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I would like to get serious here for a moment. Before I explain the picture, I just want to share my thoughts on the most recent, shocking event.The shooting in Orlando was very, VERY cruel. Over 49 people dead from that night club! That is just something you don't brush off lightly as a part of everyday news. Innocent lives died and what makes me burn the most is that all of them were homosexual. We have to take into account that this was the most terrible terrorist attack since 9/11, just think about that for a moment. I pray for those families that lost a part of their lives that day. Those people were just out for a night of fun only for it to end in tragedy.
Okay, so now the picture, who are these two? Well, they're David and Jonathan. You know, David, the kid who killed Goliath with a single sling shot, and Jonathan, King Saul's son.... holding hands. WAIT! Before you say anything, I would like to say, yeah sure, there's no evidence that they were... how you say... in love with each other. And yes, it's all up to interpretation, but the dialogue does come close to something more than just friendship in my eyes. I won't deny that there could've been something between the warrior and Prince of Israel. I mean, gosh, they made a lot of covenants and David even dedicated a line to Jonathan about their "love". Do not hold this against me, we absolutely have no clue if they were more than just friends. But, I want to look into that possibility, I find it cute. Hey, if some people think Solomon and The Queen of Sheba had an affair, I can think that David and Jonathan did as well. If you'd like to look into what I'm talking about, I suggest looking at some links and discussions about David and Jonathan online. Or better yet, go to the Bible to read about their story, you should find it in 1 Samuel 20, I believe.
I just wanted to dedicate this picture of same-sex love to those who were lost the day of the shooting. I know a lot of Christians don't say this, but I support queerness all the way. God loves each and every person on this planet, he created us the way we are supposed to be! If you are queer, then God meant for you to be that way, don't let the twisted words of "followers" get to you. Hypocrisy is a big no-no in Christianity. No one should deny someone a path to the Lord because they're different. God certainly didn't do it with his people. He gave us the Golden Rule for a reason, it's high time we start following it. I hope you all have a nice day, it certainly took a lot of strength in me to post this.
P.S. I don't think things will get heated in the comments - I trust you guys to be respectful - but if they do, I won't hesitate to disable commenting.
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It's true that the shooting in Orlando was a grave tragedy. The Lord's hearts mourns for all the souls that where lost. It is also true that God does love everybody. That is why He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross on for our sins.
Romans 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
However, the Bible is clear in both the Old and New Testament that homosexuality is a sin.
Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"
Romans 1:26-28 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient"
God created marriage to be between a man and a woman.
Matthew 19: 4-6 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
I do not agree with the people who say that God hates homosexuals. He loves them dearly. That's why He died on the cross for them to deliver them from their sins. Homosexuality is a sin just as lying, stealing, and cheating are sins. Jesus' sacrifice has provided the way to set us free from all of that. There are many ex-homosexuals who testify that Christ has set them free from that lifestyle.
Also, the relationship between David and Jonathan was just friendship. It was more of a "brother from another mother" relationship.
I know this comment is already long so I am going to leave you a link to an article explaining it.
www.charismamag.com/blogs/fire…
P.S. I really like your Christian artwork. I hope this doesn't upset or seem hypocritical to you.
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Thank you for your kind words, but, one thing that must get out of the way is that Old Testament laws are no longer followed. At least with Gentiles. All was forgiven when Jesus died on the cross. New Testament, sure I can see where you're coming from, but I find it hard to believe that homosexuality is a sin while Jesus advocates for most of these people. He has said that "...For there are eunuchs that are born that way." (Matthew 19:12) - Perhaps you should look at this verse and the verses around it, he does say that there are some who can't follow this teaching of man and woman marriage; I think it's verse 11 that says this.
He of course doesn't hate anyone, but to say homosexuality is a sin - to me that seems way off. It's twisted to try and change a person out of who they were created to be. I don't say this much, but I do have a different sexuality, and I'm embracing it despite what others may say about having a different orientation. Will I get into heaven? Maybe not, but I highly doubt it'll be because of my preference in people. If people have somehow converted their sexuality, kudos to them, but I have found peace with the Lord without having to change my sexuality.
I'm open to any interpretation, but I do like this idea of a possible relationship. (At least not sexual in any way) But this link you gave me seems like it's written by a biased perspective. Even the title is written as "How I know..." A lot of self-entitlement there. "We’ve made killing babies a right, we celebrate fornication and we’re on a mad dash to legitimize gay marriage." This line sounds a little bit like an attack too.
Homosexuals want a healthy relationship just as any other heterosexual relationship would want! I'm glad you love my work, and I might not convince you in any sort of way, but I at least want you to understand where I'm coming from. God's love is for all and if a different sexuality is considered a sin, why even profess that His love is endless? Let me find a link to a sermon about this, it's an hour long, but I believe it comes from a good perspective. I'll get back to you on that, but thank you for commenting about this.
Edit: Aha! Found it, watch it if you'd like: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4e0q…
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I understand where you are coming from in Matthew 19:12 when Jesus speaks about the eunuchs being born like that. Jesus talks about eunuchs in three categories. From birth, physical castration, and singled out for the Kingdom of God. As you stated, Jesus is speaking about marriage, not sexual orientation so we must look at it from a prescriptive of marriage in that time period.
Here is an article going into more detail about it. I'm not sure if I made much sense in my brief explanation. carm.org/eunuch-homosexual
Also, Jesus said we must die to our flesh and be born again if we are to enter the Kingdom of God.
John 3:3-6 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."
It is not my place to say where your relationship is with God. That is between you and Him. I encourage you to seek Him yourself for the answer. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you're not saved because of this but you said you may or may not get to heaven. That is a pretty big might and eternity is far too long. It is always best to seek a closer walk with God and be absolutely 100% sure in Him. If you seek Him wholeheartedly, He will answer.
Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
Jeremiah 29:13 "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."
I understand homosexuals want a healthy relationship. I hesitate on saying this, however, many homosexuals have admitted they were abused into the relationship and up until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. I do not wish to offend you with this. Please forgive me if I had.
behaviorismandmentalhealth.com…
Lastly, you said "God's love is for all and if a different sexuality is considered a sin, why even profess that His love is endless?"
God's Love is not like our love which is often times sexual based. His Love is so deep and far beyond our understanding. It is agape love which is Greek for highest form of love that goes beyond all circumstances. David himself sums it up in Psalms 139:6
" Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it."
God's Love truly is endless for us despite of our sins or anything else. We can not lose or earn it. He loved us before the creation of time and He will continue to love us long after the world is gone.
I believe what you are referring to in that statement is John 13:34.
"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
As God has loved us. God does not love us sexually but unconditionally. We are to love each other in agape love like the love Jesus has for His Father and us.
This is a very sensitive topic. Please forgive me if I have upset you.
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I guess I can see your point there, but as I'm looking more at these verses, these chapters are particularly calling out divorce rather than anything have to do much with homosexuality. Would this still be able to argue against homosexuality or rather just an example for marriages to stay healthy?
I'm not sure what you mean by this verse. That when we die we let go of our worldly needs? Well yes, but I'm not sure where you're connecting it to.
I have prayed on this matter day and night for a year now and I've come to accept it, I'm not worried about it anymore. That being pushed aside, I'm focusing more on connecting with him rather than finding out how society can tell me who to be.
Yes, some people are abused into these relationships, but not all. You aren't offending me, don't worry. That being said, can't this be applied to heterosexual relationships? Everyone is susceptible to this behavior, regardless of orientation.
I didn't mean that it was humanly in any way. Yes, God is beyond our human understanding, I know that. I think you pretty much summed up His love, so I'll leave it at that. I consider him more family-like, even beyond that.
Don't worry, you're actually being a lot more respectable than how most people would react to this. You're just trying to prove a point and I'm trying to prove my. I just don't want people saying that if I don't let go of my preference then I'll never let go of sin.
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Sorry for the late reply.
I these verses speak about marriage and it does not address homosexuality. So I think it is just an example for marriages staying healthy. However, there are other verses that do speak against homosexuality.
I quoted this verse because you stated that people are born this way. Jesus said that we must be born again which is another phrase for accepting salvation. By dying to our to flesh I meant refusing to give into our old sin nature, how we were before we got saved, and refusing to give into sin with help from the Holy Spirit.
Ephesians 4:22 "That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts."
Romans 6:6 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."
I'm glad that you are focusing on connecting to God more. I suggest that you keep praying to Him about the subject. Sometimes He doesn't answer for a long time but He will eventually if we keep seeking Him. I mean, just look how long Abraham and Sarah waited to have a baby. It took years but God did give them a son.
Galatians 6:9 "And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not."
It is also true that everyone is susceptible to this behavior. However, statics show that it is higher in homosexual relationships.
winteryknight.com/2013/11/18/d… ;
I wasn't exactly sure what you meant earlier but I'm glad to see we are on the same page when it comes to God's Love.
Also, I'm glad that I have not offended you. Thank you for being really respectful also.
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Okay, I can see where you're getting at with these verses, but it doesn't look like this really singles homosexuality out. Most verses used against it are in the old testament, which as I've stated before, are old laws. The only verse I can see having a grip on arguing about this topic is Paul's Arsenkoite call out in Corinthians, but even then, there's no true definition on what a true "Arsenkoite" is.
Nothing's going to change with my view on my or anyone else's sexuality, that's for sure, I'm fine with the way I am and I think God is too. (I get concerned if people just start sleeping around; which is something that God is obviously against) I believe in my savior and I strive myself to keep me away from lying, cheating, and letting my life sink into the gutter. I don't think my sexuality hurts anyone except when others make it offensive.
I don't think the link works. I don't know how you get your information and I won't attack you because of it, but I hope that you didn't just find this article and accepted it as it is. I'd also like to say that just because it shows the percentage that do, does this really apply to the other percentage? It's like me saying "Straight relationships are forced more often than homosexuals, that being said, it's wrong to be straight and you should stay away from them." It might not be your intention, but that doesn't mean there can't even be healthy queer relationships.
No, thank you. Just keep in mind that there are plenty of people out there who have accepted their sexuality and have managed to balance themselves out with God regardless of what others tell them. You just gotta look at their perspectives and see why they still love God.
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Interesting opinion, although as far as the art is concerned i believe it is rather on the heretical side. The shooting in Florida was certainly a huge tragedy, and it.
personally i think queer lifestyles and anything related is wrong, simply because it says so in the Bible. BUT i think God still loves those people just as he loves everyone.everyone has their own personal sins. i personally have urges to steal (when I was 10 i stole a large number of Hot Wheels cars from Walmart), which i have learned to control, but they still happen nonetheless. Sin can be defined as anything against the will of God, and no one sin is worse than another. having homosexual desires is no worse than having desires to steal. The Bible says all have sinned, and the Bible says all sinners can get saved if they believe. it never bars any one sin from salvation. So as much as I believe homosexuality, etc is wrong, God still loves EVERYone.
Sorry if this is too long-winded.I just had to get that out. God bless y'all!
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One thing I must point out in the Bible is wherever it said that "homosexuality/queer is wrong", it would most likely have been in the Old Testament. And in the Old Testament, it's laws were/are no longer valid after Jesus died on the cross. While you are right saying God loves his people no matter what, you're making out that people's lives are sin themselves. Loving someone romantically is not the same as stealing, love is giving. It doesn't matter if you're homosexual, queer or not, you don't have to be forgiven for it, just look at the Eunuch being baptised story! So do not call love a sin or even compare it to a commandment sin. I'm sorry if I sound harsh here, but it really can't be said any other way for me. If you don't want this to turn into a discussion, I'm totally fine with that, we all have different outlooks and I know how overwhelming a discussion can get. God bless to you too.
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While what you said about the OT law is true, Paul also comments on homosexuality in 1st Corinthians
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Could you please provide the verse?
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Now, I would like to type a longer paragraph, but I'm at a party and have no time to actually type an extensive comment, but I can give you a link I found about this verse! www.gaychristian101.com/how-do…
Take a look and make of it what you will, I have to return to the party.
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As a Christian, I would like to support the queer community. I find it sad that my cousin and his partner aren't allowed to be married, and that my sister's friend has to go to an embassy to get married to her partner. I find it sad that a queer nightclub is host to a tragic loss of life. And I find it saddest of all that our bible, a book that encourages love and denounces hatred, is used as justification for narrow mind thinking. We are all children of God, and God made us to love one another, whoever that might be.
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A lot of Christians love to twist meanings and reshape truth. And I do get it, we all want to hear what we want to hear, but to deny people the love of Christ and to love one another (In more ways than one)? That is no way to follow in God's footsteps. I would like to say that so far, people in this comment section have been behaving really well, better than what I expected. Thanks for the kind words.
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I find it hurtful that after this shooting, Christians are being pointed at and blamed. From my own personal experience, Christians and gays are getting along pretty well right now. I love this picture and the concept behind it!
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Yeah, I think most people like to focus on the negative rather than the positive. But you're right, both get along well, and I'm glad that change is happening. Thank you!
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Of course! I hope to see more from you in the future!
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Very good picture. I would like to say that I admire you greatly for your open attitude with your religion, and I love your pictures of them (even if it was your Bionicle fanart which led me to you).
However, I would like to point out that, in the Bible, the word "love" is used frequently and is often misinterpreted in modern times. This is because, in the original greek, there are many different words meaning different kinds of love, and they are all translated to the same English word which has come to mean romantic love, eros in greek, and nothing else. However, other kinds of love are used, such as philia, which is the love between friends, agape, which is the unconditional love of God for everyone, and also family love, the word for which I can't recall at the moment. But these are all translated as the same word, and this can be misleading in English language Bibles.
That being said, I have no idea which word is used to define the relationship between David and Jonathan, and it could be eros, for all I know. And, in any case, they do make a cute couple, especially in this picture.
Before I leave, if I got any of the words wrong, please do correct me, and if you know the family love word, do tell. And one other thing... could you (as in, everybody who reads this post) attempt to use the word love more? For I feel that it is tragic that we have lost so many terms of affection in the modern language, and we should all show that there is more than one kind of love in the world.
Thank you for reading, and sorry for the long post.
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Thank you for pointing that out! I've read a few discussions and I can't remember the words that they use to describe it. I think it was agape? I have no clue, I'm no expert on this, but I know I had to do my research, maybe you should look it up to. (Also, my way of thinking of their love was non-sexual; so just like a romantic love, nothing beyond that. That could be the likelier case.)
Like I said, I have no clue about most of the language and I'm no expert. I wish I could tell you, but if I can remember from previous Bible classes, I think you got them right. ^ ^' I could use love a lot more, but at the time, I just wasn't thinking that way. I wasn't trying to be conservative either, I just didn't really think about it as I typed. But if that's how you feel, I'll consider using "love" a lot more. Thank you for your words, you were very respectful with this!
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Well said! I have to admit, sometimes after tragedies like Orlando I wonder if maybe we'd be better off without religion, but then I see people like you and I'm reminded that faith can be a source of love, hope and wisdom instead of fear and hatred.
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Hey, can't deny it, there are diamonds in black coals.
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This is a beautiful tribute, Ani, I'm really glad to see people like you spreading the message of love and support for one another, especially now, in a time where we really need it. I personally don't care about historical accuracy or whatever; it's a powerful message that needs to be said now more than ever.
Also, not to be that person who judges what makes a "true Christian" or whatever, but as a Christian myself, I feel like love and tolerance are 100% in line with what we believe, and hatred and bigotry is not. But hey, what do I know. You've done a good job conveying that sentiment of love and acceptance here, and I think it'll be a crying shame if some people can't see past the queer aspect of the picture and disregard your beautiful message.
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Awww, thank you so much Epi! Yeah, if any time there needs to be support, now's the time. And you're right, a Christian will have to question a lot in what they believe in, but one thing they don't need to question is God's love for all. Thanks for the comment, it lifted my spirits up.
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LOL do you WANT to get flamed dude
cause this is how u get flamed
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I KNOW WHAT I'VE GOTTEN MYSELF INTO! I'll handle it, I'm not a baby.
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duuuude the christians are gonna eat u alive
better watch out the religon of lovin and kindness is gonna kick ur ass
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Bro, chill out, a lot of us aren't as bloodthirsty as you say.
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and a lot of us are even more bloodthristy than i say
anyhoo good luck and cyoot pairing BTW k bye.
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