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Published: 2012-05-24 10:46:11 +0000 UTC; Views: 4818; Favourites: 263; Downloads: 10
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"If Churches care so much about politics, then they should pay taxes like everyone else!"Based off the following quote by George Carlin:
“I don't know how you feel, but I'm pretty sick of church people. You know what they ought to do with churches? Tax them. If holy people are so interested in politics, government, and public policy, let them pay the price of admission like everybody else. The Catholic Church alone could wipe out the national debt if all you did was tax their real estate.”
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You cannot tax the word of God or you will roast in the deepest chamber of Hell.
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says the person with a vore icon lmao
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Name one verse in the Bible that condemns vore.
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I can think of quite a few that condemn pornography.
Matthew 5:27-28
"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY'; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
James 1:14-15
But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it.
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
Galatians 5:19
Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Psalm 119:9-10
How can a young man keep his way pure? By keeping it according to Your word. With all my heart I have sought You; Do not let me wander from Your commandments.
Proverbs 6:25
Do not desire her beauty in your heart, Nor let her capture you with her eyelids.
You can read more here bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics…
I grew up christian, porn is a big no no.
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Pornography: "Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings." Vore doesn't show anything sexual by itself and there's even a vore story in the Bible.
Lust: "Intense sexual desire." Vore doesn't involve sex.
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'but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart'
'everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart'
'looks at a woman with lust for her'
'lust'
lmao there ya go, lust is sinful
also, lust is one of the 7 deadly sins. Arent you a good christian.
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But I don't desire sex with them, I desire to be eaten by them.
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Bust you lust to be eaten by them, so you still have lust in your heart. And lust, no matter which way you out it, is one of the deadliest of sins.
You look at those images for arousal, which is lust.
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So basically simply wanting something is lusting after it?
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yeah, religion is fucked dude
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I'm sorry but it's just a stamp and isn't a church part of the state as well? OxO
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What most people ignore is that the church and state is not separate, the church is in the state.
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You people here must lack.....understanding of government, I mean....it's just so stupid. YOU KNOW TAXES ARE ILLEGAL RIGHT? They are not taxing you, they are taxing the CORPORATE YOU as a sorta scapegoat to pay for their debt. The persons you died in a hospital, when the doctor takes a blood sample from your foot, they take it to the department of health, where if you don't claim it in a couple days.....THEY OWN THE CORPORATE YOU BY CLAIMING THE PERSONS YOU IS DEAD, THEY ARE COMMIT FRAUD . You not having understanding doesn't know any better, think that you are actually the CORPORATE YOU, but you are not.
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When I read this, all I can imagine is "Foil" by Weird Al Yankovic playing.
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Damn, I haven't heard that in a while...
But it is true tho.
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My house is non-profit. I'm not using it for monetary purposes. Give me tax exempt.
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Churches and religious institutions are exempted from taxes as their revenue is understood to be spent for social welfare and not for private interest. I heard recently about the Vatican stashing away billions in Euros off the books but I do not anything about churches interfering in politics in the western world. However, after learning about the Scientology crap, their main business seems real estate to me.
For further reading, I recommend Going clear: Scientology and Prison of belief.
P.S: I have a different stand on taxation but that is irrelevant here.
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Yep. Want a say in politics? Pay taxes. Otherwise, keep out.
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So much for separation of State from Church.
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Right.... this? This is why I love you so freakin' hard right now.
Well said. Well said, indeed.
Mandi Pope
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it's funny that people say this, as if Jesus didn't say the same thing Himself. www.biblegateway.com/passage/?…
the secular world says plenty of things that Jesus Himself said and tries to turn them around against Him.
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This stamp should just be removed.
Look at all the comments. lol
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fun fact Churches are non profit organizations. Other things that are non profit are science centers, charities, campaigns, many hospitals and shelters. All of these get involved with the government in some way. Are you saying you want to tax them too? Or are you just being bias?
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The problem with many* churches that ask you to tide them by giving 10% of your earnings is that most of the time it doesn't go to anything beneficial outside of the church (e.g. sheltering and/or feeding the homeless). It usually goes towards maintenance to the church facilities and right into the pastor's pockets^. And it doesn't help that the 10% is usually a flat rate, meaning that people in the lower classes spend more of their money that is better-off spent on commodities such as food, heating, bills/taxes etc.
*not all
^youtu.be/EsoC10TFCy4
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that's like saying charity is bad because some don't help as much as they should.
And churches don't make you tide just like organizations and charities don't make you donate.
all types of nonprofit have been guilty of miss using donations.
Red cross for example over pays the CEO, and charges high amounts for training in things like CPR.
A Zoo near my house is non profit but the workers still get payed and the zoo still sells merch and food.
So again if you tax one nonprofit then tax them all. Taxing one and not the others is flat out being bias.
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The only thing is that churches are non profit, and therefore cannot get the money. It would be unfair for religious people to have to pay to do this stuff.
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How does paying taxes mean you care about politics? Taxation is by its very nature paying for the political agenda and idea of someone else.
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Joe she's a liberal. Don't try to argue with her. She will fail to see the logic in this if it doesn't agree with her views. ~ C
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The problem with the idea of taxing churches is the fact that they're non-profit. Individuals among the church still all pay taxes, but establishing a sort of "shrine tax" that a non-profit organization has to pay would be the opposite of what I personally think should be the case (I think the corporate tax should be removed for a similar reason I think there shouldn't be a church tax). Priests and clergymen all pay taxes, just like CEOS do. They just pay it as people and not parts of the church.
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Perhaps you should explain that to her. I hate to be mean but she has used some of the most paper thin arguments I've ever seen on DA. Case and point, fav.me/d551sfa, fav.me/d4zaivn. ~ C
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The Killer fetus argument doesn't even make sense to me. People are born without morality. What makes serial killers the way they are are based on environments and issues that happen after the baby is already born, so how can pro-life women even conceive the idea that their fetus may end up being a serial killer, and one who cherishes life and cherishes her fetus would likely do everything in her power to prevent that from happenoing.
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That was my point. I tore through her argument in two seconds. I'm ok with people being pro-choice and there have been several arguments that have made me think. However this one... its just, just. No ~ C
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I'm moderately pro-life. I can sympathize with a woman's financial and emotional situations with having a baby and giving birth to it, but if someone consciously makes the choice to risk having a baby, as far as I'm concerned they should be prepared to at least put it up for adoption. ._.
Obviously in the case of rape though, it's a different story.
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A non-profit organization cannot earn money to pay for taxes. Especially with today's inflation. It's a service, not a business.
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Um, no. When people tide the church, the person benefitting the most from it is the Pastor and the higher-ups in the religion. Hell, the former Pope received a one-off FERRARI ENZO!! A multi-million dollar SUPERCAR!!! So don't go around calling the church a Non-profit organization.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsoC10…
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Actually, a "non-profit" organization (as defined by the government) is one without shareholders.
Yes, churches make money, but aren't displayed as such. Therefore, the government probably won't choose to tax them. Also, probably because they're a religious organization as well.
Schools and hospitals are "non-profit", too.
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Yes, but the fact that people are duped out of their money, and the government doesn't even beat an eyelid due to it having the "religion" label, just sickens me because how they are able to make millions by practically scamming the public.
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That's why the Church NEEDS to pay taxes. It doesn't help that Christians Protested that Obamacare was an "affront to their religious rights" because they thought that "funding contraceptives=forced to use them" which is completely untrue, and every Christian in America has received a tax exemption from Obamacare, which makes contraceptives out of more peoples' reach, and affecting the human rights of everyone.
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As long as the Separation of Church and State exists, the Government will never be able to tax churches carte blanche. Really, you should be thankful for that. You don't wanna know the kinds of political favors 71 billion dollars a year in taxes would buy them.
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However, the US is definitely looking like it's becoming more and more of a theocracy, with several of the southern states flat-out banning atheists from taking office, not helped by the fact that the majority of active voters are Christian, things in the US are eventually gonna lead to the US becoming a theocracy like many areas with Islam as the main religion, only worse due to the US spending more on military expenses than any other portion of the world.
This is a worst-case scenario but it can happen
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If a voting majority doesn't want an atheist in office, they don't have to elect one. The majority calls the shots, that's how voting works. Getting the government involved, and having them tell people to leave their beliefs outside of the voting booth, is a direct violation of the first amendment, as would be taxing the churches. The power to tax is also the power to control, and dissolve if they see fit. Our founding fathers wanted no part of the government having a monetary stake in the churches, because the government controlling the church is one of the things their ancestors were escaping from in the first place.
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You make some very good points
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George Carlin never thought that hypothetical through to its full conclusion.
I think most people have a misunderstanding of why churches don't pay taxes though. It is not because Churches are getting out of a bill it is to protect government from church influence. Let me put it like this. You know what pays taxes? A corporation. You know what gets to donate unlimited money to political campaigns, hire full time lobbyists, and endorse candidates? A corporation. Do you know what the wealthiest and oldest institution on the planet is? The Roman Catholic church. Do you think they might get involved politically if all of a sudden they have the option to?
Right now churches bang on the gate, but I don't think the solution is to open the gate and invite them in.
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They SHOULD NOT BE FUCK NO WHERE NEAR POLITRICKS!
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