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Lacewinged-Beauty [2012-12-17 05:51:33 +0000 UTC]
This is excellent! Thank you!
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locodela [2012-06-14 16:10:04 +0000 UTC]
This is extremely helpful to me!
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wyrdrun [2011-10-26 19:57:57 +0000 UTC]
I am an Editor by trade & by nature. This should be very helpful to those many writers who are not.
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Happytown124 [2011-10-23 10:34:37 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the tips,they will help a lot!
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louiebear [2011-10-23 09:34:56 +0000 UTC]
I think this mite help me thanks for posting,
I have always be someone who has meany stories in my head to tell but I have be very wary how sees my stuff in till i am at my final presses although my writing has improved, I have very bad spelling eras and drives me nuts when I know what I'm thinking but my writing hasn't match up to my initial thoughts, If someone picks up and read my planing stage first drafts it looks alot like scribble ready for the bin. The way it play out in my head it just magic. and what I write most of the time makes sense to me and my mum but no one else. when I was born doctors gave me the wrong machination I was left my Creative RIGHT side of the brain I all ways fleet difference to most from as early age and would come preschool crying why am I so different, there are still times where I am a bit like that but I am have excepted who i am and my extraordinary way of story telling in a different way. wherever it is photographic, writing, or painting, I really want to embracing my writing to another level just like all my other interests in life. I have be putting aside writing a bit but now seeing this I want to give it a good go at it as I have already establish myself in the other areas in my creative fields
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zman1130 In reply to louiebear [2015-02-17 10:39:38 +0000 UTC]
This is an example of a run on sentence in a way, what I mean is this could have been writen way much shorter, talking about how something helped you and hoping to spread it toward others, express it more foreward , 'cause not every one has time to read it. This just a thoughtful thought, please don't take this personal or the wrong way, this is what english professor prefer.
sincerely,
zman1130
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Digital-Subconscious [2011-10-23 05:15:04 +0000 UTC]
A few good tips in here I see.
However I think this is a bit constricting to someone who is just learning to write or is "trying to do it perfect".
Poetry is about the soul, it's about flow and making art.
That being said, if writing to a certain style, certain rules must be followed.
All else is free form writing and is grounds for having everything you wrote being broken, with purpose. And the author knowing why they have done what they have done. If your capitalizing everything 3rd word, then that's your style and that's your choice. So all that said, I would include something pertaining to the free form flow of poetry and to not always judge it too harshly. Especially if it's free form, because then your just strangling with rules, and that kills the muse.
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A-Glass-Brightly [2011-10-23 00:36:38 +0000 UTC]
Very useful. Great job!
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Drunken-Splice [2011-10-22 23:37:47 +0000 UTC]
Man, if I'd had this when I was just starting to self edit I would have been so much further along. This is great for beginning poets. When I first started writing/editing I was so utterly conservative on grammatical rules and I never wanted to delete filler words. I don't think anyone every told me I could, actually. I'm so excited to see someone talking about in an editing checklist. When I finally let myself delete them, it was the biggest revelation to me and totally changed the way I edit.
I still tend to go heavy on filler words on my first draft in an attempt to just get the idea out and flowing and then edit them out later. If I was to say anything in terms of adding to this, I might throw in a sentence about that--telling them that it's ok to have filler words when you're trying to get the poem out at first, then it's super easy to cut out later. I know that if I honestly tried to write the poem and consciously think "do I really need this auxiliary verb/relative pronoun here?" I'd get lost in that and lose the creative momentum I tend to get when a piece is good and worth writing about.
Congrats on the DD
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YikuMasune [2011-10-22 07:47:28 +0000 UTC]
This will be able to help me in english when I'm writing poetry, thank you!
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LiliWrites [2011-09-17 08:39:10 +0000 UTC]
The line breaks check is one I often have to remind myself about. And, if you're interested, a wonderful guide on that very topic: [link]
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Mahi-Fish In reply to LiliWrites [2011-10-23 05:28:42 +0000 UTC]
I like this guide. I find that I break my lines intuitively most of the time, but I do occasionally like to use breaks in the last way - as a way to create double meanings.
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KaYin91 [2011-09-06 00:10:32 +0000 UTC]
Taking into advantage you took the effort in writing this guide, I would like to ask you on something that's been bugging me for a while now.
I'm not any native speaker of English, but I do have certain formal notions on poetry in Spanish.
While English language does let us eliminate several "filler words" as you called them, normal use of English does not let for grammatical subjects to be eliminated (e.g. we do even ask "what time is IT?").
As for my "good" (or rather "better") poems, I still haven't found any good way around starting 50% of lines with the pronoun. For example...
I'd love that we blablabla
but you blablabla
and we blablabla...
When I blablabla"
I am unfortunately not well read in English poetry.
Just if you have time, please give a quick glance at [link] . It exemplifies a cherished poem of mine, marked by the sinful taint of repeating pronouns... people believe that I try to emphasize "thou" so it sounds old-fashioned or haughtier... but the thing is I don't want that damn "thou"ing to detract too much the attention from the actual emotions/actions. I don't mean to sound rude.
And thanks for sharing.
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Mahi-Fish In reply to KaYin91 [2011-10-23 06:23:05 +0000 UTC]
Hiya,
I'm very sorry for the very late response. I'd love to help. I tried the link that you provided but it didn't seem to work. Would you mind trying again?
In general though I strongly suggest against using the archaic pronouns like thee, thy and thou. The only time I'd suggest using them is when you are writing a poem or other piece that is meant to closely emulate the style and language of a particular era. Depending on the phase of the English language you are trying to emulate there could be slightly different variations on the rules which can be more or less strict. I've taken an entire course on the history of the English language with a detailed look at the use and evolution of archaic pronouns, and I'd *still* want to use a reference before using them in my own writing.
The problem for the writer is that most of us aren't comfortable with these pronouns and their correct usage, and so it is easy to make mistakes. The problem for the reader is compounded then. The first problem is that most readers don't read things that use archaic pronouns on a regular basis, and so they will almost always feel awkward. The second is that if the writer makes a mistake it'll often sound wrong to the reader, even if they won't be able to place their finger on why. I once read a series of fantasy novels that tried to use "thee" and "thou" to give a set of characters a distinctive speech pattern, and because they kept mixing them up I found it too distracting to continue.
As far as cutting pronouns go it's possible and even valid to do in poetry, but it's often not necessary. As long as there is some variation in the structure of your lines a handful of pronouns won't be a distraction.
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KaYin91 In reply to Mahi-Fish [2011-10-23 21:15:50 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for your reply! I, too, am mostly against using those especially if trying to give the text an "archaic" AND "formal" tone whereas it'd be historically much inaccurate, and where it is not intended to be placed in the historical era. (But this one time something was crying "thou wast abandoned by the sea" and i HAD to write it hahaha).
Poetic licenses would give us, once acquainted enough with the rules, permission to do virtually whatever we want to. BUT, i meant it in not-so-experimental poetry. So you say i worry not that much about having to write pronouns this frequently? I'll take that into account!
I *had to* delete that deviation. But anyway, thanks for your help! Much appreciated.
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angelStained In reply to KaYin91 [2011-10-22 14:29:35 +0000 UTC]
Try the Critique thread in the Lit Forums if you haven't already.
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YouInventedMe [2011-09-03 21:14:04 +0000 UTC]
well done, scott. this shall be my first favorite on this type of material.
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Mahi-Fish In reply to YouInventedMe [2011-10-23 05:31:03 +0000 UTC]
(I know this is a super late reply, but I'll send it anyways)
I'm glad you liked it Shane. This was an experiment for me, and I'm glad that it seems to have turned out to be well received.
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indiana-w [2011-08-11 03:31:32 +0000 UTC]
I bet this is very useful for beginners!
(Hopefully long-time writers already possess these skills.)
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angelStained [2011-08-09 15:30:47 +0000 UTC]
Thank-you— this is quite useful, I see. I tend to mess up sometimes with tenses myself.
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Mahi-Fish In reply to angelStained [2011-08-10 00:01:48 +0000 UTC]
Yes, it was intended to help newer poets, but it can also be useful as a quick checklist for more experienced ones. Anything you can think of to add?
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angelStained In reply to Mahi-Fish [2011-08-10 02:32:11 +0000 UTC]
I browsed through past critiques, and:
Check for contradictions in imagery? Like in the first line "roses are red" and suddenly in the fifth "my blue roses"
Check for vague words eg. "people"
Keep in mind the connotations of words
I don't know if these are basic or not though. Or too subjective. I've never conciously checked for them in my writing, but I've picked up on these for others.
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Mahi-Fish In reply to angelStained [2011-08-10 02:41:42 +0000 UTC]
Both sound like good bits of info. The second especially I'll find a way to work in. I just need to figure out how to phrase the first to fit with the format.
Great ideas.
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almcdermid [2011-08-09 13:11:50 +0000 UTC]
I good, useful guide, especially the Poetic Devices list.
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