder he'll just regenerate like he did AFTER THE NUCLEAR EXPLOSION! It's the comic book super soldiers 101. He has the combat skills to fight him hand to hand, and could figure something out. I mean, the man beat the Atom with a laser pointer.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 05:12:37 +0000 UTC]
Plus, Batman was only able to kill Darkseid because he had a special bullet and gun at that particular point and time. Like, all these situations where Batman wins against superpowers are situations which he has control over the timing and the circumstances. He doesn't have control in the Hunger games. He's forced to stand on a platform where he is visible to everyone, and he only gets what he usually carries on his utility belt. Even with a sonic device, his reflexes just aren't as fast as the Flash. Its impossible for a human being with human reaction time not to die instantly to the Flash. Impossible.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 05:05:19 +0000 UTC]
Dude, ok. This is what the Flash is capable of. He can run around the planet 7 times in a second. He can go into a library, read every book inside, come out, and rebuild a bridge having no prior knowledge of architecture all within a couple of seconds.
Batman does not have enhanced reflexes like Deathstroke. Batman is a really smart human being. That's it. I don't care what his plan is, there is no time for him to react. Literally the millisecond that starting bell goes off, the Flash has already punched him 200 times in the skull. He dies. No two ways about it.
There is no gadget he could use in time. There is no punch Batman could throw that Flash couldn't dodge.
If everyone started miles and miles apart, I'd say Batman has a chance. But there is no way for Batman to fight the Flash. None.
Deathstroke is pretty BA, but his healing isn't as good as Wolverine, or Lobo. There are far more characters that are invulnerable that would be able to take down Slade in terms of raw power. For instance, Bizarro. What's Slade gonna do, shoot him? Stab him? I think he's the most Badass of the group, but he's out-classed.
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Deathwalker27 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-04 05:18:54 +0000 UTC]
First, Deathstroke survived a nuke. How does that not make his healing factor on the level of Wolverine, Lobo, or even the Hulk? Besides the immortality going for him.
Second, I know what the Flash is capable of, but you forget what Batman is capable of, and how writing him changes when he's with the Justice League. His speed has been used against him countless times, just look at Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. John Stewart managed to punch, no powers just a punch, a Flash running right at him in the face, why can't Batman?
Also, if you say everyone starts at the same time, whose to say that the Flash will go for Batman anyway, everyone else is there so hell would just break out, and Batman wouldn't use the situation to his advantage?
Your argument is, well he doesn't have powers so he's dead, not true and not fair. Batman has constantly fought people with powers when he's at a disadvantage and come out victorious.
I mean, Batman and Deathstroke are the tacticians they can out think everyone else. If they can win straight away, they'll play a war of attrition by immediately getting out of the area, and heading into the area wear they can arm themselves. You said the Cornucopia has Apoc tech and powerful items. Something there can kill Bizarro. Especially if they wear him down before hand.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 05:50:52 +0000 UTC]
Like, if he can actually recover from the full force of a nuke, then how come he's missing an eye? Wolverine and Lobo can both regenerate limbs, Slade can't. He has a modestly accelerated healing factor, not immortality.
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Deathwalker27 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-04 06:18:56 +0000 UTC]
Okay, well, here's where Flash, Wally West in fact, gets punched in the face: [link]
No enhanced reflexes, also, again Batman and Deathstroke would immediately flee with smoke bombs and flash bangs. You can't find your target if you can't see them, and Flash does not have super hearing as they would be immediate drops as everyone else would survey their surrondings.
Also, I don't think Batman would be Flash's first target as Reverse Flash would immediately jump him if Flash didn't see him first.
Now, Flash vibrating his molecules takes it's toll on him if he does it for too long. As I believe it's been stated that it can be hazardous to his health. Also, he never runs when vibrates he's kinda stands there and floats through the solid objects.
Plastic Man, eh? Somebody's fanboy sneaking out?
I can't remember the comic, but he got hit with a nuclear bomb, and if I remember correctly he's de-aged by 20 years, has amnesia, and still is missing his eye. I don't know why he hasn't regrown his eye, and I guess it's a defining physical trait, and it will never grow back.
It's been stated that he's immortal, as Vandal Savage wanted his blood to become immortal during one point. Which is weird as Vandal Savage is essentially immortal himself, and a recent story before the reboot had Slade build an immortality machine which made no sense. Then again it was during I felt a real betrayal of Deathstroke's character at the time. As I feel Deathstroke is an anti-hero, and would never be into the Lex Luthor supervillainie they had him doing.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 06:56:05 +0000 UTC]
Dude, that show is Batman Brave and the Bold. I love it for its cheesiness, but in that show, Batman literally punches a bowling ball that is thrown at him and it disintegrates. This is clearly not something you can consult for comic book reality. This is campy, 60's style cartoons, not canon at all.
I don't think you understand the word immediately when it comes to the flash. Lightspeed man, lightspeed. That means if the Flash can see batman at the start of the game, he has already hit him. with a lightspeed punch. One blow, Batman goes down. A flashbang? seriously?
Like, first the buzzer goes off. Then Batman reacts, in .1 seconds. Then he reaches for the flash bang, and in one fell swoop pulls the flashbang up, and throws it down. That's gotta take at least .7 seconds. Then the flashbang has to travel to the ground, land, and go off in a puff of smoke, which takes probably a minimum of a second to fill the space batman is in.
Do you have any idea what the Flash can do to Batman in 2 seconds? He could literally strip him of all his clothes, utility belt and all, pick the flashbang from his hand and throw it into his mouth, give Batman the biggest indian burn the world has ever seen, and still have time to go back to the cornucopia, grab a weapon, and stab him 500 times.
Flashbangs? The Flash is a man who diverts BULLETS with his bare hands. You think he can escape with flashbangs?
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Yes, it would definitely take a huge toll on him to do this. So, maybe he phases through only when he has to, like for Superman and such.
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I didn't say plas would win, I only said he could survive being exploded at the molecular level. I mean, he once was torn to bits and tossed into the ocean, and they resurrected him a millenium later. He's pretty indestructable.
The way Flash would get him though is he would ball him up and throw him into lava.
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Deathstroke has an enhanced healing ability, there's no way a nuke wouldn't kill him. He was clearly on the outskirts of its explosion in that comic. There is just no way. Like, if he lost an arm he wouldn't regenerate it. In a nuclear explosion, he would lose literally every connection between all of his molecules. There would be no Slade to regenerate.
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Deathwalker27 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-04 07:45:35 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry, but Lex handle this for me: [link]
It's not Batman Brave and the Bold. It's Justice League, and even though the episode was called Brave and the Bold it was not the campy silver age tribute show. It continues from Batman the Animated Series and Superman the Animated Series. Batman is voice by Kevin Conroy not that guy from the Drew Carey Show.
Yes, flashbang, or smoke bombs, and you're forgetting EVERYONE ELSE! Why is it you're singling out Batman and Flash? I understand how fast the Flash is, but he limits his speed because if he does go full throttle he would die. He can do a lot of damage, but he isn't the only speedster.
As I've stated Reverse Flash would just a quickly cut Flash off, and try to kill him. The two going at each other's throats would give Batman enough time to escape. Quit ignoring that fact. Batman's not going to be his first target, and usually Batman has already left when someone notices him. Hell, that's his thing is disappearing at blink of the eye.
Batman has a contingency plan for every hero, why couldn't he have his plan to take out Flash since you gave him all his toys to play with. I don't care about how fast you say Flash moves, Batman can still beat him, and honestly he would.
The way you make it sound is it's Batman and Flash exit a pod, they see each other, Batman dies. In the clip I post of the Justice League, not Batman Brave and the Bold, it shows Flash going at his fighting speed and getting punched in the face by person with normal human reflexes and strength. Flash charging headlong at Batman is stupid.
I've also remember there are others if everyone shows up at the same time the variables are great. Like said Reverse Flash would immediately go for Flash, and vice versa. They hate each other more then anyone, and if anything Batman would try and stop the Joker. Honestly, what would make the heroes fight one another?
This argument is getting more and more pointless, and less fun the more it goes on.
I was teasing you about Plastic Man. I mean, you're really having the Flash go on a killing spree here.
Thing about Deathstroke is that it did happen. It was in Deathstroke #42 [1994]. Deathstroke says, "I don't see anyone -- and I don't care. Something's happened to me, Liu. I died... ...BUT I'M NOT DEAD!" The reason he can't regenerate his eye is because he lost it before he got his healing factor. However, he can regenerate and part of his body as long as his brain is intact.
Lesson here, never use logic when it comes to comic books.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 08:15:01 +0000 UTC]
[link]
I mean, Deathstroke can survive a nuke. The Flash can save an entire city while the nuke is exploding.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 08:10:09 +0000 UTC]
IF reverse flash targets flash first, then yes, that gives everyone room to breath. But I think they would both fight everyone else first, starting with Zatanna, then Batman. I think Slade would slice into reverse flash because he's been able to slice flash before.
But literally, I don't care what kind of plan Batman has. I am aware he has contingency plans. I'm aware that they're awesome. I'm aware that they're often foolproof. I'm aware that he has the second greatest tactical mind on the planet.
He literally CANNOT MOVE in comparison. Like, the show showing a green lantern punching the flash is just silly. TV show cartoons don't count man. They break continuum all the time. This is silliness, don't bring the Justice League saturday morning cartoon into this.
Batman with 2 hours of prep time could easily beat the Flash. Batman thrown into a situation where he has not setup time, dies instantly. In fact, going back and looking at that scene with deathstroke, he was only able to stab Flash because of a series of timed explosions he had set up in advance.
IF the Flash goes after Batman first, (or second following Zatanna) then he wins. Batman cannot move. He is frozen in time.
Literally, what would he do? What specifically would Batman do in a 1 on 1 fight with the Flash with no prep time?
I realize that's not the exact situation necessarily, but Batman has NO ABILITY TO FIGHT THE FLASH WITHOUT PREP TIME.
And the Flash has so many options. He could punch him once in the head. He could remove his utility belt, wrap it around Batman's neck and drag, and throw him. He could vibrate through him. He could suffocate him by running around him in circles. All of this before Batman can even REACH his utility belt.
Name ONE THING that Batman has in his utility belt that the Flash can't dodge. ONE THING.
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In a more realistic situation where the heroes are less willing to kill each other because they're friends, Superman saves Batman immediately and carries him away from the fighting. Bruce curses him for it, but it saves his life. The Flash and Reverse Flash would probably tangle, and they might get blown up because a Joker-style cornucopia would probably be booby trapped.
Happy now?
I'm just saying, in a 1 on 1 fight between the Flash and Batman, with no prep time, Flash wins no contest. There is not even any remote, one in a million chance that Batman wins that fight.
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MacAddict17 In reply to Deathwalker27 [2012-12-04 05:40:50 +0000 UTC]
No, my argument is not "he doesn't have powers, therefore he dies."
My argument is he literally cannot react to the Flash.
Human reaction time is about .2 seconds. We'll push Batman's to .1 to be very generous. IN THAT TIME, Flash has ran around the entire circle and punched everyone 200 times, and Reverse Flash has grabbed a sword from the cornucopia and sliced everyone 100 times. These characters move at NEAR LIGHTSPEED and can STEAL PEOPLE'S SPEED to boost their own attacks.
I agree that if it becomes like an actual hunger games, the two tacticians have a great shot. But Batman literally cannot react to the Flash. He doesn't have time.
Ok, you'll have to point me to the time when a green lantern punched the Flash. That is clearly impossible... Deathstroke can because he has enhanced reflexes, but a green Lantern?
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Also, consider this. Wally West, the Flash pictured here, had trouble phasing through things. He can go through things by vibrating quickly, but this causes those things to explode on a molecular level.
What's to stop the Flash from running round in a circle, vibrating so that he can't be hit, and phasing through everyone, causing every single person to explode on a molecular level?
This deals with people that can hurt Flash, like Slade, and people like Superman who are invulnerable. The only people I see walking away from that are Black Adam and Plastic Man.
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Now, on to Deathstroke. I'd have to read the comic, but I can't find any reference to the idea that Slade was at the epicenter of the nuclear explosion there. I can see it if he was near the outer edges, but I mean, supernatural healing does not immortality make.
Besides, if he dies, the capitol picks up his body before he can fully regenerate. Same goes for Grundy and other immortals.
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pjcyto [2012-12-03 06:13:22 +0000 UTC]
You know, there is an old relic of a 3 part comic series that Dark Horse Comics did that featured Batman. It was an epic cross over of their standard works (at the time). Judge Dread, Robo-Cop, Alien, Predator, and a slue of others were in it. But they were the main focuses.
The ending is what made it a rare comic. They stopped the print after a few thousand because of what they had Batman do. They DID have the rights to use him, but DC yanked that from them as soon as this released.
The ending had Judge Dread and Batman hiding behind some rock formation talking about how they were going to take down the Predator. They were the last 3 in the game. (BTW, The Riddler set this one up in some sort of dimension thing timeline made up junk.) Batman suddenly had "an idea" and asked for the Judges gun. Dread gave it to him, and Batman blew his head off with.
The series was supposed to have an epic showdown of Batman vs Predator in the last book in the series, but the project was canceled before that. For... obvious reasons.
Say this game DID go through, as designed, the winner would be the Joker. Naturally. I mean, what a show this would be! And kill off tons of heroes and annoying villains in your way? One word- Genius.
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MacAddict17 In reply to pjcyto [2012-12-03 06:32:30 +0000 UTC]
Well, if the joker was somehow able to set this up, he'd have to have some pretty powerful magic on his side. I can actually see klarion helping him do this. That would be a scary team up.
But yeah, Joker would be the overall winner. Just like the Capitol is the overall winner in the hunger games books.
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pjcyto In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-03 06:43:44 +0000 UTC]
This is exactly what I was thinking, actually. Joker would have an inside guy on that match that would later be betrayed by him. It's a classic move. Klarion is a good pick for it too. I can't say it will end well for anyone... Even those two.
The more I look at this, the more my nerd senses tingle. It's way to deep... QUICK SOMEBODY GET THE DC HOTLINE! TELL THEM TO MAKE A SIDE ISSUE!
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pjcyto In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-03 23:56:52 +0000 UTC]
You're onto something huge here that should honestly be picked up.
Joker would be really pissed that Batman died by somebody else. Since he is the guy setting this all up, I would assume he would have a few people working for him. Klarion for sure. Maybe even Deathstroke (if he has the bank roll for it).
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MacAddict17 In reply to pjcyto [2012-12-04 05:24:27 +0000 UTC]
Ok, I just thought of something that basically ends the game. Isn't Wally West the guy who had trouble phasing through objects? Like anything he phases through explodes on the molecular level?
Flash runs in a circle, phasing through every single person. He doesn't have to worry about invulnerability, he's not trying to hit them he's trying to phase through them. Dude think about it... He would literally explode every single character except Plastic Man and *maybe* Black Adam. I don't think even Despero could handle that.
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pjcyto In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-05 01:41:27 +0000 UTC]
... I never thought of that... But do you think he'll think of it in time?
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MacAddict17 In reply to pjcyto [2012-12-05 06:21:30 +0000 UTC]
He has a full minute to think at lightspeed, and he's a smart guy, a scientist. He'll think of it.
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pjcyto In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-05 23:59:23 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, but he's not known for his common sense approach to things, is what I'm getting at. He's kind of those "smart but not smart" kinda goofs. He DOES have his moments though.
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AngelAbolished [2012-12-03 05:52:21 +0000 UTC]
Plastic man! He'd hide out the enter game under a rock or something. No one could find him to kill him! Heeheehee.
Although, I'd probably put all my money on Klarion just cause he's crazy and you never know what he's going to do.
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amethystangel228 [2012-12-03 05:13:36 +0000 UTC]
My husband: Either Deathstroke or Etrigan. Our friend: Sinestro. Me: Either Superman or Klarion the Witch Boy.
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MacAddict17 In reply to amethystangel228 [2012-12-03 05:24:09 +0000 UTC]
I'd give it to Deathstroke before I give it to Batman, but both of them are outclassed.
Etrigan has a nice advantage on the turf, and I'd say he has a decent shot. Though, I wouldn't give him much of a chance against Superman.
I'd say you're right on the money, Superman or Klarion (Bum Bum Bum!) the Witch Boy. or Zatanna, if she can utter "Emit Pots!" before either of the Flashes get to her. Then she could duke it out with Klarion, who really requires more preparation than she does, and then she could easily just win.
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amethystangel228 [2012-12-03 00:56:06 +0000 UTC]
My husband says Etrigan will win because his rhyming will drive all of them to suicide. (I tried to say he'd die first because they'd all gun for him if that were the case, but he ignored me. lol)
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MacAddict17 In reply to amethystangel228 [2012-12-03 04:27:30 +0000 UTC]
That's the idea! Enjoy!
Let me know what consensus you come to!
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amethystangel228 In reply to MacAddict17 [2012-12-03 05:17:30 +0000 UTC]
We also agree that the most likely outcome is that the Joker is the winner. The Cornucopia will be booby-trapped. Anybody that goes up to it will either be killed or will have to endure a game of chance in order to get anything.
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MacAddict17 In reply to amethystangel228 [2012-12-04 05:26:48 +0000 UTC]
Wait a second, I just thought of something. Wally West can't phase through anything without it exploding. What's to stop him from running in a circle, phasing through everyone, causing them to explode on a molecular level?
Even Superman couldn't handle that. Maybe Black Adam could recover because he's magic.
Plastic Man would be fine. Until Flash balls him up and throws him in a fire pit. Flash wins.
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MacAddict17 In reply to amethystangel228 [2012-12-04 17:32:04 +0000 UTC]
Well, I may have underestimated the reaction time of someone who can run and think at lightspeed.
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MacAddict17 In reply to amethystangel228 [2012-12-03 05:27:48 +0000 UTC]
Good point. And I think the fact that Batman knows the Joker's mind would give him a good avantage, provided he survives the early stage.
If I was a supervillain, I'd want batman on my side. I'd be overconfident that I could dispatch him when the time comes. Maybe Sinestro teams up with batman. That would be cooooool
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Minecraftman101 [2012-12-02 21:30:10 +0000 UTC]
go batman go! go batman go!
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BatWatch [2012-12-02 19:45:08 +0000 UTC]
One word=Batman Two Words=Will Win
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