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Maddi-Sans [2016-04-16 20:39:21 +0000 UTC]
I don't necessarily believe that they "married" after the events of SP, I like to think they spend that time "dating" whilst Simba teaches them both heavily. Of course, Kiara's growing into an adult, so of course she'd be like this, but when she grows older, I see her becoming more mature (and she actually did when she stopped the war and tried to speak peace to her father) I just ike to think that, Kiara is more of a peace maker, whilst Kovu's more of a fighter. Also, sure they did fall in love in a few days, but it was only one day when Simba and Nala fell in love, right? You now, after years of thinking he's dead, bam! They fall in love that same day? By that logic, I believe they'll make good rulers but that's just my opinion.
(Plus, in TLG (The lion guard) seems o bring Kovu back so maybe we'll finally get some more character development from them. Heck, maybe they'll make a.. retcon? Is that how you say it? Of Simba's pride, possibly giving it some more development. )
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Taskasakia In reply to Maddi-Sans [2016-04-16 22:09:38 +0000 UTC]
I see your reasoning, but honestly, the ending of TLK 2 was very badly done, so I cannot see Kiara being mature in the film at all. Whilst she did stop the war, the outsiders (according to the film) are 'backstabbing' and 'murderous', have no quarrels with murder (they almost killed Simba) and don't mind taking the Pridelands by force, even if it involves killing the other pride. The Pridelanders and the outsiders may be the same species, but Kiara is wrong in saying that they are the same. They are very different ideologically, and that has never gone well historically. If the film was somewhat realistic and not centred around the goodness of Kiara as a Mary Sue, then Simba would not listen to her, due to the risk to the Pride as a whole (and that they almost killed him not one day ago). As it is, I don't see the Outsiders and Pridelanders getting along at all. And that, alongside the issue of the multiple rivals to the throne, is what sends the Pridelands into a bloody downward spiral (in my universe).
I have already said in previous comments how I do not believe that Kovu is a fighter, nor is Kiara a peace maker (though I would say she is more of a pacifist, which is not a bad thing).
And while the love in TLK was somewhat rushed for story purposes, it made sense. Simba and Nala had been best friends before the stampede and so knew each other, and they did have a reunion fling in the jungle, but they were both adults who hadn't seen each other in a while and were attracted to each other. While Disney is hinting at True Love, this isn't necessarily so, more likely lust. They both separated and it took Simba to return home (showing bravery and responsibility by doing so) for Nala and himself to stand side by side.
Kovu and Kiara met as cubs sure, but only for half an hour as compared to the months/years (lion/human time) that Simba and Nala spent together as cubs. And (something many people tend to forget) Kovu had a mission to kill Simba, her father. If Kiara wasn't such a Mary Sue, he wouldn't have changed his mind so easily, and Simba would have been dead if the plot remained similar. Because boys like Kovu exist in real life, and it does not end like TLK. They may seem damaged and so girls may want to fix them, but sometimes, it ends horribly wrong (This can happen with reversed sexes as well, but its more common this way). And also, that Kiara too the word of a guy she has only known for a few days over the word of her father, who has raised her, loved her, and has just been attacked and almost killed by outsiders. And then callously compared him to his father, and dismissed everything Simba has gone through.
But I like artists/writers who can portray Kiara and Kovu well as good mature leaders. Because usually, this means the artist takes a closer look at them and develops their characters, making them interesting and worth caring for, something which doesn't happen in the movie (at least for me).
The main problem I have with both characters (and the whole movie) is that with some edits, it could have been great. As it is, I only really like some of the songs and the outsiders, and I find the main characters infuriating.
But if you can see something I can't, that's great! This is all just my own opinion
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PhantomPhan21 [2016-04-14 18:38:52 +0000 UTC]
Geez. At this point I would just start training Kovu, at least he seems to care. Kiara might learn watching Kovu later on rather than lessons with Simba, too.
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PhantomPhan21 In reply to Taskasakia [2016-04-14 19:47:31 +0000 UTC]
The best solution would have been to train them together, let, or make, they play to each other's strengths and weakness and bring in the others as advisers when needed. Kovu focuses on the task at hand and Kiara has a more gentle nature to handle arguments with a gentler paw than her mate. If they could work together things would turn out pretty well.
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Taskasakia In reply to PhantomPhan21 [2016-04-14 20:05:21 +0000 UTC]
They do train together in these lessons (after all, I doubt Kiara would be happy without Kovu by her side). And honestly, I disagree with what you say above. If Kiara and Kovu ran the Pridelands, then (unless we give them different motives/characteristics/personalities/backstories from TLK 2) then I would that it would all fall apart.
Kiara is too naive (believing a guy she just met and believing his word over her father's. Guys like this exist, and it rarely ends well for the girl. Not to mention that if Kovu did not magically become good, she would have doomed herself, her parents and her entire pride) and entitled (she constantly complains about her father's treatment of her, which isn't that bad, and purposefully compared him to Mufasa after he had almost been killed by the Outlanders and (from what he knew) Kovu in anger that he did not believe her).
And Kovu is more than likely severely damaged from Zira. If you have been raised as a hateful vengeful killer since birth, thats going to leave some permeant scarring even if you find love (and in my universe, this scarring deeply affects him and his family). Not to mention, he isn't very strong (he got easily taken out at the Outsider ambush whilst Simba endured) and it seems he can't stay too focused, as he gets quickly and easily distracted from the crown take over by Kiara. He is also quite weak willed, he prefers to run from the problems that affect him and he doesn't take a leading role whatsoever in the movies. Kovu is more of a follower than a leader, and Kiara isn't a very good one, which doesn't make a strong royal couple. :/
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