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Published: 2013-05-27 17:37:43 +0000 UTC; Views: 1760; Favourites: 105; Downloads: 1
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Too often, various deities get credit for the hard work that doctors have done to save someone or to better their lives. This is just a simple reminder to thank a doctor for the long hours they've dedicated to their career in order to save lives.Texture: 70 Icon textures - 2303 by ~Missesglass
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Yes, but saying Doctors didn't help you because they didn't get help from God will be like saying God never makes babies; which the bible does clearly state that. Of course, that is the Christians' biblical worldview.
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Well, if you're coming at this from a certain point of view, the Creator/s made that mind and all the "shoulders of giants" they are standing on . . . but yes, they should be thanked.
One of my best friend has parents who are both doctors . . . they were regaling me with tales of people coming into the clinics to get free painkillers and care for when they eat themselves into multiple hundreds of pounds and drink themselves into liver failure.
If only we had a vaccine against stupidity.
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I don't think I have ever seen a doctor complain about this on the internet.
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Thank fire-fighters and police officers, too.
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Definitely! The Fire fighters in my area are definitely deserving of many thanks, we had some really bad bushfires last month in NSW and they handled them beautifully.
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Fires? Oh dear, I hope everyone's okay.
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The firefighters did a really good job, mostly everyone is okay though it did a great deal of damage.
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My uncle's a doctor; I'll be sure to thank him next time I see him ^^
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Doctors are great. They save lives every day and are deserving of all the thanks in the world 
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I simply thank out of manners and because I think they deserve it, although I don't think it should be an obligation (they ARE getting paid). But yes, I believe they deserve more credit than a deity that may or may not exist.
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Without doctors, the world would likely be considerably darker and more dangerous. Disease, injury, congenital problems, and even just birth has taken a huge toll in human lives throughout history. Its absolutely amazing just how good people are at patching others up and treating conditions.
And then there is prevention... I can get injected with something that has a damn good chance of keeping me healthy? Sweet mother of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is it nice to have vaccines.
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I most certainly will, including a group of eleven of them. XD
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As a religious person I would say the most a deity does for me is give me comfort while I am in the hospital since I have a phobia , the doctor does the saving. Besides when it comes to a monotheistic all powerful god I find it rather disgusting when someone says "god saved me" (even tho a doctor did) when a family right next to them is grieving the loss of someone. "God" is perfect so there is no excuse for that. Doctors are human and not perfect they try as hard as they can, not all injuries and sicknesses can be healed.
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Some doctors as well as nurses are in dangerous positions. They don't get to pick and choose their patients. As such they may be saving a gang member or a terrorist. After knowing that I have a lot of respect for more doctors and nurses. I really can't say that for the ones around my area though. A lot of them seem to screw things up when it comes to surgery. I could count it off as a fluke, but there has been enough people to assert that it was just outright negligence that I don't think what they do here is flukes, but I acknowledge that it isn't like that everywhere.
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We owe the Doctor a lot.
Seriously though, it infuriates me when I see people praising some sky-daddy for the work of mortal men. I got into an argument with some schmuck on here, can't remember his username, but he left me with the wonderfully stupid quote "Any action not taken for god may have not as well been taken at all".
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If there was a religion about the Doctor, I might reconsider my atheism
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Doctor saves a Patient's life, people praise God.
Patient dies in hospital, people blame the Doctor.
Double standard much?
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Because they are too damn scared to blame their god. I'll do it for them if they want haha.
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It's obnoxious to see people thank god for the work of real people, isn't it?
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No point in thanking a deity that is more like an absentee landlord than anything else.
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Thank you. This is perfect.
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Brigham Young once said, "Work as if everything depends on you, pray as if everything depends on God." Something fundies that believe in concepts like "faith healing" don't seem to grasp. Yes, there are miracles, but God isn't going to help those who do nothing.
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Agreed. I may be a firm believer in God, but I am just as much a believer in the human heroes who save lives. I know too many people who praise God and forget that he worked through someone else. A person. Who deserves appreciation.
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So you are saying that
Evidence that any of that is actually going on?
To me, saying that god "works" through doctors is an insult to their skills and the effort they have to go through in order to fulfill their job.
My apologies, I...
Let me try and explain, and you'll have to forgive how bad I am at it.
I feel that it's all the doctors skill. The doctor does the work, deserves the credit, as you say. I, and my family, believe that when a doctor saves a life, God can use that action as a miracle, sort of. So like, if a doctor saved you, God could use that action, that opportunity, to speak in your mind, reveal himself to you. While I believe God is capable of possession, and I believe there are cases where he performs a miracle through possession, I don't think he possesses doctors. I think he uses their skill, but they are the ones performing the skill.
If that made sense.
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That sounds like a very convenient way of having your god do absolutely no work, and take half the credit. No, I don't think it makes sense, and I think it cheapens the skill and hard work of the people who studied hard to become surgeons, doctors, pediatricians, etc.
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"God can use that action as a miracle"
"God could use that action, that opportunity, to speak in your mind, reveal himself to you"
"I believe God is capable of possession, and I believe there are cases where he performs a miracle through possession,"
Once again: Evidence that ANY of that actually happens or has happened?
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Care to give some evidence that it doesn't? I could tell you factual instances but I'm guessing my inability to provide citation will render me a "classic case of babbling Christian fool", right?
I didn't realize that my approval of a stamp required you to attack my faith. I was hoping that this conversation could be friendly. Care to explain where the animosity came from?
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"Care to give some evidence that it doesn't?"
Very well. Let's play the "Shifting the Burden of Proof" game:
In Akihabara - Japan I own a house made out of pure gold, and I also have a throne of diamonds inside of it. I also own a pet alien that I keep locked in there. Care to give some evidence that this is not true?
Also, our heavenly mother Amaterasu, the one true creator of our universe, contacted me through my immortal heart and warned me about a mass of false gods who would rise to deceive the masses, among them Allah, Yahweh and Brahman. Care to give some evidence that this is not happening?
Finally, The Force, as portrayed in Star Wars, is real. You can control matter and energy with your thoughts, just like the Jedi. You can even control your immediate environment to fly just like Goku. Thing is, we humans have this amazing skill buried deep within our immortal hearts. Care to give some evidence this is not true?
Saying "God x performs miracles on people being healed by doctors" or "God y is capable of possessing people" are premises that need extraordinary evidence to be taken seriously. Without evidence, we have no reason or motivation to believe they are part of reality. Maybe they COULD be real... but where's the evidence that proves it?
"I could tell you factual instances but I'm guessing my inability to provide citation will render me a "classic case of babbling Christian fool", right? "
If by factual instances you mean "Something we cannot explain scientifically (yet) happened... therefore, my god did it!!", then that would not be a factual instance; that would just be using the argument from ignorance. Like when people have cancerous tumors and their body reabsorbs them. You say your god did it? Prove it.
I hope you understand the problem with answering "You can't prove he didn't" to this.
"I didn't realize that my approval of a stamp required you to attack my faith."
You could've chosen to not engage in this conversation and ignore me if you felt "attacked".
You can believe in anything you want to believe, really. If you want to believe god X works "miracles" in people being healed by doctors, fine. But, you should also realize that without objective Evidence that supports your beliefs, you have no ground to think that those beliefs are actually accurate with reality.
"I was hoping that this conversation could be friendly. Care to explain where the animosity came from?"
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm unfriendly. Also, the spread of superstitions in this modern age makes me sick.
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I don't have to provide evidence that any of those things didn't occur-- why? Because I'm not the one challenging another's faith. I'm personally in the process of reevaluating my religion, and considering changing it. I can't firmly assert anything for fact, and don't choose to, honestly. You seem to have ignored the "I believe" statements throughout what I said. Plenty of people believe things, and none of us can prove any of it. I don't profess to know any more about the universe than yourself.
I do hope you realize my stance that I don't have to prove anything, because I'm not the one trying to disprove a belief.
Why would I ignore it? You're equal to me and deserve my focus, same as I deserve yours. Coulda ignored my comment if you felt like disagreeing, right?
I'm quite curious for your evidence to support your own belief. I really am.
In this modern age?
Forget the paragraph I have written in my head. Let me just ask.
What the hell about religion is so "Modern"?
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"I don't have to provide evidence that any of those things didn't occur-- why? Because I'm not the one challenging another's faith."
"I do hope you realize my stance that I don't have to prove anything, because I'm not the one trying to disprove a belief."
What I've been asking you for since the beginning of this conversation is EVIDENCE. Extraordinary evidence that demonstrates Yahweh (of all gods) works "miracles" on people being worked on by doctors.
You don't want to tell me the extraordinary evidence that made *you* believe such a phenomenon is actually going on? Fine. Don't.
However, if you have no extraordinary evidence that supports that particular belief, then you are just believing because you want to believe because you want to believe because you want to believe because you want to believe.
That is not different to believing in the law of attraction, or that the Force from Star Wars is real, or that ghosts and vampires and werewolves and fairies and dragons all have hidden civilizations underground, or that in reality the holy appendages of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are guiding the surgeon's scalpel as he performs the surgery, or that inert objects have consciousness.
You can believe any or all of this. You can believe in anything you want. But without factual evidence, you have no grounds to honestly think that what you believe in is actually real.
"I'm quite curious for your evidence to support your own belief. I really am."
Depends on what you mean by "belief". If you are talking about the existence of gods, I can tell you this:
I can NEVER assert with 100% certainty that absolutely no gods exist ever. However, because of the absolute lack of evidence to support the existence of any god, I assume in practical terms that no gods exist.
I could be wrong about this. It could turn out that Yahweh (or Amaterasu or Zeus or Allah) was the actual god of humanity all along. But I will only believe in such an extraordinary thing when extraordinary evidence comes out to prove it. Or in other words, when the Christians have finally met their burden of proof
It's the same thing with vampires. MAYBE they do exist. Just because we have no evidence for their existence doesn't mean they CANNOT exist. But precisely because of that, because of the complete lack of evidence for their existence, we can assume in PRACTICAL terms that they do not exist. We could be wrong... but no evidence, no belief.
Now, if you refer to medical "miracles": Some can be easily explained in biological terms. And if there are no "miracles" that can be explained in biological/medical terms, then about those phenomenons we just say:
"We don't know what causes them... yet. Science is working on that, though."
"What the hell about religion is so "Modern"?"
What is "so" modern about religion? Well... nothing. Nothing at all. Religion is an obsolete construct from humankind. In the past, it might have been useful to fill in the holes of our knowledge (using fantasy), manipulate the masses and mitigate our fear of death, but nowadays it just holds humanity back.
The more people who outgrow religion the better
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One example I know of is true. The reason I hesitate to give it is because you won't believe it anyway... That's why u^u"
Every wednesday at church, there's a healing service. As the name would suggest, it's one of those "prayer can help heal you" things. Nobody there would suggest just using that instead of a DOCTOR, who is perfectly capable of healing on his or her own, but the prayer does seem to help support those who are hurting.
One of those wednesdays a Jewish woman came in. She had some sort of disease with a fancy name (my pastor can rattle it off but I couldn't remember it if you paid me xD) that made her deaf in one ear- totally deaf. She'd been that way for years, and wasn't a believer in any God, but with all her skepticism she attended anyway.
Pastor asked her "If God can heal you tonight, will you believe Jesus is saviour?" She hesitated and said yes. "Well then God will heal you tonight."
Now we were all looking at him like he's a nutcase. Kind of a bold claim, right? Interestingly enough, that night in the middle of prayer her ear popped three times and was healed.
I didn't want to give the "you can't explain that" statement like a fool, but I've looked into it and the chance of it being a coincidence is a bit ridiculous. I personally can't explain it.
"We don't know what causes them... yet. Science is working on that, though."
to that I counter
"Science hasn't explained it, and doesn't appear to be able to. I'd put my trust in God at this point."
Both statements are a tad ridiculous, right? I have mine, you have yours. But science can work on it for as long as it wants. I'm waiting for scientific proof just as much as you are.
Waiting for miracles? They're there! Science hasn't explained that woman's ear yet. Until it does, I'll put my trust in God. There's other examples too. But they've been classified as mass hallucinations and coincidences.
How many coincidences does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll? P:
How does it hold us back? Tell me how having a belief prevents a scientist from discovering a cure. The only effect the belief has on him is that he credits God's blessing- if he even does that!
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"I didn't want to give the "you can't explain that" statement like a fool, but I've looked into it and the chance of it being a coincidence is a bit ridiculous. I personally can't explain it. "
I believe a knowledgeable physician will be able to explain how that happened. But even if no physician could, even if what happened to that woman is the first case of "sudden-ear-healing" in the world and science does not have an explanation for it YET... assuming a god did it is using the argument of ignorance:
"I can't explain why something happened... therefore, godddidit!!"
At one point we also though gods controlled the weather and the sun and the volcanoes... and you see how that turned out.
That anecdote you shared provides no evidence for the work or existence of a god, let alone Yahweh. Even if that healing was the work of a god (once again, evidence?), how do you know it wasn't Amaterasu our heavenly mother, who felt pity for that woman and decided to finally heal her? Or if it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster, who touched her ear with his noodly appendage?
"Both statements are a tad ridiculous, right?"
I don't think so. It makes much more sense to trust in science to give us answers about the workings of the universe and everything in it.
Why? Because science has been amazingly accurate in giving us said answers. In contrast, religion's track record for explaining the universe around us is abysmal. Diseases are caused by evil spirits and curses? Nope. The world is 10,000 years old, flat and was created in 7 days? Nope. And so on.
"Waiting for miracles? They're there! Science hasn't explained that woman's ear yet. Until it does, I'll put my trust in God. "
I think there is a biological reason of why that woman's ear was healed all of a sudden. However, in the remotely possible case where science doesn't know what caused that woman to heal... then all we can honestly say about that phenomenon is:
"We don't know what caused it... yet."
Whether it was the work of god x, or that case has a biological explanation, the correct course of action is to research and test the phenomenon, and then let the evidence speak for itself instead of jumping into conclusions...
... you know, like saying 'I don't know how it happens, therefore goddidit'.
"How many coincidences does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll? P:"
As many "coincidences" as taking a ball, saying "this ball will fall and hit the floor", dropping it from a certain height, and have that happen every-single-time.
If every person who prayed for healing got instantly healed no matter what, we could conclude there is a very possible causation going on. However, that's not what happens. Lots of Christians (no less) pray for healing and go to events like the one you described... and are not healed, even when they have faith.
You could defend this with the cop out argument "He doesn't heal them because it's all part of His divine plan!!", but you would need to provide evidence that such a thing is actually going on
"How does it hold us back?"
Really?
Do I really have to mention the theocracies in the middle east?
The television scammers who steal the money of gullible people by selling them supposedly powerful relics, or worse, promises and miracles?
The existence of facilities called churches, which are extent from paying taxes and provide no value to society, aside from false comfort?
The fact that in the US atheists cannot run for political charges?
The christians who will not take their children to a doctor and let them die because "you go first to God before going to a doctor"?
The discrimination, rejection and bullying many religious persons show against atheists or members of other religions... even if they are part of their family?
Religion may have good things (like community), but those things can be experienced without religion.
"Tell me how having a belief prevents a scientist from discovering a cure"
As long as he keeps doing his research instead of saying "goddidit", and as long as he doesn't violate other people's freedom (like killing people from other religions, like the Bible dictates christians do), then he has the right to have his belief and live with it.
Personally, instead of believing in lore that sounds awesome and comfortable (I'm going to heaven when I die and everything happens for a reason, YAYZ), but for which there is absolutely ZERO evidence, I'd rather be connected to the sometimes cruel, but ultimately REAL, reality.
Religion is like the matrix: It is hard and scary out there... but damn it, REALITY is what's outside of that shell.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Yahweh does exist, and he performs said miracles selectively, and I will burn forever in hell just because I'm not gullible to believe 2000+ years old lore...
... but where is the evidence?
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The problem with arguing, "Can you prove that it doesn't?" is that it's not up to folks like Neoglitch17 or I to prove that the sort of thing you're describing doesn't happen. If someone makes a claim, it's up to that someone to back it up with evidence.
As a side note, I thank you for your support of this stamp! I appreciate you dropping by to have a look.
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It also isn't really my job to try and prove my beliefs to people who likely wouldn't believe me if I tried, right? I know members of my church who would see this as a golden opportunity for converting you, but I see it as an easy way into a fight I won't win, for mere reasoning of that I can never seem to think straight when trying to explain my thoughts...
I wasn't making any claims in an attempt to start an argument ;U; I was just stating my personal beliefs to explain why I like the stamp-
Thisiswhyidontcommentonthings-
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Well, my stamps do tend to draw those who enjoy debating stuff, so that probably explains it
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