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This map of Northern Ireland shows its component counties and their coats of arms. The counties are based on the traditional nine counties of Ulster, not the six counties of modern Northern Ireland.Related content
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I thought Tyrone's symbol was a hand that eventually became the symbol of Ulster.
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What I did is looked at the Coat of Arms for County Tyrone, which contains the hand you were talking about as well as the white and black star I've used.
I chose to use the one part of the coat of arms as i though it looked better on the map.
The full arms can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tyrβ¦
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Londonderry is medieval? I think not - the plantation and city designated Londonderry was founded in 1613 - which is well out of the medieval period. Prior to that it would have been know as Derry.
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No offence but why does an American even care about the name of a shithole city like Derry? Or assume that calling it Londonderry is out of bigotry rather than the fact that it is the technical name of the city?
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Irish-American and proud! Note I did not got to the bigot place at first - only after you refused to admit or provide reasonable rational for your error.
i just bought a book called
Historical Maps of Ireland by Michael Swift [link]
While I cannot say it covers every Irish map in existence I believe it is an good overview. In it on page 73 is a full map of Ireland dated to 1759, which uses the county name of Londonderry. No earlier map in the book has this designation. I have no problem with you doing a post 1613 era map and calling it Londonderry, as this would reflect a political reality of the time - but a medieval map that does so is nothing but the worst kind of historical revisionism. Check your facts sir.
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Somehow I knew already. I am an Irishman living in Ulster and doing a degree in history, specifically Ireland during the Ulster Plantation. I never said you weren't right in the years for naming the county either Derry or Londonderry (before 1613 the county was known as Coleraine). Also about the whole "bigot" thing, at what point you said it is meaningless to me, the fact you brought it up at all is rather disheartening that someone would make that conclusion. It's a map that someone made because they enjoy making them, I don't think any bigotry was involved. Besides what if the cartographer was a Unionist from Northern Ireland?
Though not to point out an irony, this isn't my map. I believe you're confusing me with . Didn't make this or have any input in it.
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Thanks for the help with this, its much appreciated.
"A map that someone made because they enjoy making them" is exactly right. I was very suprised when it started to be an issue.
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I live in Northern Ireland and I am more than well aware of the controversy surrounding the name of the city. However choosing one name over the other does not make anyone a bigot, and in the case of the creator of this map it was likely just a simple mistake.
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Just to clarify, itβs not specifically a map of medieval Ulster. The extent of Ulster was fluid during most of the High Middle Ages (11th - 14th Centuries) achieving its Nine County definition during the reign of James VI of Scotland/I of England (1567/1603 - 27 March 1625)
I decided to use a nine county definition, rather than the six of modern Northern Ireland as I thought it looked better on this style of map. Thatβs why I said based on medieval Ulster. Perhaps a better wording would be "The counties are based on the largest extent Ulster once covered, not the borders of modern Northern Ireland".
Hope that explains what I meant a bit better.
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You're still wrong with picking Londonderry instead of Derry - repeat Londonderry was founded in 1613! I can only assume you have some bigoted reason for insisting on calling it Londonderry since you won't respond to facts. I assume you're aware of the politics behind the struggle over the name Londonderry vs Derry. But calling it Londonderry in the medieval period BEFORE the plantation was established you are consciously revising history to favor one side while running roughshoad over the facts.
It's exactly like insisting on calling Istanbul, Istanbul on a pre 15th century map instead of Constantinople in order to advance a pro-Turkish or Islamic claim to the city retroactively.
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Assumption is the mother of all screw ups.
1.I've never even been to this place.
2.As far as I can see, I haven't disputed your facts.
3.I don't appreciated being called bigoted.
4.I picked Londonderry as that was the name on the source map I used. Thatβs it.
5.I truly have no idea what your problem is. If you can reply without being insulting, Iβm happy to talk. If you canβt be nice, please go elsewhere.
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If you're actually genuinely pleading ignorance of the issue then i apologize.
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Apology Accepted, I didn't even know there was an issue over the names. I knew there were two names, but I though it was a bit like saying Germany/Deutschland or Spain/Espanya.
I had no intention of getting mixed up in Irish politics.
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I've also taken out the word medieval from the description. Does that solve your problem?
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I like it, you should do one for the whole of Ireland
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