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Description The entertainment industry made me do it XD

anyway, I wanted to discuss my take on the whole "drug use controversy" in The Lord of The Rings.
So, a lot of people think that because the hobbits' favourite food is mushrooms and that they smoke [what they call] weed amongst some other things, that LotR is full of drug messages. Um, yes Tolkien's first wave of popularity was durng the 1960's, especially amongst hippies, and if you ask me, those things about the hobbits were probably adopted by the counterculture to be used as slang terms and symbols for drugs. Honestly, I think it's unlikely that Tolkien would have put drug messages in LotR; he was a pretty straight-laced guy, and was greatly irritated by the way of life led by the largest part of his fanbase, calling them "My deplorable cultus."

I don't mean to put uncalled for interpretations in, but I have noticed some things that are very, very interesting. The names of some of the female hobbits are particularly interesting. Poppy Bolger, poppies are what opium is derrived from. Belladonna Took, the belladonna plant is leathally toxic and narcotics can be extracted from its leaves. Lastly, Lobelia Sackville-Baggins, lobelia is the scientific name for a plant of the family nicotania (the tobbacco family). It's common name is "Indian Tobacco" and grows wild in many parts of the southern U.S. But here's the thing--Lobelia, when smoked, enduces hallucinations and euphoric effects. But get this, Tolkien himself said that pipeweed, if it were real, would be in the family Nicotania.

but that information was not enough for me. the smoking of pipeweed does go on throughout the course of LotR, but I wasn't getting a sense of anyone getting high or spaced out off of it.
but there is one moment in The Two Towers, when Merry and Pippin are reunited with Arag...excuse me for a moment...

ARGHRAAAAHHH!!!! MY COMPUTER IS GIVING ME SO MUCH BULL-SHIT TODAY IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!!!!!!

where was I? oh yes, Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. So, they all (except for Legolas) partake in group smoking, but if I recall, when Aragorn sits down, Pippin proclaims "Strider the Ranger has returned!" and aragorn responds "He was never gone." When I read this for the first time, I was just "What?? That made no sense whatsoever! Did I miss something?" So if there is any evidence of anyone getting high off of pipeweed, that is it, as far as I can remember.

So, take sides as you will!

about the drawing: I may go back to this in the future, since I feel it needs something, though i'm not sure what. Pippin's face looks kind of sleazy (sleezy?) and the rainbow psycodelia going on in pippin's head got kind of muddled when I added the normal colours for his hair and I tried to leach some of the colour out by dabbing with a rubbing alcohol soaked Q-tip. it helped a little, but it's still not as I would have wanted it to be. OMG! the future perfect tense lives!! I was having some turmoil when it came to deciding what to do with the trippy rainbow smoke...I think I would have preffered it if came out more like a tie-dye t-shirt as opposed to bands of colour...I also was unsure about what else to do with the smoke, mainly because I was debating on using a more psychodellic white design, perhaps a hippie-paisley, or should I use a more middle-earth like hallucination? what would a middle-earth hallucination look like was another burning question. in the end, I compromised, as you can see...some of the vine-like designs coming off the paisley part were my answer to a middle-earth hallucination...I tried my best what can I say?

"WHITE ROOM WITH BLACK CURTAINS" IS A SONG BY THE BAND CALLED "CREAM" AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT CAME OUT IN THE 60's IT IS NOT ABOUT DRUGS AND IS IN FACT ABOUT DEPRESSION. I LOVE THAT SONG AND IT WAS STUCK IN MY HEAD MOST OF THE TIME I WAS WORKING ON IT. HOORAH!!!!

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Comments: 57

misguidedghost1511 [2010-12-12 10:21:23 +0000 UTC]

It looks like the elf version of me...

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chronic-casey [2010-11-09 23:10:46 +0000 UTC]

that is super trippy lol.

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cookiepeach [2010-09-18 23:57:48 +0000 UTC]

LOOL . This just made me WEAKKK .

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PippinIncarnate In reply to cookiepeach [2010-09-19 09:35:14 +0000 UTC]

in a good way I hope... XD

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cookiepeach In reply to PippinIncarnate [2010-09-19 12:15:17 +0000 UTC]

yess , in an amazing way ! I LOVE the title ! XD ! (:

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ChemicalIceTea [2010-06-15 20:00:48 +0000 UTC]

This is amazing I love the rainbow gradient and the fluffy feet >3<

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PippinIncarnate In reply to ChemicalIceTea [2010-06-16 21:25:49 +0000 UTC]

thank you! furry feet are so much fun!!

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Random007 [2009-12-29 13:21:05 +0000 UTC]

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tomtomm [2009-12-17 19:47:58 +0000 UTC]

though I didn't know the fact that hobbits were all junkies, I really like your drawing ! it's very colourful ^^

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PippinIncarnate In reply to tomtomm [2009-12-17 20:27:00 +0000 UTC]

oh but they aren't. or at least its debateable whether they are or not XD

this was all for fun. i know the description is a long one but it has some of the arguments for/against drug use in lotr ^^

thanks~

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tomtomm In reply to PippinIncarnate [2009-12-19 21:16:03 +0000 UTC]

interesting debate !

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PoPanda [2009-12-16 05:00:30 +0000 UTC]

trippin' pippin...hahahaha

nice work btw

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PippinIncarnate In reply to PoPanda [2009-12-17 20:27:07 +0000 UTC]

thank you!

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Bridellwyn [2009-11-13 22:23:17 +0000 UTC]

I normally never comment, but I LOVE this. Even the overly long artist's comment is fun. Excellent job!

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Sirielle [2009-01-22 23:23:59 +0000 UTC]

Nice idea with the rainbow, smoking dreams. I'm rather antagonist of such dreams but like the image.

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DarkCrimsonElixir [2008-12-13 02:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Psychodelic Middle Earth...what a concept lol. I though I was following you(oh so sketchy) but apparently I'm not! Anywho... Wasn't Tolkien friends with Lewis Carroll? And you know all the things they say about him..I think they just like messing with people... And oh yeah, good picture!

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PippinIncarnate In reply to DarkCrimsonElixir [2008-12-14 05:34:19 +0000 UTC]

ah, no that was C.S. Lewis whom tolkien was close frends with. interestingly enough, as I type this response, The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe is on TV ^^

I don't know much about Lewis Carrol, except that he was a mathematical genius, the author of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, and of course, all the drug conjecture. the point being, all of it is conjecture. although carroll's (actually dodgson's life, as Carroll was only his penname) was not without controveursy anyway, I was just doing some reading on him and found out he had been accused of being a pedophile XD

oh and I also just found out that Lewis Carroll died in 1898, when Tolkien would have only been 6, so the two werent even contemporararies of one another

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DarkCrimsonElixir In reply to PippinIncarnate [2008-12-14 11:51:48 +0000 UTC]

Pssh, C.S. Lewis, Lewis Carroll...What's in a name? Well, a lot according to the druggedly named hobbits... Now that you say that I remember of course... Haha, Maybe Carroll DID try to become Tolkien's friend and that's where the pedophile rumour came from... o.O Hee, thank you for correcting me ^^

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misterwackydoodle [2008-07-23 05:58:05 +0000 UTC]

it's tobacco in the tolkien stories, and i don't recall it being called weed but usually 'leaf'. but the stories are kind of trippy anyway.

this reminds me so much of a friend of mine from college. he had the hairy feet but not pointy ears. at least i dont think so you couldnt really see under his hair.

hobbits are much stockier than this though

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PippinIncarnate In reply to misterwackydoodle [2008-07-23 21:35:18 +0000 UTC]

right! it went by a number of names. Leaf was I think the most commonly used, but I beklieve there were at least a few instances where it was refered to as weed, as a shortenend version of pipeweed.
anyway, yes, it is said to be in the Tobaccco family (Nicotaniae) in the preface to FotR. Anyway I doubt that whatever rumours of drug usein lotR there are are false, but the fact that there euphoric members of Nicotaniae (namely, Lobelia) and the fact that there was a hobbit named lobelia, is enough of a red herring to keep the debate alive (with me at least )

but yay for intelligent comments! it's so nice to actally get feedback that requires to think about how I answer !! thank you for liberating me XD;;;

but yeeah, my hobbits are skinny....but the stockinessof hobbits is more of a generalization made by tolkien , rather than a statement that all hobbits are on the heavy side. For example, Frodo is described as being taller and thinner than is normal for hobbits , and in one part (I'm not gonna quote the book exactly) but it was early on in FotR, and Pippin teases frodo for being fat. sooo, that evidence amongst some other clues, leads me to believe that Pippin must be on the slimmer end of the spectrum.

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misterwackydoodle In reply to PippinIncarnate [2008-07-24 03:38:52 +0000 UTC]

ahh, yeah, i forgot. it's been a while since i read these. you know i only saw the recent movies once, i think i'll do that again first. tonight! i have to get my old computer booted all my movies are on it... not necessarily going to happen but we'll see.

the names 'belladonna', 'lobelia' etc are pretty suggestive you're right. some people don't see natural drugs as drugs at all though. i saw a weird movie i can't remember the name of all about this british guy getting addicted to datura (i think?) growing in a secret grove somewhere in the late 1800s. the local kids were doing it, and i mean little children. i think the guy ended up dying? well that follows a lot from such a potent and poisonous drug. anyway an interesting if slightly twisted movie, i wish i could remember the name i might watch it again from the beginning. i did try eating a few datura seeds once, the effect wasn't anything like you see in the movie -- they were all eating flowers -- but it made my pulse throb uncomfortably, and i don't think i'd want more of that.

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BathingToasters [2008-05-20 01:30:40 +0000 UTC]

Now you have to know the funny thing. I read the entire description....

I like the pretty colours

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PippinIncarnate In reply to BathingToasters [2008-05-20 19:59:57 +0000 UTC]

then hurrah for steadfastness!

yey pretty colours

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BathingToasters In reply to PippinIncarnate [2008-05-20 20:50:56 +0000 UTC]

Lol

I thought I was already watching you on here and I wasn't

so now I am

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sidhehannah [2007-11-30 23:56:15 +0000 UTC]

I think your design for the psychedelic cloud is perfect. I immediately thought "Middle-Earth hippie!" when I saw the white patterns.

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iamneiko [2007-11-25 05:59:44 +0000 UTC]

I *LOVE* it. Loooove.

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PippinIncarnate In reply to iamneiko [2007-11-26 03:04:20 +0000 UTC]

yay! thank you!

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umasama [2007-11-25 05:06:24 +0000 UTC]

awesome love the colors

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PippinIncarnate In reply to umasama [2007-11-26 03:04:09 +0000 UTC]

thank you so much! the colours were a lot of fun to do

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silverandgold06 [2007-11-24 18:54:20 +0000 UTC]

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Ligeia1928 [2007-11-24 16:12:57 +0000 UTC]

LOL
Excellent idea and maybe the most entertaining description I have ever seen on this site.

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PippinIncarnate In reply to Ligeia1928 [2007-11-25 02:26:49 +0000 UTC]

^.^ thank you!

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liss-dexia [2007-11-08 22:45:32 +0000 UTC]

i like it.
and the colours don't look like a band, they look well together.
^.^
I did read the entire description. XD And you kinda made LotR read-able. (I fell asleep during the movies)
XD
but i do like it.
and i don't think the character looks sleezy
@.@
XD
xoxo
`lissie

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PippinIncarnate In reply to liss-dexia [2007-11-08 23:05:10 +0000 UTC]

yeah, I kinda have a love-hate relationship with this drawing...sometimes I look at it, and I love it, and other times I can't even bear to look at it! go figure!

yeah, as I look at this more, he seems less and less sleezy.


Thanks for the wonderful comment <3

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liss-dexia In reply to PippinIncarnate [2007-11-09 00:58:44 +0000 UTC]

^.^
xoxo
`lissie

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DOOM876 [2007-09-19 19:15:55 +0000 UTC]

By the way, pretty smoke.

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DOOM876 [2007-09-19 19:15:27 +0000 UTC]

Ahh, I see. I always thought the books were older. They never really caught my intest, to mucg dragon hate in the hobit book(I lurvs dragons). It makes sence though, that they would do drugs. Altering your perseption and consiousness is good though^^

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Cyanide-dreams [2007-05-06 00:36:51 +0000 UTC]

the arm closest to use loks alittle strange, but aside form that GOOD GOD WOMAN this is downright amazing. the hair, the face, the skin, the SUPER AWESOME SMOKE (and im not a fan for rainbow )


guh <3

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PippinIncarnate In reply to Cyanide-dreams [2007-05-06 20:50:10 +0000 UTC]

yeah, the bend in his elbow got lost in the poof of his shirt...it's supposed to be resting across his lap. I've slightly revised this since I submitted it, like I put more strands of hair in his face that make him look more...I don't know, but I like it that way....I'm still trying to figure out what this phantom thing is that the drawing is missing...

sorry! I got your message, but I've been too busy to return your call! Bad Friend! bad friend! bad friend! *hits head against wall* do you remember that XD?

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Elvishhobbit [2007-05-03 12:19:26 +0000 UTC]

but aren't hobbits scatterbrained anyways? my head hurts for 2 resons, 1)3 days ago Aly tsckled me and my head smaked the ground, and 2)that desc was looooong xD
rainbowwwwwwwws!*steals them* o.o oddly, I never went through the trouble to uncover all of that, I always was thinking "Like portabello mushrooms, thosed are good" and the pipe weed always struck me as being pipe tobacco only different
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PippinIncarnate In reply to Elvishhobbit [2007-05-09 05:00:34 +0000 UTC]

how did I miss this comment? ehhh, its 12:44 AM, and I have school tommorrow, so I need to be quick!

Well, hobbits are more simple minded, I guess you could say, but I wouldn't say scatterbrained (except for pippin XD) Merry's pretty smart and Frodo and Bilbo are REALLY smart, and all of them smoke, so that could just be proof that it dosen't have any mental side effects.

anyway, a lot of people that I know (who only saw the movie) just thought that their love of muxhrooms combined with their fumey habbits was a dead-ringer for drug use. Mushrooms have been used by traditional cultures for centuries, often by shamans as a way to "experience the spirit world." The Saami reindeer herders in lapland (northern finland and scandinavia) had this tradition of (i know this sounds gross, but bear with me) drinking the urine of a reindeer that has just eaten a Fly Agaric mushroom (amanita muscaria). A. muscaria is a favourite food of reindeer (and their are some studies that suggest they eat them just to experience hallucinations...similar to how cats crave catnip) Anyway, the saami would drink the urine to also experience those effects, and often describe hallucinations of flying reindeer and even the sensation of flying themselves. A. muscaria is the red mushroom with white spots, in case you didn't know. ANYWAY, the saami speak a language, not only in the same language family as, but also closely related to Finnish, a language Tolkien was fascinated by, ever since he was young, and was the basis for the elven language Quenya. So, given that and the fact that the saami live in northern scandinavia, scandinavia being the home of the norsemen, and therefore norse mythology, which LotR is rooted in, makes me doubt that Tolkien would have been unaware of those practises, along with the ceremonial use of mushrooms elsewhere in the world.
plus, since so many animals can eat mushrooms, berries etc. that are poison to humans, I wonder, since hobbits are different than us, if their tolerance for such things might also be different...that's a thought I often occupy myself with...

who knows...I need to go to bed -_- (12:59 PM)

I want his ears too ;o;

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Elvishhobbit In reply to PippinIncarnate [2007-05-09 12:46:49 +0000 UTC]

I'm scatterbrained =3 and you really shouldn't stay up so late, silly, it's unhealthy, so you ARE still in school, haha, I win*grins ttriumphantly*take THAT Aly xDD, don't ask, really don't o.o

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PippinIncarnate In reply to Elvishhobbit [2007-05-10 02:23:58 +0000 UTC]

oh trust me, I didn't want to be up so late...it was my homework T_T but I wanted to whittle down some of my messages before I went to bed.

aparently you and your friends are making bets about me? i don't know what to say XD

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Elvishhobbit In reply to PippinIncarnate [2007-05-10 02:31:07 +0000 UTC]

xD nah, I just love picking on Aly*giggles*you've been unofficially initiated into our lil circle xD

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PippinIncarnate In reply to Elvishhobbit [2007-05-10 03:28:47 +0000 UTC]

Really? *feels loved* thank you so much!

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Elvishhobbit In reply to PippinIncarnate [2007-05-11 00:12:51 +0000 UTC]

you're welcome^^

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irinarichards [2007-05-02 15:59:05 +0000 UTC]

I love the rainbow smoke coming out of his pipe most of all!

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PippinIncarnate In reply to irinarichards [2007-05-02 21:48:52 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! I was really proud of that concept, so double yay that it was your favourite part. Did you also notice the rainbows going on in his head? It came out very muddled, so sadly it dosen't show up well at all :/

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irinarichards In reply to PippinIncarnate [2007-05-03 13:33:20 +0000 UTC]

yeah I noticed the reflections on his hair, which was a clever thng to do, making the hair look very "real"!

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sonicmega [2007-05-02 02:32:27 +0000 UTC]

3 words come to mind:

KEEP ON TRUCKIN'

[link] BF189-Keep_on_Truckin.png#178

OR

[link]

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