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Tattered-Dreams In reply to walktrotcanter7 [2012-12-02 08:52:34 +0000 UTC]
Flying changes are hilarious fun to teach, and I wanted to write about this, because I'd been doing it recently (the pole way) too, and I find its always nice if you can elaborate and take from experience
I've heard of the diagonal method you used but a lot of the horses I ride would go to pieces because they don't understand proper bend and flexion (it was either nutters at college, or typical ponies at a riding school ) I don't think any of them can do a half pass, and many struggle with a leg yield . A while back when we tried the pole exercise for the first time, my instructor was saying a pole is a bit of a cheat, because it makes them really take off for the stride, so changing their legs is easier. With the mare I first did it with - Dixie - we got it really fast because she's a natural with leads when jumping, so the pole didn't phase her and she was looking to take the left lead after it anyway. It is an awesome feeling, though, when you work at something over and over and finally get something epic for it
And thank you so much; I never know if it'll work when I talk about riding technically. There's some (like you) who enjoy that because you know the aids so you can follow it. There's others who lose the plot with technical talk and end up wishing I'd just said 'he kicked and the horse stumbled and cantered off again' (which, to me, sucks). As I said at the start, I like to write from experience because you can usually make it so much more detailed and accurate, so I'm really glad you liked this story and thought it read okay ^^
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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-01 20:49:47 +0000 UTC]
He was a right pain in the arse to ride though - he didn't know the meaning of straight lines. XD
lol, ex-racers are always funny to watch - I rode with one on a hack and he got so freaked out by a rider putting their whole weight on his back that he had to be ridden in the forward seat at anything faster than a walk!
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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-01 21:20:22 +0000 UTC]
They can't be as bad as the pony we rode with on the beach - he literally trotted sidewise the entire ride. XD (sorry to keep spamming you with videos but I haven't watched these myself in a loooong time, lol)
[link] (he's doing his thing nearly straight away - I'm on the wee tiny grey pony who keeps getting left behind, lol)
Yeah, I don't mind it when some of the older horses race because they've the age and experience to do it but I can't stand seeing youngsters racing - granted, Cruz was backed at two (nearly three) but she was in really light work and wasn't being expected to gallop and jump. :/
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-07 13:38:52 +0000 UTC]
Haha, he's epic!! But Sai (my beloved chestnut Arabian) could give him a run for his money We tried trotting poles one day, but he literally did a turn on the forehand and side passed the whole line of them, twisted straight again at the end and trotted away, leg yielding himself out to the wall. We were all in hysterics. (as for the getting left behind, I used to loan a tinker gelding and I went out hacking with some other girls on their warmbloods - we got left way back during a gallop across the field XD).
Nah, even older racehorses I don't like to see. Its not just the young age - its the way of life they're subjected to. One story I know of is a racehorse stallion worth millions was retired early (because his owner didn't want to risk injuring him by keeping him running) but he was worth so much, that he wasn't allowed to be turned out, put on a horse walker, exercised or interact with other horses - all in case of injury. I was given this 'case scenario' in college, and I got really ticked off in the middle of my lesson - my teacher was trying to talk me down XD. But that's just one aspect; there's so much behind the scenes that has nothing to do with the training and racing itself that Ijust don't approve of.
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-21 22:29:55 +0000 UTC]
Aha! Only eleven days late -dies- Sorry for the ages I keep taking
Hehe, Sai rarely annoyed me (though he certainly did tick other people off. I think Arabian antics are a very much acquired taste. That or its like marmite - love 'em or hate 'em XD).
Unfortunately, with racing, you have to start training early because the bones have to undergo 'loading', and that's much easier from a younger age, when the bones are still developing and fusing. It just means that problems are far more likely, too
And that stuff about stallions is true. People are taught to be wary of stallions because of their behaviour, but half of the time, they're as bad as they are because we're handling them differently. Its a stupid circle, and because the racing world don't care what a horse is like in the box, as long as it runs straight, it's not one that's going to be broken any time soon.
And lol, tangents are fine; I just find I try not to really get into it with topics like this, where I have strong opinions, because I feel a bit like a bulldozer in how I write my outlook on it. Racing and the Twilight saga are my worst ones
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-21 22:58:20 +0000 UTC]
Haha, good to know XD
Never? Yikes Sai's the one horse I'll never forget riding; really sweet action in his trot and a canter like a rocking horse, with these little skips when he changed leads or kicked it up a notch and he carried himself without leaning on your hand at all, too . All I can do is recommend you go for it if you ever get the chance. (and now I need to stop talking about him, coz it makes me miss him )
Exactly that.
And I've seen a wonderful video of a french horseman (I don't usually like the term 'whisperer', but I guess that's what you'd call him) who handled an excited stallion with his pinky finger on a slack lead rope, while a mare stood nearby. That stallion had such respect for that man, his space and direction. People just need to handle the horse in a way that they can understand and appreciate. They use body language, first and foremost, to communicate, so they might learn to fear a whip or loud voice, but they'll never learn to respect it in the same way as a strong signal or vocal tone.
(on a slight tangent; have you heard of the horseman Jean Francois Pignon? I love to watch his displays because he's all about the body language, and its clear his horses all want to do their best for him).
Haha! I watched the first film and thought it was average, then I read all four books in three weeks. It was only when I started reading them again that it hit me very hard and belatedly that they're absolute rubbish. And Edward Cullen needs several restraining orders and a prison sentence. Though Bella getting pregnant did annoy me no end the first time around - maybe because I don't want kids or to get married and I really resent the idea that being a mom and wife is all a girl should want from life. My big problem with it is how many teen girls will read it and then get into an abusive relationship because they're under the impression that they're in a perfect/romantic one
...As you can see...you really shouldn't get me started, either . There's a fantastic essay someone did which literally tears the book to pieces, using arguments from the fans and author to fuel it, which I totally love and is linked on my profile XD.
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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-24 01:20:47 +0000 UTC]
Our yard mainly had cobs and partbreds, I think the only purebreds they had were a couple of IDs, Highlands and Welshies! lol I'm probably way too heavy to ride one at the moment anyway so it's probably for the best, lol.
'And I've seen a wonderful video of a french horseman (I don't usually like the term 'whisperer', but I guess that's what you'd call him) who handled an excited stallion with his pinky finger on a slack lead rope, while a mare stood nearby. That stallion had such respect for that man, his space and direction. People just need to handle the horse in a way that they can understand and appreciate. They use body language, first and foremost, to communicate, so they might learn to fear a whip or loud voice, but they'll never learn to respect it in the same way as a strong signal or vocal tone. '
^ That. *nods*
Yes! I've seen his stuff before and watched his display from Olympia tonight on tv. I can never make up my mind how I feel about him though, he obviously knows what he's doing and treats the horses well but they always seem to have their ears pinned and I can't work out whether that's just from being pressed up to all the other horses or something else. The youngsters he had in the show tonight were amazing - to have that much trust in him at that age is remarkable!
I'm afraid to say that I've read all the books too. >.< Not because I liked them or particularly wanted to, I was bored and hoped they'd improve only to find that they just got worse and worse! On the plus side, having read them does come in handy when confronting the twihards as you can quote the source material in your argument for how utterly shit they all are. XD I really do feel sorry for Robert Pattinson though; he loathes Twilight as much as we do and will forever have the black mark of sparkly vampires on his acting record.
'And Edward Cullen needs several restraining orders and a prison sentence. Though Bella getting pregnant did annoy me no end the first time around - maybe because I don't want kids or to get married and I really resent the idea that being a mom and wife is all a girl should want from life. My big problem with it is how many teen girls will read it and then get into an abusive relationship because they're under the impression that they're in a perfect/romantic one '
^ Everything you just said sums up my feelings on the matter too! It's so enfuriating!
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-24 01:44:31 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, my riding stables is packed with mongrels XD. Peggy is a lovely, heavier horse I've been working with the last few months, and I'm sure she's got tinker in her, but she's not pure. College had a fair few warmbloods and a few sport horses, plus a handful of horses listed as 'cob cross', but there were only a couple of purebreds which included two off the track TB racers, a few welshies, Sai, the only Arabian, an Anglo Arabian and an Ardenne. Most places don't have many purebreds, I don't think - that seems to be more of an American thing.
And that's kind of cool to know you agree with my thoughts on 'whispering'. There's a lot of controversy around it, and you never quite know how someone will react to your thoughts
As for Pignon - I've now seen him live twice, and watched performances on TV/youtube. I've never really noticed his horses with pinned ears. In a few cases, I think they rotate them to the sides in a sign of relaxation, but what I have noticed is that they will fold their ears back. Horses can often look like they're pinning their ears, but rather than being fear or aggression, its simply blocking sound from getting down to the eardrum. Having been at Olympia, I know the crowd is generally hushed, but they can clap loudly suddenly, and the music really pounds out, so that could explain it.
But, of course, there could be actual pinning of the ears because horses - though they all respect Pignon - will always be vyying for positions in their own heirarchy, and that's just more body language. That's the way I see it, anyway. I've seen live and televised displays from Monty Roberts, Kelly Marks, Pat and Linda Parelli and there's bits of them that I take with me, and bits that I dislike. Same with Pignon, but there's notably less I dislike about his performances (that said, I've never watched one of his clinics, so maybe that could change my mind). The foals in his newest display were definitely fantastic to watch, though the star of that show will always be the little Shetland
On Twilight...I read it at the time because I love vampire mythology and figured it would be another interesting take on them. But as you said - I'm glad I have now, just because its nice to watch diehard fans faces when you argue against them, using the book to back up its own flaws. One of the very common arguments is 'how would you know it's bad - you haven't even read it!' I just love to smile innocently and say 'actually...I kinda have.'
I've never been a fan of Rob's. I was kind of 'meh' when he was cast as Cedric Diggory, but I kept sniggering in the cinema when I watched him as Edward, and nothing about his acting career has sold me on his ability (I'm not huge on Taylor Lautner, either, but I do prefer him, if only because he's making a name away from the series). I also heard murmurs that Rob and Kristen both only publicly said they disliked the series and were only in it for the money after the war broke out over it and it started getting torn down. But I don't know them, so I'm not going to assume either way, though.
And you too, huh? The whole perception of relationships, boundaries, right/wrong and roles is just so awful to me. Infuriating is definitely the word
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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-27 13:51:35 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, never mind that run of the mill, common or garden cobs are considered 'purebreds' over there too. XD
I don't like it when people only go by one 'method' or way of thinking - half of horsemanship in general is just common sense, reading the horse's body language and treating each animal as an individual - what works with one won't always work on others. I can't stand Parelli simply because of the way it's marketed in that in order to ride up the ranks of your 'partnership' with your horse you need to fork out an inordinate amount of money for courses and gadgets. The most equipment you should need is a rope and halter when all's said and done. :/
'But, of course, there could be actual pinning of the ears because horses - though they all respect Pignon - will always be vyying for positions in their own heirarchy, and that's just more body language.'
Yeah, that's how I saw it too but it's kinda a shame that they can't have them forward a bit more, lol I loved that one foal who kept bombing off round the arena bucking his legs off; right little firecracker he was. XD
' I'm glad I have now, just because its nice to watch diehard fans faces when you argue against them, using the book to back up its own flaws. One of the very common arguments is 'how would you know it's bad - you haven't even read it!' I just love to smile innocently and say 'actually...I kinda have.' '
Same! XD The best way to win those kind of arguments is to throw their own stuff right back at them. They can't argue with the source material!
I haven't really seen him in anything other than HP and Twilight either but the few times I've seen him in interviews and things he seems like a nice guy who's now trapped in the shadow of one of the worst characters ever committed to paper.
I saw somewhere (probably tumblr, lol) a thing which showed that the book perpetuates pretty much every instance of a controlling abusive relationship possible. He controls her entire life to the point that she's actually WANTING to die so she can be with him forever. How is that in any way healthy?! *explodes with rage*
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2013-01-30 22:57:27 +0000 UTC]
Aha!! Finally responding to this text wall!
I'm pretty against using a single method when working with horses, too. I used to like a lot of Monty Roberts' ethics, but I haven't studied him for a few years. I did a study on Parelli for my uni course, and worked at a stable which runs a pony share business entirely with Parelli's teachings. When I started, I liked a lot of the ideas behind it and was really keen to get stuck in, but the more I worked there, and the more research I did for my project, the less I agreed with it.
I've got to the point where I appreciate his teachings, but take them all with a pinch of salt, and I'm not really keen on the man himself. I saw an awful video during which this supposedly 'natural' horseman, threw his own philosophies out the window during a display and got into an argument with a famous horse called Catwalk - you can find it on youtube easy enough. And I've seen several of his own videos where he says things that just make me go "What? That's idiotic!". The idea of levels and ropes is just one aspect - but I don't like that either. For Gods' sake - what's wrong with using a lunge line and a schooling stick? and all this 'you shouldn't ride with a bit until you have control without' - for a lot of people, they ride traditionally, but like to practice the games for fun alongside.
As for Pignon - haha, the little rebel foal was a lot of fun Gotta love 'em
And lol; yes! Fighting Twi-hards with the books themselves is the best! Watching their expressions just makes my day
XD, I guess he is trapped in the shadow a bit, but I just don't think he's good looking at all - I think he looks kind of awkward on screen, so I don't like watching him act now anyway. I have seen him in a movie called 'Remember Me' which I watched because of the plot and his co-star, Emilie De Ravin, and he wasn't awful, but still kind of...*off*. And I wanted to see Water for Elephants for the horses, but A combination of the circus setting and Rob in another romantic lead role put me off
And it does (did you by chance check out the essay I linked to on my profile about Twilight? It takes pretty much every argument you could think of with the series, and uses brilliant logic, science and reasoning to tear it up) I love it, but there are plenty of other good articles on it. You're right - practically all the major signs of abuse are in the books, like Meyer had been ticking off a checklist as she wrote
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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2013-02-12 00:31:03 +0000 UTC]
And now I'm finally replying to this one! lol
It's definitely not for everyone - no matter how good a method is, there's always going to be one horse that doesn't respond well to it and you'll need to compromise which is why I'd never settle on just one 'way'.
I tend not to watch much in the way of demos and the like but yeah, I've seen enough to be a bit :/ about him.
' The idea of levels and ropes is just one aspect - but I don't like that either. For Gods' sake - what's wrong with using a lunge line and a schooling stick? and all this 'you shouldn't ride with a bit until you have control without' - for a lot of people, they ride traditionally, but like to practice the games for fun alongside.'
Exactly!
Yeah, I read it all ages ago - so, bloody, true. >.<
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to Madalyion [2012-12-04 17:19:39 +0000 UTC]
She had fun free jumping, so we'll keep our fingers crossed XD
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Tattered-Dreams In reply to Zephyrra [2012-11-30 23:48:36 +0000 UTC]
I'll hide in a bomb shelter while the notices go out, I think XD
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