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I generally don't write much to contradict animal rights activists because most of the time they don't want to hurt anyone. However, in the case of service dogs, it's a case of animal rights activists versus human well-being. Let me explain.

Many animal rights extremists (such as PETA) claim that service dogs are slaves. Yes, you heard me right. This comes from the fact that animal rights extremists think they believe that animals are equal to humans and have the same intrinsic rights as humans. However, to take service dogs away from the people who need them is to place the dogs' rights above the humans' rights. By banning service dogs, they are asking diabetics, epileptics, and others to suffer. In essence, when people want service dogs to be a thing of the past, it's not about equality anymore, it's about making animals more important. There are obvious issues surrounding the idea of "animal equality," but for the sake of argument, I won't address them here. Feel free to believe what you want about that. I'll address the common claims that animal rights activists use to make service dogs out to be enslaved. 

During this stamp description, I will refer to the person who needs the dog as the dog’s “person,” because in many cases service dogs are owned by a training agency and the person who needs the dog is actually not the owner.

 


Claim #1: "Service dogs are abused / are not socialized."

There are actually very few cases of abuse towards service dogs. Of course you could bring up the case of Inky the black lab who was beaten by her handler, but in general, there are very, very few cases of abuse towards service dogs. This is because the dogs’ people need them. If they were to abuse the dogs, the relationship would fall apart and the dog would no longer be useful, not to mention that the agency that owns the dog would take the dog away and revoke the person’s rights to have a service dog in the future.

Most service dogs are trained using only positive reinforcements. Clicker training and treats is strongly established especially among the many, many trainers. 

As one service dog trainer writes: “I can tell you for a fact that my boys love to work. They see their gear and tails are wagging. I've left Mugen (my service dog in training) behind before and he actually broke out of the door to follow me to the car. My boys also have plenty of freedom. They have plenty of time to be dogs and do what they enjoy. Drifter loves swimming, going to the park, playing fetch, etc... Mugen loves to go play with other dogs at the park or friends’ houses, play fetch, hopefully swim this summer, etc. If they don't want to work one day (which hasn't happened yet) they wouldn't work. I also would like to add that Drifter (medically retired service dog) is depressed now that he is not working which is why he is going into therapy work. If the dogs you are talking about aren't happy, then the wrong dogs were chosen for the job.”

In the words of another trainer and the administrator of servicedogcentral.org/: “Service dog training is almost always done positively with little to no punishment or force, specifically because a disabled person is not in a position to force a dog to do something he does not want to do.  By definition, the dog is doing something the person cannot do for themselves.  How then could they force a dog to do something they cannot themselves do?  A person who cannot pick up a pencil is not going to be able to deliver an ear pinch to force the dog to pick it up for them either.  Punitive techniques work only so long as the dog believes there will be a negative consequence for refusing to comply.  A dog is not something that can be programmed like a machine where you set it up and then it performs the same task flawlessly for the rest of its working life (if you have a good machine, lol).  The relationship between a service dog and his person is dynamic and based on communication, mutual trust, and mutual respect.  The dog does what is asked not because he believes his trainer or person is going to beat him if he doesn't, but because he likes to work cooperatively as a member of a team and thrives on the approval and appreciation of his human partner and the relationship they share.  That is what maintains the dog's training throughout his working life.
If your program is not in the habit of selecting dogs that actually want the job, you should find a different program.”

Another trainer/owner writes: “Bella showed me her natural wanting desire to work long before I started training. Bella showed me there was something wrong with me. Then I needed help she was there. She was a house dog nothing more...through time I realized she has a strong desire to work and we fostered her desire with my need for assistance. A true service dog wants to work and desires the bond with their handler. Training won’t work without the dog’s desire. Down time is essential and I don't know anyone who doesn't allow their service dog time to enjoy just goofing off and playing.”

 

 

 

Claim #2: "Service dogs are brainwashed."

Okay, aside from the fact that it’s debatable whether or not you can actually brainwash a dog, let’s look at the claim in detail. Animal rights activists believe that all service dogs are bred and raised in near isolation, and are trained to be service dogs from the moment they are born. This is simply not true.

Many programs actually take rescue dogs and dogs in shelters and train them to be service dogs. Not only does this help a disabled person have a normal life, but it saves a dog from death row. Some programs will also train your dog to perform service dog tasks, provided he/she is capable and willing to do so. Other programs breed dogs specifically for their program. While different programs train their dogs in different ways, all give the newborn puppies several months of “puppy time,” where the puppies grow up and can play with each other just like normal puppies. This socialization helps to prevent behavioral problems later on in life. Animals raised in isolation often develop behavioral problems. Once this puppy time is over (generally at a few months old), the dogs are moved to the program training center (if they weren’t already there), and are exposed to some odd situations (such as people pretending to faint, being asked to do something while being tempted to do something else, etc.) to see how they react. The testing isn’t rigorous, difficult, or traumatizing to the dogs in any way. They don’t even realize they’re being tested. The dogs who choose of their own free will to help the humans in “trouble” or to listen to the humans as opposed to the distraction/temptation advance to the next stage of training. This type of training and testing is continued with gradual increase in complexity of tasks until the dog graduates and is matched up with a disabled person. Many dogs don’t graduate. Those dogs are given away or sold as pets. No harm done there. They just didn’t want to be service dogs. They live out the rest of their lives as normal pet dogs.

During every single step of the training process, the dogs are observed extremely carefully to make sure that they enjoy what they’re doing. If at any point the dog does not appear to want to continue the training, he is released from the program. No dog is ever forced to be a service dog. All are given the choice.

 

 



Claim #3: "Service dogs don't get anything out of the relationship with their person."

Animal rights activists also claim that service dogs don't get anything out of the relationship. They believe that the dogs are giving and giving and are not getting anything in return. This depends on your point of view. If you expect the dog to be paid a salary, no, that's not going to happen. The dog would chew up the paper money and choke on the coins. However, look at it from the dog's perspective. He has an interesting, engaging life filled with challenges, fun, and activity. He gets to go places that no other animals are allowed to go. He has a human who loves him and cares for him. He has down time to be a dog and play. I don't know about you, but that sounds like a pretty sweet deal if you ask me!







Claim #4: "Service dogs are not cared for."

Animal rights activists believe that disabled people are not capable of caring for their service dogs. In some cases they are not (such as if the disabled person is a child or their disability is severe), and in those cases, the agency that provides the dogs is legally required to make sure another family member can care for the dog, or they cannot give the person a dog at all. If a person’s disability is so severe that they can’t care for their dog and they have no family or friends to help, then the only thing that a service dog program can do is recommend that the person move into an assisted living arrangement.

That said, if the disabled person can prove that the dog will be cared for, the agency doesn’t forget about them. The person has the agency’s contact information for the rest of the dog’s time with him/her, and the agency can and usually does perform home checks to make sure the dog and his person are both doing well. The more severe the disability, the more home checks they receive. Some people with service dogs get checkups as often as several times a week!

 

 


Claim #5: "No one needs a service dog."

The idea behind this claim is that a person or a machine can do everything that a service dog can do. This is not true.

Dogs can sense things that no human can. A human cannot sense when another person is about to go into an epileptic seizure. A human cannot sense when a diabetic is about to experience a dangerous blood sugar or blood pressure crisis. My dog, the dog I grew up with from age 2 to 16, could sense when my mother was about to go into a severe kidney infection. When she started following my mother in that characteristic posture with her head down, ears forward, never taking her eyes off my mother, and wagging her tail slightly, we know my mother was about to have another kidney episode, and we got her to the doctor straight away. My dog was the only member of our family who could tell this. On top of this, there is no known way to train a dog to sense such physical changes in a person. When a dog begins warning their person of an impending illness or crisis, it’s because the dog wants to, not because he’s trained to. Even more to the point, if these animal rights people got their way, search and rescue dogs would be banned as well, because they are a form of service dog. These people are asking hundreds of innocent people to die every year just so they can sleep easier about a moral issue that the dogs can't even comprehend!

A machine cannot offer companionship. Machines can be entertaining (such as television and the internet) and can provide physical help, but they just can’t offer companionship in the way that an animal or person can.

Service dogs give their people a sense of purpose in ways that a human caretaker cannot. Many disabled people struggle with depression and a sense of worthlessness. We know they are not worthless, but many still feel that way. Many feel (and some believe) that no one needs them. They feel as if they just take up other peoples’ time and can’t give anything in return. A dog can break this cycle. A service dog needs their person’s care as much as their person needs their dog’s help. Many people with service dogs have explained how they feel a sense of purpose in caring for their canine friends. Here is someone who appreciates them and needs them. Many people say that their service dog is the reason they can get up in the morning.

In the words of Bridget Reynolds, a young woman who has a service dog: “If you are not a disabled person with a service dog I don't expect you to understand. My boy is my world. He helps me live my life. He is a lifeline. Regular pet owners might spend an hour or two with their pets at night. Maybe a half hour actively engaging them. I spend all day with my service dog. From the moment I wake up until the moment I fall asleep. And that entire time is not him working. That is us playing in my yard, swimming, going to the park, going to a store, going for a walk, etc. I benefit from having him around, but he also benefits by having a much fuller, more active life by being a part of mine. He is much more excited at the prospective of being with me all day than being stuck at home alone for 8 hours. He is not a robot despite what you may think. If a dog isn't bonding with the disabled person, you didn't make the correct match. Service dogs should be matched based off of skills and personality. People enjoy having purpose. So do dogs. Many were bred for jobs whether it be for farms, for herding, for hunting, etc. Are those dogs unhappy, too? Many of those breeds are often destructive around the house when they don't have a job or task to do. Many intelligent breeds get bored and therefore depressed or unruly.”

 

 

 

 

In the end, it all depends on who you get your service dog from. Some programs are better than others. If you or someone you know needs a service dog, do some careful research into the program to decide if you think their methods of training and matching up are ethical and right for you.

 

 

Sources:

www.cci.org/site/c.cdKGIRNqEmG…

www.chicagonow.com/steve-dales…

servicedogcentral.org/forum/in…

servicedogcentral.org/forum/in…

www.paws4autism.com/asd

usdogregistry.org/?gclid=CJO8-…

www.pawsitivityservicedogs.com…

support.freedomservicedogs.org…

collegian.csufresno.edu/2013/0…

www.warriorcanineconnection.or…

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BleuHunter1 [2021-02-12 14:06:51 +0000 UTC]

When out with my own service dog I actually had this happen to me. Some PETA Karen came up to me and said I was no different then a confederate slave owner and that I was part of the reason why racism still exists cause I believe in slavery. Uhhhn... no? I think slavery is very wrong and that racism should not be tolerated. I can also 100% guarantee you my service dog is way more pampered and spoiled then any slave has been and gets excited whenever I get his vest to put on him.

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MonocerosArts In reply to BleuHunter1 [2021-06-08 20:34:04 +0000 UTC]

The fact is that dogs don’t think like people, nor do they have the same needs. They want and need food, safety, enrichment, and companionship, all of which they get through a service dog relationship.

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BleuHunter1 In reply to MonocerosArts [2021-10-29 23:50:01 +0000 UTC]

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MonocerosArts In reply to Brightstarfernclan [2021-01-29 05:06:51 +0000 UTC]

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CalvinatorNJ [2020-07-06 15:34:37 +0000 UTC]

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RollingEevee [2020-03-28 01:25:06 +0000 UTC]

As a future service dog owner myself, I really appreciate this.  Before now, I'd only ever heard stories of service dog handlers getting flak for owning a service dog, being told that they abuse it, brainwash it to do their bidding, that they don't need it, etc.  But I never knew people believing that a service dog was never properly cared for, was always brainwashed, or was abused was such a big thing.  But now that I do, my arguments are "if the animal is not socialized, why is it so well behaved?", "if it is brainwashed to only follow orders, why does it show signs of caring very deeply for its handler?", "if the dog doesn't get anything out of the relationship, why is it so ready to help its handler when they're in need?", "if the animal is not cared for, why does it not show fear or aggression towards its handler?", and lastly "Service dogs save lives, ya twats!"
I can even personally argue a few of these as, unlike a lot of people apparently, I purchased my dog with the intention of turning him into my service dog when he was old enough (yes, I know I should adopt but my mother is allergic and we wanted a bigger dog and only had experience with standard poodles, and it's usually very difficult to find those in a shelter).  I can't even begin to describe how strong the bond between my dog and I has grown since we brought him home, and how much I've already begun to depend on him, despite him not even beginning his training yet.  These people need to learn that service dogs are just as much of a companion as pets dogs are, and sometimes even more so as often times, handlers entrust their very lives to these dogs, and putting that much faith in another isn't exactly the easiest thing to do.

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MonocerosArts In reply to RollingEevee [2020-03-30 20:57:13 +0000 UTC]

A lot of people value animals higher than people. In my person experience, every single person I've ever come across who does that was hurt in some way by people. People like that honestly might not care what happens to a disabled person. It's horrible, but there are people out there like that.

Then there are also people who see animals as if they were human instead of trying to see things through the animal's eyes as its instincts and intelligence allow. They see animals, animals' feelings, and animals' intelligence as if they were human feelings. It's like they think of animals as if we all lived in a Disney movie. I think extremely highly of animals, but they are very different from us. They want and need different things. For example, dogs have pack instincts that we don't have. We're social creatures, but we're not really pack animals like dogs are. Pack instincts are actually satisfied through service animal behavior and bonding with their handler, which is why service dogs are happy to do what they do.

Now that being said, I do believe that if a person is not willing or is not able to properly care for and enrich the life of their service animal, then they either need a human caretaker instead, or a human caretaker who can also give there service animal what they need. All that starts getting incredibly expensive, and as a person with a mental disability, I can tell you that it is extremely difficult for disabled people to get and keep jobs. For people with mental disabilities, it's difficult for us to know how, where, and when to look for jobs, we don't perform well in interviews, etc., and for people with physical disabilities, they're limited by what they can physically do, so a lot of jobs are just off-limits for them. And while the abled world likes to say "it's illegal for employers to discriminate based on disability," but how do you prove that a company didn't hire you because of your disability? A company's response is "we found someone more qualified," but after years and years of failure and working High Schooler jobs your whole life, you know that's not the reason they're rejecting you. So unless a disabled person has a generous, rich friend or family member, or they marry a rich person, most of us live in a state of constant debt and/or poverty. Fun times.

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QuixoticCatters [2019-11-04 12:16:23 +0000 UTC]

As a service dog handler, my dog loves work. He has spent the same amount of time out of work than in work, and he would much rather go on a walk all day than sit around in our yard. My dog loves his work, and I really do rely on him, to them it truly is just a massive walk. Especially for my collie, who needs to have at least some form of task to be happy.

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MonocerosArts In reply to QuixoticCatters [2019-11-05 02:21:29 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. Just like people, dogs need tasks to be happy. That’s why a lot of them like games like fetch. Not all dogs are suited to be service dogs, but those that are love it.

The idea that service dogs are “slaves” is thinking of the dog as if it were a human. It doesn’t want payment, it wants love and appreciation.

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QuixoticCatters In reply to MonocerosArts [2019-11-06 12:05:35 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. Plus, we listen to our dogs. I have had times where I've had to go without him, simply because he didn't want to work that day.

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SX-Donutbandit [2018-12-07 03:56:27 +0000 UTC]

"This generally comes from the fact that animal rights extremists believe that animals are equal to humans and have the same intrinsic rights as humans"
I'm not exactly an extremist myself, but by the laws on nature, humans and animals are equal. Not one species is more or less important than another. We're all citizens of Earth and we should be respected as such.
And by the way, humans are biologically animals themselves. Saying that they're more important than animals is saying that humans are more important than themselves. Does that make sense?
Seriously, just be grateful that you have animals and that your race aren't eating each other to survive. That's what we call the apocalypse.

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MonocerosArts In reply to SX-Donutbandit [2018-12-07 04:03:45 +0000 UTC]

I reworded it to make it more clear. My apologies.

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Kissasheep [2018-12-05 11:42:31 +0000 UTC]

i know a friend with a pet cat that is her emotional support

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MonocerosArts In reply to Kissasheep [2018-12-07 04:04:57 +0000 UTC]

Right? If the animal is happy, then there’s really no problem. The animal gets care, attention, and love, and the human gets the help they need. I see it as a win-win!

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flaminqobones [2018-03-09 02:58:05 +0000 UTC]

Sometimes I wish I had my own service dog, or just a dog. I have a cat, and I love her, but I love dogs too. I just can't get one since my mom and I aren't home for the majority of the day, and dogs require much more attention and care than a cat. I am, however, hoping I can volunteer at animal shelters so I can meet some dogs and maybe see if someone I know can own a dog. 
The reason I want a service dog isn't just because I love dogs, but because I've been dealing with some emotional struggles, such as bipolar depression and anxiety, and usually being with an animal can help me. I do watch videos about dogs, but it's not exactly the same thing, if you know what I'm saying.

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MonocerosArts In reply to flaminqobones [2018-03-13 05:09:49 +0000 UTC]

Have you thought about getting an emotional support dog? They're not as heavily trained as a service dog, and thus I don't think they're as expensive, but they are still technically service dogs, so they're allowed into most places. Pets can also go through a training program to learn how to behave. It's not as rigorous as most service animal training.

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flaminqobones In reply to MonocerosArts [2018-03-13 20:00:19 +0000 UTC]

I was considering something like that. 
As I was mentioning, I was also considering volunteering at an animal shelter so I could visit with dogs. I went to a volunteer fair recently to check out some places like that and I met a few very nice service dogs and emotional support dogs there. 

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WingedWolfofHope In reply to flaminqobones [2018-04-06 19:51:42 +0000 UTC]

Actually, emotional support dogs are only provided special access rights regarding housing and flying in the US. That's it. Emotional support dogs don't have any other special rights in places that aren't pet-friendly, unless you live in one of the very few US cities or towns that give emotional support dogs special rights (you have to check your local laws to find that out). However, there is such a thing as psychiatric service dogs, which are different. The difference is that emotional support dogs are not task trained to mitigate a disability, they just provide comfort by merely existing, while psychiatric service dogs are simply a type of service dog for psychiatric disabilities, and as such, psychiatric service dogs are task trained. Because psychiatric service dogs are service dogs, they can go pretty much everywhere with you.

But do you need a psychiatric service dog or an emotional support dog? Can you not do certain things for yourself (major life activities) due to your psychiatric disabilities? If so, you qualify for a psychiatric service dog. But if not, you qualify for an emotional support dog, not a psychiatric service dog. Seeing as how you said just being around an animal helps you, you most likely just need an emotional support dog.

Also, not all service dogs are super expensive unless you go through a service dog program or hire a professional trainer to train your dog to become a service dog. Some programs provide service dogs to qualifying people for free, but other programs can have you pay up to $20,000 or maybe even more for one of their service dogs. Owner training a dog to become a service dog without any help or with little help from a professional trainer is definitely the cheapest option of getting a service dog, and yes, it's legal to train your dog to become a service dog on your own, and you don't necessarily have to be a certified dog trainer. However, if you choose this option, you have to 100% know what you're doing. If you can't even train a dog to do basic commands such as sit, don't choose this option.

Btw, I have a psychiatric service dog myself and I've read the federal laws, so that's how I know this . I just wanted to give you some info and help you out if/when you get a dog in the future.

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flaminqobones In reply to WingedWolfofHope [2018-04-06 20:31:56 +0000 UTC]

Okay, thanks c:
I can generally do things on my own, so I would qualify more for an emotional support dog.

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ellie590 [2017-08-28 15:39:33 +0000 UTC]

Service dogs are being used for the betterment and convenience of people.
This is wrong animals are just as valuable as people and dogs are the most abused of all. they are not allowed the same freedom as a rat or rabbit, to live their own natural lives mate with their own kind and live a normal life. Yes you may say they will be taken care of and live longer with human intervention. this is probably true but how would you like to be taken into the home of another creature. be neutered and kept from normal human behaviour, not allowed to have children or any kind of life of your own. Just to serve the creature who 'adopted' you. You might be well cared for and live to 150 year old but I bet you would hate it.

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nvsebleed In reply to ellie590 [2018-12-08 02:11:03 +0000 UTC]

i feel like you're trolling, but as a person with a service dog, i can tell you that service dogs are not abused. service dogs are not working all the time, they have time off when they are at home where they are allowed to do whatever they want, like play and roll around and be regular dogs. only when they are working do they have to serve their owners, and they are still not being abused when they are working. service animals are chosen when they are young because they display the traits that they could be good at. for example, a dog could be chosen because they really like to retrieve things that people have dropped or thrown. they could then be trained to help people with impaired movement retrieve things they have dropped, to save the person some pain. the dog enjoys the task and still helps the person. maybe when dogs used to be wild animals, it would be cruel to force them to live with us, but dogs are domesticated now. they need our support to survive, hence why so many dogs and cats die out on the streets.

here's my service dog, just in case you want to call him unhappy:

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SX-Donutbandit In reply to ellie590 [2018-12-07 03:57:20 +0000 UTC]

To say that dogs are more abued than other species is an insult to circus animals. Everyone is a victim.

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BleuHunter1 In reply to ellie590 [2017-09-26 03:12:45 +0000 UTC]

Dog are not wolves, foxes, any type of wild animal. We have bred the wild out of them, and this is why when some dogs become strays or are dumped on the  streets, they dont survive long. Domestic dairy cows wouldn't do well in the wild, same with house cats and other farm-life animals. Sure feral dogs and cats do ok, but it actually is not what they were breed to be. They were bred to be with humans as companions and workers for various reasons. I have trained dogs, worked with them and owned a few. They love to work, they love the fact they have a purpose and a job to do. Allowing animals to be un-neutered and having unwanted puppies and kittens that will just get hit by cars on the streets, does that sound better? Or does a quick vet visit and a snip sound better then animals starving on the streets.

they look happy to me.



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theferretman21 In reply to BleuHunter1 [2018-10-30 03:51:21 +0000 UTC]

Not that most of your points are wrong, but cats do amazing in the wild. Why do you think so many feral populations exist. Also, pigs, goats, etc. can easily do the same. I agree completely with the rest though.

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BleuHunter1 In reply to theferretman21 [2018-10-30 04:03:00 +0000 UTC]

Why is it then that cats that live outdoors, be it feral or not, have a life expectancy that is only 3 to 4 years, where a house cat can live to be 10, 12 and even 20 with the right care. They are still not meant for the wild, and even if they do well for a few years, they eventually will succumb to the elements, be it weather, other animals / cars (etc.) or starve to death. A lot more feral cats die from this then those that actually live rather long lives as a feral, and there are so many populations of them because cats breed very quickly. Only a few days after giving birth, a female cat can go right back into heat and once again get pregnant with a litter already under her care. They are worse then rabbits, and its breeding season 24/7 for them. That's why there is such a huge population of them, not that they do well in the wild or on the streets. In colder places, feral cats drop like flies when it gets cold enough to snow, because they are just not built to deal with the harshness of nature. Maybe for a short time, but not all the time.  
Pigs and goats yes can escape and do a little better in the wild, but not as well as a true wild boar or goat. Same for cats and dogs. 

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theferretman21 In reply to BleuHunter1 [2018-10-30 04:57:02 +0000 UTC]

A. Pigs were never truly wild, and easily become a wild boar expy in weeks. This allows them to survive much like their wild ancestors.

B. Never knew that about cats, anyways a cat dumped into the wild is still likely to survive longer than either of the examples you gave, hence why I brought it up.

C. I can never find an average lifespan for feral animals, probably because of the (deserved) get rid of them mentality we have of them.

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BleuHunter1 In reply to theferretman21 [2018-10-30 05:44:33 +0000 UTC]

Why are you laying this out in bullet points? Do you think I didn't understand you the first time? 

Yes, pigs use to be wild. They are called wild boars, and some time ago we took wild boars and domesticated them into being livestock. However, it is not a good example, on your part (As well as goats) because not much has changed about them. WE mostly domesticated them to be less aggressive and fearful, as well as more dependent so we in turn can eat them. However, we did not do that with cats or dogs. They have changed drastically from their wild ancestors, and there for, do not do well in the wild or even as ferals. 
Be that as it may, you said they can change over the coarse of weeks? Well that still depends heavily on luck, and the odds are not in the pigs favor, unless he can learn and learn fast. Which probably means more or less likely, if a domesticated pig gets loose, it will be dead that night. Not use to things like harsh elements, or enemies like wolves and cougars. Or perhaps even shot by a hunter. 

But if pigs were never truly wild, then that contradicts what you said about how they can be put in the wild and convert back to a wild state. If they never were truly wild, then how is it they can learn to live and survive like their wild ancestors? Despite being able to learn and live in the wild, it is still highly likely they will not live as long as a wild boar, and surely die much quicker then one. So still, no. They can not make it in the wild. Its like saying a person can survive in the wild for five years, then gets killed by a bear. It doesn't mean they reverted back to their wild state, it means they got very lucky, had a good run, then died. Same for all domesticated animals that end up in the wild. Live for a few days (or years if you are lucky), have a good run of luck that suddenly dries up with unforeseen circumstances, get killed by something way earlier in life then your truly wild brethren.

As for the cats. This isn't a Warrior Cats rp, this is real life. What I stated as examples is fact, they do horribly in the wild and on the streets, and die by the millions each year due to over breeding of cat colonies and the lack of capability to survive on their own. Why are they still on the streets / in the wild then? Because they have become so unsocial that they can not be placed in homes. There for, the only thing we can do is T.N.R. Trap, neuter, release and let nature take its course in wiping out the feral cat issue.

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Sparklet-Rayne In reply to ellie590 [2017-09-06 21:30:08 +0000 UTC]

Dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years and a great variety of breeds have been designed for specific tasks. They are social animals that love to serve their pack because it gives them a sense of purpose. Dogs don't have the same sort of brain function as people and thus can't make high order thinking. Setting them free without any skill on how to live would be a death sentence for many breeds. Also keep in mind that living out a natural life isn't some paradise because animals have to compete with other species and their own kind even if they are wild. They get sick, injured, subject to the elements, and even starve. It isn't pretty or pleasant how animals live or die in the wild. By the way, according to the latest research dogs most likely adopted people first by scavenging their leftovers and became proto dogs and then people adopted dogs as part of their clans. Domestication doesn't happen overnight. The bond far deeper than mere service and dogs are known as the best friends of mankind.

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MonocerosArts In reply to ellie590 [2017-08-28 18:31:30 +0000 UTC]

...except the dogs clearly enjoy their lives and their work.

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ctesy [2017-08-27 17:55:54 +0000 UTC]

Some people use them as slaves since some fuckers try to fake it.

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bogexplosion [2017-08-27 06:26:24 +0000 UTC]

Well, PETA is a ominous pyrimid of absolute evil. We're talking about an organization that gives people portable euthenasia kits. So terrorists on their payroll can sneak into people's yards and kidnap and kill people's kittens (there's video, look it up). All because they believe death is preferable to pet ownership. Dissing on service animals is the least of their issues.

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MonocerosArts In reply to bogexplosion [2017-08-27 22:14:24 +0000 UTC]

Yup. I've had my fair share of run-ins with the bad side of animal rights, and it's not pretty.

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Sparklet-Rayne [2017-07-21 07:38:39 +0000 UTC]

I so grateful for service animals. I don't have any/needed any myself thank goodness. They do services better than other people and machines. The connection to animals go back before civilization. Heck most are bred and raised to serve those who are disabled in some way. Heck I would like to see any PETA activists serve someone with such disabilities for their whole lives and try and do it better for free. Gosh such a misguided group at best.

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MonocerosArts In reply to Sparklet-Rayne [2017-08-28 18:30:34 +0000 UTC]

Check out this new comment on here: 

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Sparklet-Rayne In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-08-31 05:03:33 +0000 UTC]

Umm... what comment? 

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MonocerosArts In reply to Sparklet-Rayne [2017-08-31 20:11:37 +0000 UTC]

comments.deviantart.com/1/5881… Sorry about that. Life has been pretty awful for me lately.

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MonocerosArts In reply to Sparklet-Rayne [2017-08-31 20:09:24 +0000 UTC]

The one that was supposed to have pasted. Ugh. Hold on a second.

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MonocerosArts In reply to Sparklet-Rayne [2017-07-21 17:49:16 +0000 UTC]

I have to agree. The issue with people like that is that they value the animals higher than the people. I value animals very highly, but I value humans more highly. I believe people should be willing to make sacrifices for the sake of animals (such as globally limiting our population by only having 2-3 kids maximum), but I don't believe anyone should suffer for the sake of animals.

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Sparklet-Rayne In reply to MonocerosArts [2017-07-21 22:32:39 +0000 UTC]

That's one of the reasons why I support animal welfare not animal rights. Animals deserve to be treated humanely and cared for but they can't make the same decisions in the same way as people do. It's quite uncommon/rare for service animals to be abused or neglected thank goodness.

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SweetDreamsMonkey [2017-04-22 01:45:02 +0000 UTC]

Oh, that wacky PETA. I wonder what their thought process is. Are they born this way? Or does a member's sanity deteriorate over time?

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MonocerosArts In reply to SweetDreamsMonkey [2017-04-22 02:42:10 +0000 UTC]

Occasionally some service dogs aren't allowed to have free time, and I do have a problem with that, but that's pretty rare. I think what PETA people are upset about is that the person is being treated as more important than the dog, not necessarily how well the dog is being treated.

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SweetDreamsMonkey In reply to SweetDreamsMonkey [2017-04-22 01:45:52 +0000 UTC]

Whoops. Said it twice. 

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HCShannon [2017-01-11 00:06:32 +0000 UTC]

Dogs aren't our slaves, we're their slaves!

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Smoking-Wrecker2814 In reply to HCShannon [2019-01-02 06:16:36 +0000 UTC]

Same can be said for cats.

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Tortive In reply to HCShannon [2018-05-17 21:17:53 +0000 UTC]

I say that about my cats.

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HCShannon In reply to Tortive [2018-05-18 14:16:39 +0000 UTC]

Yeah

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shark235 [2016-12-31 00:10:30 +0000 UTC]

Some ARA are just insane. They probably want to free guide horses too.
Sorry,I forgotten that I already commented on here.

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MonocerosArts In reply to shark235 [2016-12-31 16:49:00 +0000 UTC]

Pretty much every movement has its extremists, sadly. Is it just me, or does it seem the extremists are the ones who end up in power?

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shark235 In reply to MonocerosArts [2016-12-31 22:39:03 +0000 UTC]

I don't think that it's just you.

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