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NOTE: I am aware that the program was terminated as far as 2007----------
United States Army Land Warrior Program (terminated in 2007) was meant to give soldiers the capabilities on which it gives them information about the battlefield and coordinate with other ground and air units as well as it allows an individual to rendezvous with his squad.
However why this has become a demotivator, if someone here is aware of or know the novel titled "World War Z" then there's no need to explain, however for those who have no idea about this, World War Z is a novel wherein zombies has occupied nearly 90% of the world due to a placebo or virus called "Solanum"
There is one known event there called the "Battle of Yonkers" wherein the United States Army deployed M270 MLRS, M109A6 Paladin, Humvee with .50 calibers, TOW missiles and even mortars as well as the M1A2 Abrams and M2/M3 Bradley and soldiers that has Land Warrior system and MOPP (Mission Oriented Protective Posture) or in non-military fanatic term soldiers equipped with gas mask and military attire design to offer resistance towards nuclear radiation, biological and chemical weapons and possibly armed with M16A4 rifles, M4A1 carbines, M110 Sniper rifles, M240 Machine guns, M249 Machine guns, Mk. 19 automatic grenade launchers, M2 machine guns and even deployed RAH-66 Comanches with AGM-114 missiles, Hydra 70 rocket pods and gatling gun, other military equipments and F-35A Lightning II with thermobaric weapons.
However despite that, they lost to the zombies because;
- The tactics they used where "designed" to counter Soviet tank invasion wheras their enemies are like doing a human-wave tactics
- The tanks and armored vehicles are mostly armed with anti-tank weapons, which is next to being useless against zombies as their blood is like a gelatin due to the infection thus blast damage has no effect to them. Even sabot shot has no effect to them as it only passes through them.
- They are not sufficiently supplied with bullets and anti-personnel weapons.
- Soldiers are trained to shoot 3 times at the torso, while it is said that one must shot at the zombie at the head, specifically where the brain is as their are some circumstances that a zombie was shot in the head but didn't "die"
- Although Yonkers, specifically in Saw Mill River Parkway which is somewhere Yonkers, New York state is a perfect choke point against the zombies, due to the tactics used by the US military, and the fact that zombies where coming from New York city itself (which means there are over millions of them), being overrun is likely the outcome.
- The soldiers are equipped with MOPP which is used only during a biological or chemical attack or if the place has radiation while reporters and offices are not, thus the virus is not airborne. What made it worse is the climate, it was said that in August 2013, where the battle occurred is the hottest day record due to some "man-made" catastrophes.
- Land Warrior prove to be a disaster, soldiers may have killed zombies that they see, but given that the zombies where coming from New York city and that Land Warrior allows them to get information (think of video games, specifically the futuristic FPS games wherein you can just look at the map, objectives, info and stuff) and that they can hear what others are saying (including how they were being "eaten" by zombies), Morale disintegration followed.
- Not only that the military lost morale, so is the civilians as the battle was publicized by reporters in which civilians see soldiers being overrun and eaten by zombies or some zombies still move even when shot in the head (not to where the brain is located) despite being equipped with cutting-edge, high-tech weapons and tech.
Here's what the battle look like, I saw this in the internet [link]
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In terms of modern warfare (present) the system is quite effective as some units trained to use this have been deployed in Iraq however the price tag of this system is quite expensive thus it was terminated in 2007 although another program called Future Force Warrior is still in development, this one makes the soldier look like those in sci-fi as one of the goals of the Future Force Warrior is the powered exoskeleton, nano-technology, integrated computer system and other high-tech stuff (just think Halo's Mjolnir armor and Crysis' Nano-tech suit combined into one)
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it would be very interesting if there are two zombies- the fast zombies and slow zombies and see to which type of zombies humanity would panic from and likely be "conquered"
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The whole thing is a joke. Brooks failed biology in numerous aspects in his books. I mean come on no rotting on the zombies, wondering the ocean floor which is at least 10 km deep and manage to make their way to the surface. And seriously, I'm pretty sure the land warriors would be disciplined soldiers not green rookies. Also, napalm not effective against the undead? If it can cook a human brain in a few moments, it can cook zombies. He wrote them of at being completely incompetent and panicking at first sight of trouble. Sure they are millions of zombies but that much firepower unleashed would inflict very heavy casualties and last time I checked being hit by a tank is instant death regardless of lack of pain receptors. Max Brooks really needs to hit the books before trying to sound scientific. If you plan on making a book pseudo-scientific, do it right, don't half ass it. Anyways, sorry but I needed to get that off my chest.
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I agree with Lost. Brooks tries to act way smarter than he is. He is great at making a very entertaining book. But his "social commentary" falls right on its ass. Virtually EVERYTHING he did about the military was just flat out wrong. About the only thing he got right was how big of a factor psychology was in war. But what offended me most wasn't even how cartoonishly inept he considers the military, but how he thinks he is smarter than them and could solve all their problems instantly.Β
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I'd forgotten about that conversation.
Thanks for supporting me.Β
The way he describes is almost like Team Rocket from Pokemon. Maybe a few years in a uniform would smarten him up.
I've seen a few interviews with him (also one for deadliest warrior). He comes off as a bit bratty.
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It was a matter of poor tactical decisions, lack of ammunition, inexperiance with fighting Zs, and literally *millions* of zombies heading their way.
He notes perfectly well that everything was still quite effective, but not effective enough. Most of the weapons that were used there were meant to be used against living humans and armored vehicles, not dead people that can only truly be killed by either destroying the brain or gibbing them to pieces.
I don't think you understand that soldiers aren't emotioneless machines either. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to break a man's morale and will to fight or scaring him off. Armour also provides very little protection, it's only centered at the torso to protect the vital organs, it doesn't offer magical full-body coverage. It's certainly not meant to protect you from rabid undead that can infect you just as simply as biting your finger.
This is a really old post but whatever
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I almost forgot about this post.
But still, his (author) overall attitude is downright disdainful and contemptuous of military forces. He tries to be scientific but outright fails (zombies at bottom of ocean, just no. We're talking kilometers below and no way of getting back up).
Also Intel should replace their staff with kids cause seriously, who the hell makes that kind of blunder honestly.
I know some soldiers and they are strong in terms of discipline and morale. They can be discouraged but takes quite a bit of effort. Yes millions of corpses will break them but why didn't just call Broken Arrow, that would've ended the battle.
Also those suits are full body, head to toe as part of original project specifications. Their meant to withstand anything short of a 50 cal. full metal jacket round so biting through could take a while. Also why didn't they issue cyanide pills, not that hard to produce.
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There was in fact rotting on the zombies. It was said that the zombies were totally naked, all organic matter stripped from them. In addition, you can't have an army of all hardened veterans when you're calling up every single possible soldier you can get.Β
Napalm was not used in Yonkers.
They also ran out of ammunition.Β
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You obviously didn't read the book deeply enough.
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you're right, i read it a while back but still what i do remember is those flaws but i digress it was a long time ago so odds are i vaguely remember the whole scenario. also you said all organic matter was stripped from them, wouldn't that just leave the bonesΒ as bones are only partially made of carbon whereas the rest is made of mostly carbon
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I always wonder why the soldiers in the novel didn't simply use their tanks and other tracked vehicles to run over the zombies and since the tanks today can be mounted with remote-operated guns, the crew inside those vehicles would have not expose themselves.
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I wondered about that too. They are a lot of flaws in his narration. Mainly, the very obvious things most people would notice such as closing the hatches on your vehicles, using barbed wire, shotguns, traps, using less ethical weapons such as flamethrowers, white phosphorous, landmines, the list can go on forever. After all, they is no such thing as overkill with the undead. Also, I'm pretty sure their armour could withstand a few bites
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or at least use helicopters like Blackhawks and armed it with miniguns on the window and machine guns on the doors, this could at least help reduce the number of zombies
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Also whoever did intel gathering should be shot. I mean come on hordes of undead humans equals anti-personnel weapons not anti-armor. Doesn't the US have drones with missiles and aircraft that pretty much flatten anything. Also a nuke could be used as last resort. After all nothing says screw you like a nuke.
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I actually created a program that could acompany this but now cancelled after hearing about the 2007 cancelling of land warrior if you want details please send me a feedback
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wow your kidding right it doesn't matter how dawn of the dead the zombies are a 120mm Sabot and helfire missiles are still gonna kill dozens every hit especialy since they're pact so tightly, body armor that our soldiers have would give them some resistence against being bitten, and it if all else fails you can still run them over with tanks, and no doubt they would have a fortified position making it dificult to be overrun even by people capable of thought and with guns, and the ability to communincate over the battlefield with ease would only help, the Mopp suits ok yeah sure I'll buy that, but what people don't see is that fighting zombies would be easyer than fighting people why would we use techniques for fighting a Soviet armored columb rather than say RIOT CONTROL!!! specificaly designed to combat methheads and crazies clawing and bighting at you, really if you look at the facts everything you're saying was a disadvantage to us would only help us the U.S. is probubly better equiped than any other nation to resolve this hypothetical situation
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well the one I just posted is based on a novel and I have a different take on how to fight zombies
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Trust the USA to be incapable of even handling infantry when they have tanks and aircraft.
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All Zombie Wank nonsense. Zombies are infantry, see how well mass charges of infantry worked against barbed wire, machine guns and artillery fire during the Great War nearly a century ago. We have only gotten better at the murder buisiness since then.
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well the novel mentioned that the soldiers were given less anti-personnel ammo and more anti-armor ammo
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do you know why the project was terminated?[link]
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I am aware about the cancellation of the program long ago, I made this because of the novel "World War Z" which used this system against millions of zombies.
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Asides from what sir Godspeed brought up, a thermobaric bomb would in fact work just fine against zombies, the author completely ignored the fact that the effects of the bomb are similar to those of a small tactical nuclear weapon and if it "rips things apart" therefore the brain would be pulverized by the impulse. Still not sure where the logic of high explosives or armor piercing sabot tank rounds being ineffective comes in. If a human being or anything of the same size is hit by a 120mm round or also known as 4.7 inches in diameter it pretty much will disintegrate into a mist. Besides the XM8 has been discontinued and at least those of us in the Marine corps are taught not to do three shots to the torso but two to the chest and one to the head or pelvis, even if you hit a zombie in the pelvis with a 5.56mm round you will shatter the bone and then it will be forced to crawl towards you making a kill shot that much simpler.
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im not trying to ne challenging or anything like that but have you read the book please dont take this as a negative comment
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No, I have not read the book, but I was merely going by what the deviant posted.
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oh cause they explained why everything didnt work
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Why would a shot to the head with a 5.56mm round not work? This is illogical to me.
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its fiction yah just have to work with it
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That's not actually an explanation.
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Well I did wonder if the weapons are actually that inefficient since I remember that the weapons used in that novel can be useful in a zombie war if applied properly...
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Wait, is this criticism against the American military for being unprepared for a conflict that is intirely fictional and implausible?
Too bad the very physics behind the concept of a "zombie plague" would make it unable to occur in the first place.
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Actually it from the story titled World War Z where the US military lost to the zombies because the military used the wrong tactics...
In a zombie fight, we do have no need for fancy high-technology, just guns and the proper training for soldiers.
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Yeah, I've heard about it.
But still, all this technical discussion, advanced thought-experiments, rigorous scrutiny and so forth, and then people just selectively "ignore" the facts that would make it an impossible scenario regardless?
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Well Land Warrior could have been effective if it is only used to coordinate soldiers in the field but given that some aspects of the tech allows the soldiers to see what others can, the morale of a soldiers will drop sharply. The system would also have been more effective against zombies if the soldiers that uses the system is also armored like in the novel Starship Troopers, at least the chances of being bitten by a zombie is very low just give them weapons such as H&K G36, Tavor TAR-21, Steyr AUG A3, Bushmaster ACR, Barrett REC-7 or H&K HK-416, all set to semi-auto
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Or you know, rely on the fact that the dying cells in the zombie's body will not be able to produce ATP-molecules (adenosin-tri-phosphate) without which it will not be able to perform any actions, such as sending or receiving nerve-signals (sensory input, cognitive evluation of a situation), contracting muscles (ie. move), or perform mitosis (important for regeneration of lost/dead cells, maintaining of immune system via white blood cells, etc.)
Failing that, the lack of a immune system, a myriad of bacteria an fungi will quickly take hold in the body, breaking the biomass down in a matter of weeks. The sun will also assist in this, not only making the process go faster, but also breakin down the chemical connections by way of radiation.
And if the temperature is low enough, then the water in the body will freeze and all the cells will be destroyed, causing immediate uselessness.
There there is the issue of reduced cognitive abilities which would make them easy prey for stray dogs or other scavengers, or make them simply wander off into crevices or fall from high places during night or such.
Then there is of course the fact that blood-transmitted diseases with very obvious physical signs (ie. zombie-look) wil cause immediate alarm in the health and safety agencies, and in the general public. The plague will probably be contained before many people are struck, as the natural instinct is to avoid them, or simply kill them.
Just my two cents.
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well the plague isnt real so there could be something else keeping there bodies functional, the book couldnt go into full detail about the infection and how it works, max brooks would have to make an entirely new book about zombie health, and in the book when winter came zombies froze, and when cells freeze they burst because the freezing causes them to expand but the zombies where still ''alive''.
So we cant use real world knowledge to explain how they live we just have to accept the idea and enjoy it
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My point exactly; you see people putting so much "science" into this - and yet they fail to realise that the entire concept is completely unscientific to begin with.
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I've read the book 3 times now... same with the handbook on how to survive, also by Max Brooks and the stupidity shown by the military brass in that battle you describe gets me every time.
SOrry, brave boys in uniform....your fancy equipment is very ineffective against the walking dead. Better luck next time... if you live long enough for a "next time".
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Do you know that MOPP gear that Soldiers wear in the Battle of Yonkers are little or no more than mere torture device for it's wearer?
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yup, since it limits the soldier's view and that the materials used for the gear makes it hot to wear that chances of getting dehydrated is very high, though the media looks at it like a propaganda.
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And what's the material used for the gear?
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if I remember, most of the MOPP gear (such as the gas mask, gloves and boots) used rubber or something similar to rubber, while the uniform is similar to the standard one but is made for the purpose of protecting the wearer from NBC. Despite that it allows air to flow inside to cool the soldier, because Battle of Yonkers is said to be the hottest in temperature, it didn't matter as soldiers will still get dehydrated due to the hot air.
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What's makes MOPP gear torture device for it's wearer?
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According to the book, while the soldiers are wearing the MOPP, other people present in the area such as reporters and military officers are not wearing any of protection and or given gas mask. The use of MOPP was not necessary which hampered the soldiers from shooting zombies and due to the hot weather, soldiers have to fight them to the point that at any moment, the soldiers will collapse due to dehydration. Their view is also strictly limited by the gas-mask they are wearing which decreases their ability to aim properly.
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You know classic Romero-Russo zombies are Better than Max Brooks' zombies because they are only attacks living people while Max Brooks' zombies are eats any person and animals(unless when they are other zombies) that they encounters indiscriminately, but unfortunately, zombies in 2000s remakes of Living Dead movies are seems to more like Max Brooks' zombies and Max Brooks' zombies are mostly inspired from Resident Evil zombies(live action series, not game)
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I see, so I guess most zombie movie at present are different.
Though if I remember, the zombies in Resident Evil games, specially the earlier games are creepier than those in the new games
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Do you know that US military is so cheap, especially when it come to small arms they only prefers crappy M4A1 over it's better equivalent, but why this is different story when it come to Barret M82, FGM-148 Javelin, and XM25(where the rest of it's family are canceled) as well other overpriced mediocre weapons?
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