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Tattered-Dreams — (Mandatory) Heart in Your Hands

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Stable: Lakewood Farm
Horse Number: 1
Horse Name: Kiwi
Entry: Mandatory

Storyline:
1. Mandatory: First Meeting
2. Optional: The First Steps
3. Optional: Interlude - Things for the Future
4. Optional: Breakthrough
5. Optional: Building Trust
6. Mandatory: Mishap - Halter Training
7. Optional: Progression
8. Optional: Mishap - Early Saddle Sessions
9. Mandatory: Backing
10. Optional: Mounting Up
11. Mandatory: Flat Training: You are Here
12. Optional: Jump training
13. Optional: Christmas Hack
14. Optional: Kaimanawa Hack
15. Optional: Beach/water riding
16. Optional: The Future



Woohoo! Finally, we made it Kiwi's in training

But because Kiwi's in higher demand than I'd ever have imagined when we got her back in September (?) another training image for her jumping will come

Title is from a Mary Anne Kennedy song of the same name ^^

Story should explain most of this image, but I just want to be clear about the training aids I've drawn. They're draw reins (also called running reins, I believe) and there's a lot of dispute over how they should be used and when. This way of rigging them is generally considered 'milder' because the fixed point isn't as low. The reins are attached to the girth between the forelegs or either side, under the saddle. They're run through the bit (which must be a plain snaffle) and held with the snaffle rein (the reins must be plain leather, too).

Over or incorrect use of them can easily result in wrong self carriage, charging through the bit, leaning on the hand, incorrect muscle development and long term or latent problems with movement. There's other factors, but these are the main ones.

But, used sparingly and correctly, the can offer support and guidance into the bridle. When the horse attempts to lean on the bit, it can find itself leaning on its own weight, rather than your hand, so they can be used to prevent that, and other bad habits, making them lighter on the forehand and encouraging freer movement.

In this picture, I hope it's clear that Kiwi's draw reins are actually loose - they're attached properly, but Alec only brings the rein into action when he feels Kiwi needs it for whatever reason. Otherwise, he works only with the snaffle rein. His useage of them is explained more in the story.

I personally wouldn't use draw reins. Not only because I don't feel I'd use them properly, but also because even if I could, I think the potential for disaster far outweighs the good they can do. This is another instance in which Alec and I differ .

As for the other schooling, some of it is what I would do and have done when schooling horses progressively, some is what my group was working towards with our college youngstock colt, Foxy, and some is just common sense (to me).

Lastly, the halfpad/sheepskin riser under the saddle is just a bit of a shock absorber while Kiwi really settles to the rider's weight. The wraps are also just extra support for the tendons now that Kiwi's in regular work and bearing a rider. Both are not necessary but just preferences of Alec's when training.



"Over-No, over - not stand on me!" Twitch hurried back a step as Kiwi stamped her hindquarters into the place she'd been standing. Alec, sitting on board, laughed into the cold air.

"Oh, hilarious," Twitch muttered, though she was smiling. "Getting ploughed down wasn't on my list of things to do today."

"Ploughed?" Alec scoffed. "She's fourteen three!"

Twitch shot a look at Kiwi's face - she was chomping happily on her bit, eyes glinting with playfulness and breath blowing out in clouds. "Wheelbarrowed, then."

"That is smaller than a plough," Alec shrugged. "Try again?"

"Not like that. Hang on." Twitch left the pair stood in the middle of the school and ran over to fetch the fallen lunge whip further down. She hurried back, flicking the tail out over the frost littered mix surface. Kiwi's ears flicked towards the movement in curiosity. They'd done enough work with carrot sticks and natural ground games by now that responding to strings was instinctive and fun for her.

"We'll try this," Twitch called to Alec, keeping more of a distance so the mare's hardy hooves were out of range. "Apply your aids and I'll put the pressure on. Ready?"

"Go," Alec nodded. Still smiling, he focused on how he held the cotton reins in his hands as he slowly slid his right leg back and pressed gently to Kiwi's side. He opened a leading hand to the left at the same time Twitch leaned in to the mare's quarters and raised the lunge whip, drawing small circles in the air.

Kiwi shuffled and then obligingly swung her quarters to the left in a small but smooth pivot.

Twitch took off the pressure and Alec moved his leg back into place as they both called out in praise. Kiwi arched her neck with pride.

"Good girl," Twitch called fifteen minutes later, when the Kaimanawa had gotten the exercise enough to just need Alec's touch to her side to start pivoting her quarters to the left. It didn't mean they weren't back at square one when they tried to get her to swing right.

...

"Why always so early?" Twitch asked through chattering teeth.

Alec smirked and threw an arm over her shoulders. Her skin was already flushed from the cold, but Alec thought she might be blushing less and less because of him. She looked up at him from the middle of a mass of fabric that was her scarf, hat, coat and riding face mask, only her grey eyes visible - silvery and glassy in the icy morning. She didn't duck out from under his arm.

Kiwi snorted next to them as they headed into the school.

"Because she's quite active at this time of day," Alec said. "Though she is getting better."

In the wild, she would have been most active at dawn and dusk, and it was slowly becoming clear to her that she didn't have to lie low during the day now. Still she was very keen in the early morning and seemed to learn best, so Alec still rode before the feeds went around.

"What's today, then?"

It was a week since their early attempts at a turn on the forehand, and Alec was doing something new with Kiwi each day so she could always look forward to being ridden whilst not overloading her with anything. After they'd gotten her used to the very basics and she could be ridden in a walk, trot and canter and back to halt with all the correct aids, Alec started working on refinement and getting her to work correctly, as she had been in their ground sessions. He believed a horse should be taught to work correctly from the start. But between those sessions, they did work on new school movements and lateral work as well as riding around the farm, so Kiwi didn't begin to rely on the security of the fence or lean on the rails.

"Basics."

"Gotcha," Twitch nodded. She now slid away from Alec, ducked under Kiwi's neck and stood her other side to pull down the stirrup and check the girth. Her usual cotton reins had been switched for leather ones so that the old set of draw reins could be used safely. They were already attached and resting loosely through the snaffle rings.

Alec buckled his hat, rested his weight in his stirrup and then gently swung up. He settled in the saddle, patted Kiwi's shoulder reassuringly and gathered up the snaffle rein. Twitch stood back and with a gentle touch to the mare's sides, Alec walked away with her.

They warmed up in the biting air, getting Kiwi's - and Alec's - muscles moving properly until the mare was moving freely and happily into the bridle. With all the ground schooling encouraging her to carry herself correctly, Kiwi hadn't taken long to realise a rider didn't prevent her moving the same as always. Often, it was just for transitions and changes of rein that the draw reins were brought into play to help her balance. Today she was going well and Alec only had to pick up the second reins when completing a demi volte and asking for a walk to canter direct transition.

"Thoughts?" Alec asked as he trotted over to Twitch on the fence and coaxed Kiwi to a stop.

Twitch was hidden in her folds of fabric, hood now pulled up, too, but she sounded alert when she replied, "Nice. Balanced, forward, nice and supple. She looks a bit more comfortable on the left than the right and a couple of times she's looked like she wanted to strike off on the wrong leg for canter, but her action's calmed down some and she doesn't step so high anymore."

"More comfortable, too," Alec smirked. "I was going to introduce a flying change."

Twitch's eyes clouded in consideration and they swept over the school. It was almost as though she were playing out the potential disasters like a movie in front of her, but Alec knew this was something she tended to do when recalling a memory. Kiwi had been in ridden work for weeks and they'd been doing simple changes which she coped well with.

"I think you should try," Twitch said after a moment. "I'll put a pole down and you can use it as a take off to help her change while she's in the air. Lets get the draw reins off, though - just to be safe because she may leap."

Twitch un hooked them from the girth, and Alec drew them back through the bit rings and tossed them over the fence.

"Get her moving again," Twitch told him.

Alec took Kiwi off around the track once more while she ran for the end of the arena were some spare jump wings and poles were stashed. The good ones were kept in the Temple, away from the elements, but the old ones were left closer for convenience. Twitch dragged one of the frozen poles over and laid it neatly on a diagonal across the centre of the school.

"When you're ready!" she yelled out.

Alec and Kiwi transitioned to canter, and they cornered the top of the school, came neatly away from the track and aimed for the centre of the pole. Kiwi's eyes levelled on it in an instant. Her head picked up, her ears pricked forward and her stride lengthened so she could place herself in the perfect spot for a take off.

She seemed almost disappointed when she realised it wasn't a fence, and then confused at the change of direction. When Alec asked for a canter lead change, she fumbled her legs and bucked in frustration.

Alec sat to her easily - though she could be a violent little thing in the field, her frustrated bucks were nothing like her territorial ones. He was laughing as he let her trot to help her fix her legs again. Twitch shook her head.

"I'm going to move it!" she called to them. "If I put it on the diagonal, right by the wall, it upsets her balance on the right lead and helps to push her onto the left. Ask as she's taking off."

Alec nodded without speaking, too focused on his task. The pole in place, they went in for attempt two. Kiwi's stride lengthened as she saw the pole again, but she appeared to realise they weren't show jumping, and didn't attempt to leap the moon this time. The sudden turn of hitting the track at the same time as going over the pole did tip her balance, though, and she struck out on her left lead.

But her hindlegs hadn't changed over with her front.

"Disunited!" Twitch called after them, watching Kiwi do a strange gambolling movement, her eyes wide with confusion over what had happened to her own legs. But Alec had realised, and was gently coaxing her through it.

Finally, with another frustrated buck, she fixed her legs - but she switched the front ones back, so they were on the wrong lead again.

"Take three," Alec said, smiling unfailingly as he went in again. Alec loved schooling, so this kind of thing was his idea of a good day (unlike Becca, who'd rather be hacking).

Kiwi went disunited again, but by placing her on a wide circle, she was convinced to fix her legs and canter away on the left lead. Alec patted her heartily and Twitch smiled at the pair from the middle of the school.

"Her back end is always behind," Alec said, slowing to a trot and putting her on the circle again so he could talk to Twitch.

"Chess is better with the problem solving than me," she said. "But Selly had some of this issue when we were first schooling him. If I follow up with the lunge whip again and put pressure from behind, just as she takes off, that might help kick her into gear."

"Go for it," Alec nodded.

Attempt four was underway, and the noises of the barn being opened for the day washed over to them. It was time to finish up.

Kiwi cantered cleanly for the pole. Even if her changes needed work, this mare never missed a stride. Twitch waited for the take off and lifted the whip into play, putting sudden pressure into the zone behind the little mare. Kiwi's ears flicked back to show acknowledgement, and she was already changing with her forelegs for the sharp turn. But the incentive had worked, and with only a slight stumble, she cantered away on the left lead.

There was plenty more to do - she had to perfect the change without the pole or stick, and be able to do it from left to right, too, but for a first session, it was a very good start.

...

"Over, over, over, over," Alec was muttering continuously to himself.

Kiwi couldn't understand, but was obeying the rhythmic pressure from his right leg and performing a wobbly but consistent leg yield over to the track. Across the school, Chess was sitting on Selly bareback, her reins light in her hands. The warmblood wasn't paying them the least bit of attention and had been doing pirouettes and fancy trotwork for the last twenty minutes. Aphie was still taking time after having her foal, and Mossy was still playing Mom to Poe, and Alec suspected Chess missed her two favourite mares. Selly was the only other one she really rode bareback - especially since anyone who got on Karma or Tessa bareback was asking for a trip to the emergency room.

It was nice to have the company whilst riding, and Selly was such a sweet horse that even with a mare a few yards away, he was happy to listen to his rider.

Kiwi wasn't all that distracted by him either, which was nice. The fact that she didn't have to compete with him for grazing outside of the school probably helped.

They hit the track and Alec asked for a canter. With a snort, the Kaimanawa leapt into it, only taking a stride to move back into the bridle and lower her head once more. They'd done some lateral work, and yesterday they'd been hacking around the boundary of the farm. The day before that, Alec had stuck to some of the basics again, and worked with trotting poles for pacing purposes, but Kiwi and striding was one thing she didn't need help with. She saw a take off a mile away and could put herself at it every time.

With that thought in his head, Alec finished up the session with some more leg yield and some work on accurate serpentines. The aim was to be capable of novice or possibly elementary dressage by New Year. He led Kiwi back to the circle, untacked and rubbed her down - though she still wasn't getting too warm, so had yet to need clipping. He checked that the trailer by the tree had water and hay inside and left the mare to graze until it was time to muck out and ran with the armful of tack back to the barn.

The feeds had been collected in and Austin was washing out the buckets one by one with the hose in the stable yard. He waved a hi as Alec dropped his things off in the tack room and then slipped into the Den.

Becca was, thankfully, in there. Kismet was sitting in the keyboard, and a huge line of 'dddddddddddddddddsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddsssssssss' was on repeat on their feedlist word document. Becca was muttering to herself as she scrawled in the diary.

"Becks," Alec broached carefully.

The brunette looked up. "Hey, Alec. How's the wild one?"

He smirked. "Fine. Got something I want to run by you."

"Yes," she said promptly. "I think you'd be right at home in the circus; we'll hate to see you go but you have our full support."

There was a snort of laughter by the door, and they both looked up to see Twitch. She bit her lip, snatched a brush from the table against the wall and jabbed a thumb over her shoulder. "I'll just...go."

She left, laughter following her out, and Alec gave Becca a dry expression.

She smiled innocently. "What's up?"

"Do you think Kiwi's ready to start jumping?"

The playfulness fell from the room through the floor, and Becca adopted the serious expression she wore when visitors came that was the only thing that could convince someone she could be trusted with their horses. "You ride a lot without us watching, so I'd like to see you ride tomorrow and do some basic exercises, but from what I've seen and what I know, I think she'd really enjoy jumping and appreciate the challenge of it. Something tells me she'll really excell with technical courses, too, if you and Twitch are right about her knack for spotting a stride."

"Watch tomorrow, then," Alec nodded, standing.

"Hey, Alec?" Becca added. "She's yours; you don't need my permission or approval, you know."

He smiled genuinely and shrugged. "I know."



That was fun to write. I didn't know until...about now ish, that Kiwi's secret talent would be for striding That just happened, but I think it fits her.

As for the picture - there's bits I like and bits I don't. I've done better manes and tails before - and I've had to fix Alec's proportions a fair bit. The trees are bad and the hooves too big - but I like most of the rest. I think I'm getting the hang of drawing Kiwi's headshape (finally) and I love how the saddle came out.

Backstory: the pole exercise to prompt lead change is something I've done on a horse at my local stables. Dixie is a little superstar, and so honest and it took her two goes before she got it bang on every time. Teco was another pony - very cheeky - and he went disunited every time and no matter what you did, he just went right back on the wrong lead XD. And the habit of bucking out of frustration I got from this guy -> [link] Blue. I nearly bought him, and he had this habit where whenever you asked for a flying change, he'd get utterly confused about where his feet went, so he'd just buck as if that covered up that he didn't know what to do. It was so sweet and funny that you couldn't help laughing (though a lot of people who thought he was nuts assumed he was doing it maliciously).

Think that's it again

This has taken a number of hours. Done here and there over the last few days.
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Comments: 30

walktrotcanter7 [2012-12-02 05:50:28 +0000 UTC]

It is SO FUNNY that you should write about this! As of yesterday, I was teaching flying changes. It wasn't nearly as easy as lay a pole down though. It involved cantering down the diagonal on the right lead (coming out of a circle), keeping the horse bent to the right to open his left shoulder while using a 3-count to throw my outside hip and leg waaaay back while leading him to the left. It took the horse 3 runs to catch on. But once he did, it was GREAT!!!

I love your writing style. SO descriptive! And I love how your understanding and experience with riding has influenced your writing to express the cues so well. Wonderful job!

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to walktrotcanter7 [2012-12-02 08:52:34 +0000 UTC]

Flying changes are hilarious fun to teach, and I wanted to write about this, because I'd been doing it recently (the pole way) too, and I find its always nice if you can elaborate and take from experience

I've heard of the diagonal method you used but a lot of the horses I ride would go to pieces because they don't understand proper bend and flexion (it was either nutters at college, or typical ponies at a riding school ) I don't think any of them can do a half pass, and many struggle with a leg yield . A while back when we tried the pole exercise for the first time, my instructor was saying a pole is a bit of a cheat, because it makes them really take off for the stride, so changing their legs is easier. With the mare I first did it with - Dixie - we got it really fast because she's a natural with leads when jumping, so the pole didn't phase her and she was looking to take the left lead after it anyway. It is an awesome feeling, though, when you work at something over and over and finally get something epic for it

And thank you so much; I never know if it'll work when I talk about riding technically. There's some (like you) who enjoy that because you know the aids so you can follow it. There's others who lose the plot with technical talk and end up wishing I'd just said 'he kicked and the horse stumbled and cantered off again' (which, to me, sucks). As I said at the start, I like to write from experience because you can usually make it so much more detailed and accurate, so I'm really glad you liked this story and thought it read okay ^^

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ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-01 15:33:24 +0000 UTC]

'"Disunited!" Twitch called after them, watching Kiwi do a strange gambolling movement, her eyes wide with confusion over what had happened to her own legs.' It's so funny to watch when a horse does that! There was one at my old yard who used to do this funny little hop at EVERY corner in trot - no idea why.

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-01 15:39:12 +0000 UTC]

That sounds adorable (and hilarious)! There were a few green horses at college who got into muddles with the basics. An ex racer named Danny was fine with most of it, but having only raced on a left lead, he did this bug-eyed expression when we first tried teaching him about right leads and it was the funniest movement he settled into

I'm really glad that you can see rl similarities in my stories, though! And its great to see which bits you pick out ^^

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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-01 20:49:47 +0000 UTC]

He was a right pain in the arse to ride though - he didn't know the meaning of straight lines. XD

lol, ex-racers are always funny to watch - I rode with one on a hack and he got so freaked out by a rider putting their whole weight on his back that he had to be ridden in the forward seat at anything faster than a walk!

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-01 20:57:46 +0000 UTC]

Most of the horses that make my favourite list can't work out straightness, either I like the scatty type who're more prone to sideways movement, though XD

Haha, I've never heard of that before, but now you mention it, it makes a lot of sense (I really hate the racing industry and what it does to horses). They do make for some entertainment in reschooling, though ^^

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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-01 21:20:22 +0000 UTC]

They can't be as bad as the pony we rode with on the beach - he literally trotted sidewise the entire ride. XD (sorry to keep spamming you with videos but I haven't watched these myself in a loooong time, lol)
[link] (he's doing his thing nearly straight away - I'm on the wee tiny grey pony who keeps getting left behind, lol)

Yeah, I don't mind it when some of the older horses race because they've the age and experience to do it but I can't stand seeing youngsters racing - granted, Cruz was backed at two (nearly three) but she was in really light work and wasn't being expected to gallop and jump. :/

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-07 13:38:52 +0000 UTC]

Haha, he's epic!! But Sai (my beloved chestnut Arabian) could give him a run for his money We tried trotting poles one day, but he literally did a turn on the forehand and side passed the whole line of them, twisted straight again at the end and trotted away, leg yielding himself out to the wall. We were all in hysterics. (as for the getting left behind, I used to loan a tinker gelding and I went out hacking with some other girls on their warmbloods - we got left way back during a gallop across the field XD).

Nah, even older racehorses I don't like to see. Its not just the young age - its the way of life they're subjected to. One story I know of is a racehorse stallion worth millions was retired early (because his owner didn't want to risk injuring him by keeping him running) but he was worth so much, that he wasn't allowed to be turned out, put on a horse walker, exercised or interact with other horses - all in case of injury. I was given this 'case scenario' in college, and I got really ticked off in the middle of my lesson - my teacher was trying to talk me down XD. But that's just one aspect; there's so much behind the scenes that has nothing to do with the training and racing itself that Ijust don't approve of.

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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-10 08:00:42 +0000 UTC]

loooooooool! That must have been annoying! XD

Yeah, I don't really like racing at all, I just feel that at least the older ones stand a better chance of not breaking down all the time.
I hate the way expensive horses (especially stallions!) aren't allowed to actually BE horses in case it messes up their value. I'm a big fan of keeping stallions and geldings turned out together - in the wild they form batchelor herds so its a really alien concept to keep them by themselves because they are super speshul amazingly dangerous stallions that'll kill you as soon as look at you! Half the time 'stallionish' behaviour is simply down to boredom and the lack of experience with other horses. I read an article once about breeding stallions and they'd found that a really high percentage of them self harmed in their stables because they had nothing else to do between coverings.

Sorry, I went off on a bit of a tangent there!

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-21 22:29:55 +0000 UTC]

Aha! Only eleven days late -dies- Sorry for the ages I keep taking

Hehe, Sai rarely annoyed me (though he certainly did tick other people off. I think Arabian antics are a very much acquired taste. That or its like marmite - love 'em or hate 'em XD).

Unfortunately, with racing, you have to start training early because the bones have to undergo 'loading', and that's much easier from a younger age, when the bones are still developing and fusing. It just means that problems are far more likely, too

And that stuff about stallions is true. People are taught to be wary of stallions because of their behaviour, but half of the time, they're as bad as they are because we're handling them differently. Its a stupid circle, and because the racing world don't care what a horse is like in the box, as long as it runs straight, it's not one that's going to be broken any time soon.

And lol, tangents are fine; I just find I try not to really get into it with topics like this, where I have strong opinions, because I feel a bit like a bulldozer in how I write my outlook on it. Racing and the Twilight saga are my worst ones

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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-21 22:39:47 +0000 UTC]

Pah, eleven days is nothing! XD

I've never had the pleasure of riding one I'm afraid!

Yeah, it's so stupid really. Everything's all about the money and the speed and they forget that at the core of it are these very young animals. I'm not saying all racing people are bad, the majority of the trainers and yard people are probably lovely and genuinely care about their animals but the pressure of it all is just so sickening.

Part of me adheres to the thing that if you aren't going to breed from it, geld it! but at the same time, we leave mares entire and there's no real problem there! Granted, some stallions don't know which part of their bodies to think with but surely it can't be that difficult to train them to not go into stud mode all the time? XD

Oh god don't get me STARTED on twilight! My friends bought me the first film on dvd as a spoof present for my birthday this year and I was none too chuffed!

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-21 22:58:20 +0000 UTC]

Haha, good to know XD

Never? Yikes Sai's the one horse I'll never forget riding; really sweet action in his trot and a canter like a rocking horse, with these little skips when he changed leads or kicked it up a notch and he carried himself without leaning on your hand at all, too . All I can do is recommend you go for it if you ever get the chance. (and now I need to stop talking about him, coz it makes me miss him )

Exactly that.

And I've seen a wonderful video of a french horseman (I don't usually like the term 'whisperer', but I guess that's what you'd call him) who handled an excited stallion with his pinky finger on a slack lead rope, while a mare stood nearby. That stallion had such respect for that man, his space and direction. People just need to handle the horse in a way that they can understand and appreciate. They use body language, first and foremost, to communicate, so they might learn to fear a whip or loud voice, but they'll never learn to respect it in the same way as a strong signal or vocal tone.

(on a slight tangent; have you heard of the horseman Jean Francois Pignon? I love to watch his displays because he's all about the body language, and its clear his horses all want to do their best for him).

Haha! I watched the first film and thought it was average, then I read all four books in three weeks. It was only when I started reading them again that it hit me very hard and belatedly that they're absolute rubbish. And Edward Cullen needs several restraining orders and a prison sentence. Though Bella getting pregnant did annoy me no end the first time around - maybe because I don't want kids or to get married and I really resent the idea that being a mom and wife is all a girl should want from life. My big problem with it is how many teen girls will read it and then get into an abusive relationship because they're under the impression that they're in a perfect/romantic one

...As you can see...you really shouldn't get me started, either . There's a fantastic essay someone did which literally tears the book to pieces, using arguments from the fans and author to fuel it, which I totally love and is linked on my profile XD.

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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-24 01:20:47 +0000 UTC]

Our yard mainly had cobs and partbreds, I think the only purebreds they had were a couple of IDs, Highlands and Welshies! lol I'm probably way too heavy to ride one at the moment anyway so it's probably for the best, lol.

'And I've seen a wonderful video of a french horseman (I don't usually like the term 'whisperer', but I guess that's what you'd call him) who handled an excited stallion with his pinky finger on a slack lead rope, while a mare stood nearby. That stallion had such respect for that man, his space and direction. People just need to handle the horse in a way that they can understand and appreciate. They use body language, first and foremost, to communicate, so they might learn to fear a whip or loud voice, but they'll never learn to respect it in the same way as a strong signal or vocal tone. '

^ That. *nods*

Yes! I've seen his stuff before and watched his display from Olympia tonight on tv. I can never make up my mind how I feel about him though, he obviously knows what he's doing and treats the horses well but they always seem to have their ears pinned and I can't work out whether that's just from being pressed up to all the other horses or something else. The youngsters he had in the show tonight were amazing - to have that much trust in him at that age is remarkable!

I'm afraid to say that I've read all the books too. >.< Not because I liked them or particularly wanted to, I was bored and hoped they'd improve only to find that they just got worse and worse! On the plus side, having read them does come in handy when confronting the twihards as you can quote the source material in your argument for how utterly shit they all are. XD I really do feel sorry for Robert Pattinson though; he loathes Twilight as much as we do and will forever have the black mark of sparkly vampires on his acting record.

'And Edward Cullen needs several restraining orders and a prison sentence. Though Bella getting pregnant did annoy me no end the first time around - maybe because I don't want kids or to get married and I really resent the idea that being a mom and wife is all a girl should want from life. My big problem with it is how many teen girls will read it and then get into an abusive relationship because they're under the impression that they're in a perfect/romantic one '

^ Everything you just said sums up my feelings on the matter too! It's so enfuriating!

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2012-12-24 01:44:31 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, my riding stables is packed with mongrels XD. Peggy is a lovely, heavier horse I've been working with the last few months, and I'm sure she's got tinker in her, but she's not pure. College had a fair few warmbloods and a few sport horses, plus a handful of horses listed as 'cob cross', but there were only a couple of purebreds which included two off the track TB racers, a few welshies, Sai, the only Arabian, an Anglo Arabian and an Ardenne. Most places don't have many purebreds, I don't think - that seems to be more of an American thing.

And that's kind of cool to know you agree with my thoughts on 'whispering'. There's a lot of controversy around it, and you never quite know how someone will react to your thoughts

As for Pignon - I've now seen him live twice, and watched performances on TV/youtube. I've never really noticed his horses with pinned ears. In a few cases, I think they rotate them to the sides in a sign of relaxation, but what I have noticed is that they will fold their ears back. Horses can often look like they're pinning their ears, but rather than being fear or aggression, its simply blocking sound from getting down to the eardrum. Having been at Olympia, I know the crowd is generally hushed, but they can clap loudly suddenly, and the music really pounds out, so that could explain it.

But, of course, there could be actual pinning of the ears because horses - though they all respect Pignon - will always be vyying for positions in their own heirarchy, and that's just more body language. That's the way I see it, anyway. I've seen live and televised displays from Monty Roberts, Kelly Marks, Pat and Linda Parelli and there's bits of them that I take with me, and bits that I dislike. Same with Pignon, but there's notably less I dislike about his performances (that said, I've never watched one of his clinics, so maybe that could change my mind). The foals in his newest display were definitely fantastic to watch, though the star of that show will always be the little Shetland

On Twilight...I read it at the time because I love vampire mythology and figured it would be another interesting take on them. But as you said - I'm glad I have now, just because its nice to watch diehard fans faces when you argue against them, using the book to back up its own flaws. One of the very common arguments is 'how would you know it's bad - you haven't even read it!' I just love to smile innocently and say 'actually...I kinda have.'

I've never been a fan of Rob's. I was kind of 'meh' when he was cast as Cedric Diggory, but I kept sniggering in the cinema when I watched him as Edward, and nothing about his acting career has sold me on his ability (I'm not huge on Taylor Lautner, either, but I do prefer him, if only because he's making a name away from the series). I also heard murmurs that Rob and Kristen both only publicly said they disliked the series and were only in it for the money after the war broke out over it and it started getting torn down. But I don't know them, so I'm not going to assume either way, though.

And you too, huh? The whole perception of relationships, boundaries, right/wrong and roles is just so awful to me. Infuriating is definitely the word

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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-27 13:51:35 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, never mind that run of the mill, common or garden cobs are considered 'purebreds' over there too. XD

I don't like it when people only go by one 'method' or way of thinking - half of horsemanship in general is just common sense, reading the horse's body language and treating each animal as an individual - what works with one won't always work on others. I can't stand Parelli simply because of the way it's marketed in that in order to ride up the ranks of your 'partnership' with your horse you need to fork out an inordinate amount of money for courses and gadgets. The most equipment you should need is a rope and halter when all's said and done. :/

'But, of course, there could be actual pinning of the ears because horses - though they all respect Pignon - will always be vyying for positions in their own heirarchy, and that's just more body language.'

Yeah, that's how I saw it too but it's kinda a shame that they can't have them forward a bit more, lol I loved that one foal who kept bombing off round the arena bucking his legs off; right little firecracker he was. XD

' I'm glad I have now, just because its nice to watch diehard fans faces when you argue against them, using the book to back up its own flaws. One of the very common arguments is 'how would you know it's bad - you haven't even read it!' I just love to smile innocently and say 'actually...I kinda have.' '

Same! XD The best way to win those kind of arguments is to throw their own stuff right back at them. They can't argue with the source material!

I haven't really seen him in anything other than HP and Twilight either but the few times I've seen him in interviews and things he seems like a nice guy who's now trapped in the shadow of one of the worst characters ever committed to paper.

I saw somewhere (probably tumblr, lol) a thing which showed that the book perpetuates pretty much every instance of a controlling abusive relationship possible. He controls her entire life to the point that she's actually WANTING to die so she can be with him forever. How is that in any way healthy?! *explodes with rage*

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to ElreniaGreenleaf [2013-01-30 22:57:27 +0000 UTC]

Aha!! Finally responding to this text wall!

I'm pretty against using a single method when working with horses, too. I used to like a lot of Monty Roberts' ethics, but I haven't studied him for a few years. I did a study on Parelli for my uni course, and worked at a stable which runs a pony share business entirely with Parelli's teachings. When I started, I liked a lot of the ideas behind it and was really keen to get stuck in, but the more I worked there, and the more research I did for my project, the less I agreed with it.

I've got to the point where I appreciate his teachings, but take them all with a pinch of salt, and I'm not really keen on the man himself. I saw an awful video during which this supposedly 'natural' horseman, threw his own philosophies out the window during a display and got into an argument with a famous horse called Catwalk - you can find it on youtube easy enough. And I've seen several of his own videos where he says things that just make me go "What? That's idiotic!". The idea of levels and ropes is just one aspect - but I don't like that either. For Gods' sake - what's wrong with using a lunge line and a schooling stick? and all this 'you shouldn't ride with a bit until you have control without' - for a lot of people, they ride traditionally, but like to practice the games for fun alongside.

As for Pignon - haha, the little rebel foal was a lot of fun Gotta love 'em

And lol; yes! Fighting Twi-hards with the books themselves is the best! Watching their expressions just makes my day

XD, I guess he is trapped in the shadow a bit, but I just don't think he's good looking at all - I think he looks kind of awkward on screen, so I don't like watching him act now anyway. I have seen him in a movie called 'Remember Me' which I watched because of the plot and his co-star, Emilie De Ravin, and he wasn't awful, but still kind of...*off*. And I wanted to see Water for Elephants for the horses, but A combination of the circus setting and Rob in another romantic lead role put me off

And it does (did you by chance check out the essay I linked to on my profile about Twilight? It takes pretty much every argument you could think of with the series, and uses brilliant logic, science and reasoning to tear it up) I love it, but there are plenty of other good articles on it. You're right - practically all the major signs of abuse are in the books, like Meyer had been ticking off a checklist as she wrote

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ElreniaGreenleaf In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2013-02-12 00:31:03 +0000 UTC]

And now I'm finally replying to this one! lol

It's definitely not for everyone - no matter how good a method is, there's always going to be one horse that doesn't respond well to it and you'll need to compromise which is why I'd never settle on just one 'way'.

I tend not to watch much in the way of demos and the like but yeah, I've seen enough to be a bit :/ about him.

' The idea of levels and ropes is just one aspect - but I don't like that either. For Gods' sake - what's wrong with using a lunge line and a schooling stick? and all this 'you shouldn't ride with a bit until you have control without' - for a lot of people, they ride traditionally, but like to practice the games for fun alongside.'

Exactly!

Yeah, I read it all ages ago - so, bloody, true. >.<

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Madalyion [2012-12-01 10:19:49 +0000 UTC]

Yay, finally! Kiwi will be a great show jumping horse

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to Madalyion [2012-12-01 11:53:34 +0000 UTC]



She's looking at more of an all rounder career since I want her to get a nice foundation and more experience, but she will be doing some jumping for sure ^^ (I also want to point out, that just because a horse can see a stride doesn't always mean they enjoy the fence part).

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Madalyion In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-04 17:02:17 +0000 UTC]

That's right, not every horse enjoys jumping. You just have to try it and see if Kiwi likes it

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to Madalyion [2012-12-04 17:19:39 +0000 UTC]

She had fun free jumping, so we'll keep our fingers crossed XD

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Madalyion In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-12-04 17:30:55 +0000 UTC]

Me too

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shannor [2012-12-01 03:34:08 +0000 UTC]

OMG! So cute! It looks like she's really going to take to this jumping thing. I think Kiwi and Koha will be up against each other in the jumping later, if I can finish my training pictures

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to shannor [2012-12-01 11:47:42 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

She's a natural with strides, but that doesn't always mean jumping's the way forward. I've worked with a few horses who knew instinctively where to put their feet, but really didn't like fences. That said, Kiwi does enjoy jumping. I just don't think we'll go the show jumping route. She's looking at a bit of an all rounder career to give her as much experience and foundation as possible ^^

Still, odds are they'll compete together at some point soon (Kiwi's going into the cross country class in this event: [link] ). Good luck with your training pics! I'll keep an eye out for them

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Zephyrra [2012-11-30 23:28:44 +0000 UTC]

This is SO CUTE. I am definitely obsessed with this horse, there's no doubt about it.

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to Zephyrra [2012-11-30 23:45:43 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!!

She is kinda fun to obsess over, lol. I'm dreading opening her up for my typical 5 breeding slots when the challenge is over - I think I may get ploughed down

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Zephyrra In reply to Tattered-Dreams [2012-11-30 23:46:12 +0000 UTC]

You probably will.

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Tattered-Dreams In reply to Zephyrra [2012-11-30 23:48:36 +0000 UTC]

I'll hide in a bomb shelter while the notices go out, I think XD

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