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Published: 2012-11-21 16:21:32 +0000 UTC; Views: 2246; Favourites: 115; Downloads: 163
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First time doing line-art. Took way longer than I expected to ink everything (I'm looking at you, pile of apples).SAI and Photoshop, about a million hours.
If you like it, please take the time to leave a comment. It really makes my day
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Sweetie Belle is always hanging out with her sister, Pinkie Pie~!
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This lighting is beautiful. I love it. The sharpness of the foreground against the storybook painted look of the background... goddamnit, man. Grarh, this looks so fun.
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Hey, thanks!
It was such a crazy adventure. I literally spent 3-4 hours (minimum) inking apples.
Anyway, it means a lot that you dig it!
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3-4 hours on just the apples? Now that is dedication. How do you manage that?
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Maybe the wagon and the apples. I'm a perfectionist.
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But they're all one color!
By the way, it's also cool to see some linework from you.
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What's all one color? I'm lost.
By the way, you should love this, I'm planning on posting a tutorial explaining hue/saturation change in shading. (I couldn't tell if you were joking or not when you said "You and your shading with black").
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Well, the cart's all one color, isn't it?
I saw, I saw! I want to read it more thoroughly again.
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Yeah, the cart's all one color, but the inking took forever. I'm not really that good at perspective (hence why it's all jacked up).
Especially the wheels. The wheels took me an embarrassingly long time.
I'll lay off of the shadow thing. Actually I'm going to lay off of critique, for the most part. I'm sick of artists being over-defensive and shitty about thing. I just want to draw pretty pictures, man!
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Isn't this on a computer?
Ahh... perspective is one obnoxious animal. I agree with the wheels. I tried drawing a car and it apparently has all-wheel steering.
Some people just make themselves extremely hard to approach. This one guy on /r/MLPDrawingschool exploded at Koetsu's first comment that was pointing out that he had posted twice. He called him an idiot and a stupid idiot. Real tactful.
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It is on a computer. I mean it took forever to get all the lines nice and smooth and even and in perspective. And the apples took forever because there were quite a lot of apples.
I've been working a lot on perspective. I think it's one of those things that effects everything else you do, even if you don't realize it.
I never seem to see those posts! Man, I would've been mad. To be fair Koetsu is not exactly the nicest guy on the planet, either. His post history is 50% snarky comments, 50% really good critique.
To be honest, I lost a lot of my faith in the community after I discovered the /r/mlpdscirclejerk subreddit, where they make fun of artists, and generally act like a bunch of elitist assholes.
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You're right about the /r/mlpdscirclejerk... they're not even parodying a circlejerk, they are the circlejerk themselves. It's like they lifted the actual circlejerk out of /r/mlpdrawingschool and made a subreddit out of it, defeating the point of a "circlejerk" subreddit. They are the thing that should be made fun of. I am not a fan.
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I was super disappointed to see some certain people there. I'm not naming names because hell no to internet drama. But there are people who I thought were very nice and upstanding members of the community that I'm wicked disappointed in now.
Oh well! I started painting to blow off steam. I've realized recently that I'm getting more and more stressed out about it, which is stupid. If I'm not angry at some drawing school drama, I'm disappointed at a reddit thread that gets like 5 upvotes, or insecure because a group rejected an image.
It's dumb! I'm just gonna paint for me, and screw everyone else!
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It was kind of surprising; normally circlejerk subs have their own communities (except for the weird people who post absolutely everywhere, like /u/a_pale_horse), separate from the regulars of the parent sub. This...man. These are all the sub's regulars, the people who pretty much run the damn thing. It's like teachers making fun of dumb kids in the teachers' lounge. Actually, scratch that, it's exactly like teachers making fun of dumb kids in the teachers' lounge.
When I first spent time in the IRC I was surprised at just how... unprofessional they were. Making fun of things people can't necessarily help, like using the promotional vectors as references or just, you know... not having a lot of talent or experience. Everyone is always friendly and civil in the sub, but on here and sometimes on the IRC, it's kind of stunning just how callous they can be. This is one of the posts there, and it really dumbfounds me. Drawing lessons? Why do you think they're in a sub called /r/MLPDrawingschool? A lot of this stuff doesn't even have to do much with /r/MLPDrawingschool, only uses examples from the place. I'm all for making fun of people, but not like this, not the people who are clearly looking to better themselves and are clearly aware that they are not Leonardo DaVinci. I can understand making fun of the people who go there only to have their egos affirmed (i.e. /u/drawponies), but they seem to assume way too many people are doing that. In the IRC, a bot announced a new post by one user who tends to post frequently and rarely incorporates critique. While /u/drawponies is very clearly drunk on his "fame," this guy has Spanish as a first language, and hardly seems full of himself. His art may not be too good, but that's no reason to mock him either. Not everyone can be good at what you're good at.
There was another instance when Koetsu called a poster out for posting twice in the same day, then the guy exploded, calling Koetsu a "stupid idiot." Of course the IRC lambasted the guy, and it was an extreme overreaction, but nobody mentioned that Koetsu had been pretty unnecessarily terse in his comment. Later in that same thread, they poster said, "I'm sorry," and asked for help. Koetsu began to help, quoted "you stupid idiot" and left. Faking or not, I would have given that guy a reprise since hardly anyoneβlet alone onlineβapologizes just up front like that. Koetsu didn't. Koetsu may be particularly snide, and the rest of the regulars may be aware of it, but that doesn't mean they aren't guilty of the same elite superiority as he.
I always try to be levelheaded and nice on the sub, and I thought everyone else did too, but now it seems like that was just a pretense. People with short tempers or large egoes I try to handle carefully and kindly, and even in my head I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Groups that wordlessly reject images are the worst. I understand that a lot of them are busy, but it can't take that long to spend a few seconds and a sentence or two detailing exactly why it was rebuffed. Most groups do tend to explain, though, and that's a lot nicer. I tend to have a hard time, though, since a lot of groups seem to have some sort of preconception that pencil sketches are all unfinished, and are all shoved in their own group regardless of content. It's weird.
You go, guy! Hronk!
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Wow. I was feeling silly, thinking maybe I was blowing it out of proportion. I'm glad to hear you've noticed the elitism and the snobbery.
I was in the IRC the first few days it was open. I remember having a talk with Koetsu (he had just started art school). I told him to try and keep the ego down. I know what it's like to be a student in an art (music) school. You learn new things, you think you're better than everyone else, and you end up coming off extremely arrogant. I tried to help him avoid the mistakes I made when I was younger, but it sounds like he's just committed to being pretentious. Maybe in 10 years he'll be an awesome, well rounded (modest) dude like me.
Koetsu ripped apart my shadow tutorial (ignoring every valid point I made to focus on nitpick some word choice issues, though he did have some valid critique), and in the end I conceded that he made some good points! He replies "Can I get this comment bronzed, this has to be a reddit first". So, he's pleasantly surprised that I'm agreeing with him, but he chooses to express that by means of a snide one liner.
I don't know about drawponies! He's a professional artist, I guess? He hangs around IRC, I'm guessing? I feel like I made a good choice leaving the drawingschool. It's a bummer, because next month I would've gotten to make a 1 year anniversary post.
I've never got an explanation for a rejection! I've only been rejected by iponies and uh.. one of the other really good ones. But man, it makes me feel shitty the rest of the day. Which is stupid because I know I'm no CosmicUnicorn or PurpleKecleon or etc. I even have several paintings on there that they've requested! I was getting way too into being acknowledged by people.
Your pencil drawing are anything but unfinished! Your clean linework is what I think of first when I think of your art (that and hijinks).
You're a rockin' dude with a good sense of morality. One good friendship taken from a year on the drawingschool is good enough for HRONK HRONK HROAUUUGHGHHNKK
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Koetsu... he doesn't seem like a bad guy to me, maybe somewhat arrogant, but then again I haven't interacted with him much beyond the IRC, and I haven't seen the things you mentioned. He seems like an all right guy, probably nicer in real life, but he's sure got a lip and reputation in the /r/MLPDrawingschool. Sort of a loving reputation, but I do find it offputting. That thing about getting his comment bronzed, even if it was a joke, is still pretty obnoxious sounding.
Just recently in the IRC some user by the handle Red_M began posting. To be fair he was prettyβwell, reallyβannoying, didn't make much sense and seemed kind of immature and poor with communication. But he didn't seem malicious, only awkward and a little desperate (he mentioned a few times how they weren't very happy lately), and though I got terse a few times when he was being particularly difficult (as in, I'd probably be walking away in real life) I tried to keep a level head later on and speak nicely with him. But other users were making not-so-subtle cracks at him, mentioning how great it was that they'd /ignored him, etcetera. It kind of stopped me, since even if I do feel annoyed with someone I don't express overtly, if at all. I try to conduct myself online the same way as I do in real life, and I would not be railing on someone like this in real life unless I genuinely hated them and had no desire for redemption in their eyes. Which doesn't really happen.
Drawponies is... not really a professional artist. At all. He makes somewhat rough sketches and sells them at conventions, which he interprets as a profession. Then he massively overhypes himself and makes his own tutorials and does livestreams (from a camera, of his hands) and hocks his commission services and in general strokes his ego on a feather bed. He also repeatedly shrugs off critique, acknowledging it and even saying that "it's a problem he's noticed," then never doing anything about it. He doesn't come around the IRC because he wouldn't deign to associate with such tawdry folk as they, which has drawn quite the ire from the regulars. Always a bigger fish, I suppose. I'd rather not say too much about his art, since that's beside his character, but it's definitely not worth the credit he gives himself. It's got several anatomical flaws in its style that I don't care for, and it tends to be pretty... plain. Boring, even. Nearly always in profile, 3/4 at the most dramatic, and fairly mainstream and vanilla. Practically everywhere he goes he's either naming print prices or advertising a livestream or preening himself on his "fame."
I've only been on /r/MLPDrawingschool since July (my one-year reddit anniversary was a month or so past), and I think I'll probably keep posting there for now. Not everyone there is pompous and eliteβAppleJackSmack, R1pper_Anthon and Living_Dead all seem pretty mature and kind, and I still have plenty to learn. On a not really related note, viwrastupr jumped ship a little bit back. It was during the big self-posts only debacle when he exploded at popprocks, appointed him as mod and left despite the protests of other people. I think he had some real-life pressures on him at the time, but the attitude of some of the members probably didn't help any.
Same here. There's that MLP-FiM group that I don't recall becoming a member of who I tend not to submit to at all anymore. Most groups will accept my stuff pretty readily, the "toughest" (relatively) would be Zap-Apple Acres, who even then is very nice and always explains why they have to reject something. They turned down the drawing I did a month or two back with Twilight in the Millenium Falcon with a couple PokΓ©mon. Rather than just dismissing it, they explained that it was because the pony element had become pretty secondary and therefore wasn't relevant enough for their galleries. I really appreciated this, and I wish more groups would do that. Once, they even accepted something with a warning because of a crease on the paper I'd scanned. They seem like cool guys.
Thanks! I think those lines are some of the reasons my pencil stuff tends to take so long. Speaking of, I'm actually working on one right now! In the same vein as most of my Pinkie stuff, which has been kinda absent from my gallery. I missed it.
Well, you seem like a real thoughtful, cool guy yourself! Did you find me on the /r/MLPDrawingschool? I think the first encounter I had was when yHRONK HRAAAAWWGGHH HRONNGGGKKK HRONK HRGGHHRAHW
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Giant walls of text that inflate my "comments" stat!!!
People who say "I've noticed that" and never fix it are the absolute worst.
It was crazy when Viw left! I sort of decided to fade away then, as well. I always looked forward to his critiques, and without him there, I don't gain a whole lot. Not saying I'm perfect, by any means, but he really knew how to point out what was really WRONG, and not just what he didn't like.
Zap Apple seems like a great group. I submit everything there. I'm excited to see another traditional drawing! I would never say that I miss them, because that implies that I don't like your present stuff, but I missed them!
Crap, you're right, I commented on your elephant seal thingie. Well, I guess I still learned a lot there in that year. I actually joined the sub a month or two before Viw came on as mod! I'm such a dinosaur. You're right about there still being good people there. Maybe I just need to ignore that bad seeds (hah) and focus on contributing a little bit of brightness of my own to the sub. I intend to spend all day composing, so maybe when my brain over-heats I'll head over there and critique.
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Whoo! I'm a little bit infamous for those on /r/MLPDrawingschool, where I tend to use a whole lotta words to say not very much. I think people are intimidated sometimes.
It makes it seem like they either don't think it's an important issue, and therefore neither is your opinion. That, or they don't actually notice it and are just brushing you off.
Viw did leave some pretty good critiques, and he seemed very thoughtful and reserved, so when he blew up at popprocks it really took me back. He always seemed knowledgeable about art and also about teaching. His livestreams always felt very professional. I felt like I was back in grade school around him. It was a strange feeling.
They are! I don't remember how I discovered them, they might have requested one of my old pictures for their gallery.
You don't like my present stuff! Waaah! But thanks, I think I might've gotten the hang of pencil again, but I haven't worked on it since last Saturday so I might be rusty again. At least the weekend is soon! I'm still a little bit torn on whether I prefer digital or traditional, though.
You did! Did you find that through the sub, or what? It's kind of strange, when I first uploaded my stuff here there was a sudden rush of watchers and I have no idea where they came from or how they found me. Several vector artists watched at the same time early on, too.
There's always going to be unsavory people, I guess, and in /r/MLPDrawingschool they're not the majority, even amongst the regulars. They're probably just the most vocal (most likely tied to the unsavoriness to begin with), and tint the memory of the whole place beyond what it really is. Thinking back, there's plenty of mature, helpful people there who don't take part in the sneering and cynicism. The underlying drama might be a bit much, but it's not too hard to just avoid, either.
Also, if you do decide to visit any time soon, there's a sketch train going on! I don't know if you've seen those, but they're these fun activities run by , who I think you've talked to before. He's really cool and not much a part of the "inner circle," which might be a good thing. The sketch trains are threads where people ask for small drawings; someone else responds with a drawing and a request of they're own. It's meant to be fast and fun, so you could join if you like!
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Well, it worked. It all has a really nice soft, glow-y look to it.
Perspective is a completely different discipline from colors... bodies are easier to do because they're organic and have more wiggle room than a box.
Is he? I've never interacted with him too much, except for recently when I've started chatting more in the IRC channel. I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt in /r/MLPDrawingschool, and only crack jokes about stuff if I'm talking to people I already "know." Still probably shouldn't be doing it at all, but, y'know, steam must be blown. I usually try not to criticize actual art style too much, though, except when I'm legitimately ranting against something I dislike (like fuzz on ponies).
There's a /r/mlpdscirclejerk? What, does it have 12 subscribers? Who posts there, anyhow? I had no idea. But yeah, circlejerk subs tend to really highlight the aspects of a community you've been trying not to notice.
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This is really cute! I think you did quite well for your first attempt at lineart. I have a few observations though. I feel that there's a style clash between the ponies+cart and the background, mainly due to the different styles. Also, the wagon has really soft edged shadows while AJ and AB (and the shadow cast by AJ) are hard edged. Finally, the wagon doesn't seem in perspective with AJ. She's seen from the side but the wagon is seen from above and in 3/4 perspective. That's about it!
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Yep! By the time I noticed the perspective issue with the cart, I was already a good 12 hours in, and didn't have the heart to re-ink it.
Good catch on AJ's hard shadow. In your opinion, would it be better if all the cast- shadows were hard, or soft?
I tilted the wagon to try and get a stronger perspective (golden spiral, rule of 3rds). The way I have it, their eyes sit on 2 of the intersections of the grid, but in the process, I screwed up the perspective. Sigh.
I'm curious to hear more about the style clash -- It was intentional on my part, to let the focal point (and closer to foreground elements) become more focused, while the background and less important elements took on a slightly more painterly style. This whole thing was a big ol' experiment, so I'm open to your thoughts!
I think that I'm still a painter at heart, but it's nice to be able to work in a variety of styles, right?
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Sorry for the late reply, school and sleep, ay?
About the shadows, a personal preference of mine is for lined art to have hard edged shadows, but it's really a matter of preference and I've seen lots of good lined art with soft shading as well.
For the perspective, I'll be honest, most of these terms fly over my head. I read and understand them, but I just don't have the experience to use them properly in art or critique on them.
And as for the style clash, I understand what you wanted to do but I think the difference between hard black lines and shading and soft painterly style is a bit big and makes it look a bitlike AB and AJ are cardboard cut-outs glued to a random background.
Also congrats on EQD!
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Thanks for your feedback! I'll keep it all in mind for future experiments
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Very nice! And I agree, AJ is underrated, dunno why though.
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Dangit, Porkchop. Why do you have to be so good and make me feel so bad?
Great piece. I do love me some Applejack.
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I don't know if you're bad because there's no art on your profile!
Applejack is most under-appreciated pony.
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Aww, very cute *-* And well done!
Yeah the pile of apples is also completely colorated
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Those apples were the bane of my existence.
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