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Description Seems like this one's been making the rounds lately. To be totally honest, I have too many influences to put them all in here! I had to do some SERIOUS paring down, and even then I had to change the size of at least one of the blocks to fit in as much as I'd wanted to. TINY MEMES! As a result, I'm missing that one gigantic block, but I kind of think a lot of people have been leaving that one out. Just takes up too much space. So here's my INSANELY busy one, and the text breakdown!

1. KINUKO CRAFT [link] - This was originally going to be my giant block, because she's my favorite contemporary artist and a HUGE influence on me from a very early age. Ah well, I did use her art again later on, so she has the same amount of grid space she would have anyway.

2. Celtic culture- I realize "Celtic" is an overarching, occasionally inaccurate, and problematic term, but since I have equal appreciation for the history/culture/music/aesthetic of most of those countries occupied by the Celts way back in the day, I think it's most fitting.

3. James Jean's covers for the Fables comic series- Jean's covers were one of the first times I actually saw how illustration and comics can cross over and that they don't have to be mutually exclusive. I also love how he does his people- tall, lanky, long-limbed, and generally lovely.

4. Victorian Neoclassical painting- I used Bouguereau for the example picture, but really, this is a broad thing. I pretty much like most the art of the whole Victorian time-period, but I just love the marriage of the Victorian softness with the classical motifs that characterized this type of art.

5. Junji Ito- Too few people have heard of this man. If you're looking for artwork that successfully blends the beautiful and impossibly grotesque and morbid and somehow sells you on BOTH, check out his "Uzumaki". I had a brief period during high school (as I suspect many of us did) when I did anime-style artwork; this is the only artist I discovered during that time who continues to influence me. His ink work is astounding.

6. Young adult fantasy books- And their covers! I grew up on all those great series of fantasy books by Lloyd Alexander, Madeleine L'Engle, Tamora Pierce, Philip Pullman, Garth Nix, and Meredith Ann Pierce. A lot of what I enjoy now is due to reading so much. Tamora Pierce's Lioness Quartet instilled me with a special appreciation for lady warriors with red hair and violet eyes. Which certainly doesn't sound like anyone we know. Not at all.

7. Disney- If I said I didn't not only love but constantly get inspired by Disney movies, I'd be lying like a rug. Because Disney is awesome. When I was a kid, it seemed like each successive movie that came out became my new favorite. Then I stopped caring; now, as an adult, I love them all again because not only do they have the nostalgia factor, but the artistry and music are great.

8. Historical fashion and the 18th century- Historical fashion from a TON of different time periods, really, but I have a special soft spot for Georgian fashion. There's a reason most "civilized" areas in Astral Arcana have a kind of 1700s look!

9. Romance and courtly love- Now, I'm no champion of "traditional" gender roles, but I have a serious love for the whole "classic" lady/gentleman dynamic, which goes both ways for me- it still works even if the man is being the lady, and the lady is being the... gentleman. If you can remove all the chauvinistic aspects to what's considered traditional chivalry, that's what I like. And also, this picture is more Kinuko! This is an illustration from her Cinderella, which I own and look at all the time (because I'm a sad woman-child who still loves kids' books ).

10. Religious art- One of the "weirder" ones, since most people who know me know that I'm in no way religious. But I do have a certain appreciation for the austerity and obvious devotion that goes into the creation of icons, altarpieces, religious paintings, and whatnot. Plus, halos, wings and flowing robes. Those are good things all.

11. Fantasy movies- Look guys! It's the ballroom scene from Labyrinth! I think that should explain it all.

12. Tabletop gaming- Most of my characters come from here. If it weren't for my and ~Arthulin 's marathon gaming sessions, my characters' stories wouldn't be a fraction as interesting.

13. Jody A. Lee [link] - Remember I said the thing about the books I read? Jody Lee's covers were the first experience I had actually recognizing a certain artist's work and looking for it on other covers. (Kinuko was my second experience of this type.) Jody Lee did the covers for a print run of Lloyd Alexander's Chronicles of Prydain, and I absolutely fell in love with the way she depicted Taran and Eilonwy and the rest.

14. Traditional and folk music- Yeaaaaah buddy. I love rocking out to metal and getting my epic on with soundtracks (Hans Zimmer ftw, =Dwenda ), but at the end of the day nothing inspires me quite like fiddle-sawing and banjo-twanging and accordion-squeezing and bagpipe-honking. FOR I AM TOTALLY COOL. (That being said, I also feel this way about traditional music from all over the world, which might be somewhat more cool. ...Nah. Not really. )

15. Costume dramas- Of the historical variety, naturally. I used "Marie Antoinette" for the picture here, but I own a ton of movies like this. I don't care that there aren't explosions or action or much beyond catty political intrigue! Pop one in the computer and I'll be set to draw for ages.

16. The Pre-Raphaelites- I used Rossetti for the picture, but I have a lot of love for all them crazy Victorian Brits (especially Burne-Jones) and the artists who came after them working in the same pool of influence (especially Waterhouse).

In retrospect, I look at this and find that there sure are a lot of ladies in flouncy dresses. If I'd chosen different crops or different images indicating the same subject, there might very well have been a lot more wings. I kind of wish I'd had space to put angel-something in there. Because wingypeople are the best thing.

None of these images are mine. Original meme by `fox-orian .
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Comments: 61

aryiana [2010-09-02 16:05:56 +0000 UTC]

This is really interesting to look at, i can definitely see some of your influences in your art....

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temiel In reply to aryiana [2010-09-02 16:52:55 +0000 UTC]

Oh, good! I'm glad it's at all interesting, mostly it was just for my own edification. Some of the influences are far more visible than others. I was actually kind of surprised how many painters there are in mine, considering what a line person I am.

I was just thinking about you last night, seems like I haven't seen you around lately (though of course, my view of "lately" is pretty skewed. ). Hope you're well!

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aryiana In reply to temiel [2010-09-05 12:46:02 +0000 UTC]

i often find these things interesting, but i also do them for myself alot, i think it helps to remind yourself of these things.

i keep trying to think of who i would put on mine but i have no idea where i would even start..... i think sometimes our influences are people who inspire us to want to create, not necessarily in their style (although it often is) but simply to create.

Aw, lol you noticed i have not been around i'm fine, tired and a little ill, but fine, just had loads on, went to see family then went camping with friends...now recovering
Thanks my dear

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temiel In reply to aryiana [2010-09-07 05:05:30 +0000 UTC]

Oh, definitely. The instructions for this meme actually talk about how you should put anything in there that inspires you to make stuff... I just can't fit it all! When I was in my last year of school, each student had to give a talk to the class about their influences and how they relate to our own work, and it was actually really helpful because it forced me to decide what actually HAD influenced me most.

And yeah, of course I noticed, I love reading your comments. I'm glad you're fine, but I hope you're feeling less ill soon. Camping really tends to take it out of one, especially if it's a social thing.

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aryiana In reply to temiel [2010-09-07 18:17:57 +0000 UTC]

seriously though, how did you start to pull together a list of your inspirations??

It's something i would be interested in looking at myself, i would imagine that being forced to look at your inspirations and things would actually work to inspire more, and inspiration is something i have always lacked.

glad you like the comments, it means alot.
It's odd my hubby and i went to Cornwall at the beginning of the month for an anniversary and we came back totally relaxed but then when we went away this time it was completly the opposite....needed another holiday!!

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temiel In reply to aryiana [2010-09-07 18:41:59 +0000 UTC]

Well... I think I started by thinking back to when I first started wanting to do art. When I was a kid, I read a lot of fairy tales illustrated by Susan Jeffers [link] and it really inspired me, and I distinctly remember wanting to grow up and be an illustrator so I could do work like that. I guess the whole process of figuring out my influences came with combing my memories for things that really stood out, like when I first started recognizing and seeking out the work of artists that I liked (like Jody Lee and Kinuko Craft); the other half of it comes from a familiarity with my own process, which I guess only comes with practice. I just thought about the music I listen to, particularly the stuff that fuels the mental imagery; the books I read and find myself wanting to draw from; the movies I watch while I'm working and keep looking at a lot to absorb the images. At least, that's how I figured out what inspires me and influences me most.

The second step (and I guess, the "more advanced" one, if you're not planning on being a career artist who actually thinks about this stuff for a living ) is figuring out what your own work is trying to say. It's possible that you, the artist, aren't consciously trying to get across any message in particular beyond "I wanted to illustrate these characters doing something", but even if you don't really HAVE a message, there are still themes that keep popping up. Poses, shapes, patterns. For me, the primary thing that I noticed when I had to do this for school is that I focus a lot on interaction and interpersonal dynamics between figures: the body language, the facial expression, the emotion. I'm not generally interested in using metaphors or symbolism, I like to use real gestures that you actually see in real life. My teachers liked to criticize me for my work being very "literal", but when it comes down to it, I just don't need my artwork to represent anything other than "this figure interacting with that figure", because my purpose in making the art that I do is to express an emotion as it comes across through the instrument of a character.

MAN, this got stupid and wordy really quickly, but it's hard to talk about this kind of thing without gassing on and on for centuries. I hope it made any sort of sense at all or gave you some insight into the process of figuring out what your influences are, because it actually IS helpful once you examine yourself and figure out where exactly it IS that you're coming from. That way, when you're sort of feeling adrift, you can think about what's inspired you before, and you can re-examine: has anything changed? Is there anything new? What about those things do you find most interesting?

AAAA THERE WE GO WITH THE TEXT AGAIN.

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aryiana In reply to temiel [2010-09-09 15:08:07 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for this, it is really interesting (and inspiring)

It must be nice to be able to think back and have such a strong memory of wanting to pursue a career in art. I think I wanted to be everything else, a career in art never occurred to me until I was older. (Astronaut and Vet seemed very appealing though!!)

It’s good to know you included music, movies and books and things in your influences, or your search for them anyway, I have always thought that the creative arts mix and merge more than most realise. I always admired Kandinsky for his thoughts on synesthesia…..fascinating if you are ever bored.

I want to thank you for this, mostly because I have not really thought about the message I want my art to say, and when I realise that I cannot believe I have not looked further into this before. It seems like it is something I should know but most of the time I just do things because I want to or I feel like doing it at the time, I don’t think about a message, even though I end up with one most of the time.
So this is a task I am setting for myself, to discover my inner message and themes that occur more and more in my work, so thank you.

Honestly that is something I have always liked about your artwork. Too many people think you have to be abstract and metaphorical about everything when it comes to creative things, but you really don’t. I honestly do not see anything wrong with being literal, I think in fact that it is a good quality to possess.

Personally most of the time when people look at my work it is abstract and so random that it does not really posses any literal ideas. That’s paintings or digital designs anyway, when I work with fabrics and other 3d stuff things are usually a lot easier do decipher, but then I think that is the way with these things.
I am only really starting to explore art and things in the past year, before that it was always just something I did in my spare time that I enjoyed. Now I am actually trying to improve on and continually work with my creative side, so I think this is really going to help me.

I know what you mean about things getting wordy (I take a moment at this point to realise just how much I have written here!!a good way to illustrate the point!!)
It definitely made sense, and I have actually saved it so that I can read it again when I undoubtedly get stuck searching for the meaning behind my art (I hate calling it that by the way β€˜art’)
I personally have found this extremely useful, and I will let you know what I come up with.

Anyway, this is really long now and my hubby will be home shortly so I shall leave it there. Cheers medear!!

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temiel In reply to aryiana [2010-09-12 18:53:00 +0000 UTC]

You're very welcome! In the interest of not writing another wall here, I'll just leave it with the sentiment that I'm glad it helped. Knowing where you're coming from as an artist is something that I think helps everyone with an interest in art, whether it's professional or casual; it's one of those things that comes with time, but it's worth thinking about, since I've found it tends to make things like creative blocks much easier to deal with.

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aryiana In reply to temiel [2010-09-13 14:12:24 +0000 UTC]

this could have ended up being a massive wall of writing......glad you put a stop to it, i would not have been able to.
Now that i know about something like this i can see why it would help so much....my challenge for the week is to organise my art space and then tackle my inspirations and messages....i'm rather excited!

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Dwenda [2010-08-23 11:22:24 +0000 UTC]

Your influence map is much prettier and populated than mine is XD but YEAAAH high five x 1000 for Hans Zimmer. And Junji Ito, aaah. I am in such a horror-drawing mood now after googling pictures he's done. If I didn't need to be buying school books I would totally order myself all the volumes of Uzumaki, just to have them with me (to horrify me) always.

Totally get where you're coming from with religious art, too. I may not have the faith, but I can appreciate how inspired the painters and sculptors were in making their works. Also, angel paintings typically have epic clouds and poses, and that's awesome.

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temiel In reply to Dwenda [2010-08-26 15:18:05 +0000 UTC]

Lol, yes. If there were more space, I'd have put more! I HAVE TOO MANY THINGS THAT INSPIRE ME, EEEEE.

And yes, definitely. Angel art = wings, clouds, epicness, and usually some awesome man-body too. Because I know that's what EVERYONE looks at religious art for: the man-body.

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janey-jane [2010-08-23 02:07:27 +0000 UTC]

Oh! Kinuko Craft!!!!! I remember I used to stare at her book covers for HOURS despairing that there was no way in a million years I would EVER be able to do anything like that (okay, so I still kind of do that).

Labyrinth =

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temiel In reply to janey-jane [2010-09-03 19:48:21 +0000 UTC]

Huhu, YES, I still do! I have all her children's books and her Drawings and Paintings artbook, and I totally do that. All the time. I love you Kinuko.

And YES INDEED. I'm finding myself wanting to watch it again. Even though I think the last time I watched it was barely a couple months ago. YOU CAN NEVER WATCH IT TOO OFTEN!

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PhantasmMarquesses [2010-08-22 20:04:18 +0000 UTC]

Hey I have a pre-raphaelite on my list too! !
They are such beautiful artists, amazing talents!

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temiel In reply to PhantasmMarquesses [2010-08-22 20:44:03 +0000 UTC]

Mmmph, YESSSS!! I've been in love with that whole group since high school.

And now of course I totally have to ask- have you seen the BBC miniseries "Desperate Romantics"? I recommend it to, like, everyone, because it's awesome. (Also, I'm in love with the guy who plays Rossetti. ) But really, what's not to love about a period drama full of art and sex and Victorian-flavored hedonism that also happens to be really funny?

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PhantasmMarquesses In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 20:47:52 +0000 UTC]

I have not seen it! I will have to see if I can find it.

John William Waterhouse is my favorite of them all !

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temiel In reply to PhantasmMarquesses [2010-08-22 20:50:42 +0000 UTC]

MMM WATERHOUSE!! I absolutely love him. I have a great huge artbook of Victorian-era paintings, and there's a huge section on the PRB and the Aesthetic movement, which includes Waterhouse. I've also got separate books on Waterhouse and Burne-Jones both, they're my faves.

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PhantasmMarquesses In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 20:51:45 +0000 UTC]

I have three very large books on waterhouse back in Arizona
I love him, he is on my Influence map, he really has inspired me a lot.

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ceruleanvii [2010-08-22 19:35:36 +0000 UTC]

interesting, and fun to look at! I love religious art as well (no, really? )

hmm, maybe I'll try doing one of these!

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temiel In reply to ceruleanvii [2010-08-22 19:39:44 +0000 UTC]

What's not to love?! And you totally, totally should. I can't say it was particularly fun to put together because I got bored with all the copy-and-pasting, but I really do like looking at the end result.

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faerywitch [2010-08-22 18:09:03 +0000 UTC]

Great map!
I am impressed in seeing how many artists I like have included Mucha and Disney!

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temiel In reply to faerywitch [2010-08-22 18:10:55 +0000 UTC]

Mucha ALMOST made it on mine! And yes, those two influences seem really, really big. I'd be surprised if most you like don't also include the Pre-Raphaelites.

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faerywitch In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 21:03:21 +0000 UTC]

True, many pre-raphaelites too!

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WargusEstor [2010-08-22 12:40:25 +0000 UTC]

Ah the joys of folk-music, tabletop and all things fantasy

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temiel In reply to WargusEstor [2010-08-22 13:36:28 +0000 UTC]

YES INDEED. Abiding love.

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WargusEstor In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 13:39:22 +0000 UTC]

uhuh.. *sighs* I really hate it when I can't find any clips from those shows I used to watch when I was younger, let alone remeber all their titles - it sucks since I've just remembered bits and pieces about a cartoon I used to love by I can't remember it's name XD

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temiel In reply to WargusEstor [2010-08-22 14:29:01 +0000 UTC]

Oh man, I know this exact problem. D: I have a pretty okay memory of stuff I watched growing up, though... anything I can help with?

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WargusEstor In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 14:34:07 +0000 UTC]

Well... The particular show I'm thinking of was of very high quality for it's time.. I remember the intro featuring an hourglass - It was a fantasy show and I remember being scared yet fascinated at Death who rode this beautiful white horse..

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temiel In reply to WargusEstor [2010-08-22 15:00:02 +0000 UTC]

It just now occurred to me that you're in Denmark, not the US. No wonder that didn't sound familiar! But it does sound cool.

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WargusEstor In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 18:11:06 +0000 UTC]

It was a really cool show, though it wasn't danish

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TheCursemaster [2010-08-22 12:14:56 +0000 UTC]

Uuuuh, so many influences! *O* And they're all so cool *___*
Yay, Disney is awesomeeeee!

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temiel In reply to TheCursemaster [2010-08-22 13:38:25 +0000 UTC]

Indeed! There are still plenty more I couldn't fit on here. But yes! Disney is INDEED awesome.

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Larissa-Bright [2010-08-22 08:16:23 +0000 UTC]

TAMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORA PIERCE
The day I read ALL of the Lioness quartet in one day (the first time I'd read them) is a HAPPY DAY!
I love her so much and she was such an important part of me growing up

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temiel In reply to Larissa-Bright [2010-08-22 13:34:55 +0000 UTC]

Ah, yesssss!! OH ALANNA, how awesome you are. It's a shame I didn't like the Wild Magic series as much as the Lioness ones, and by the time she revisited Tortall with the Protector of the Small series I was a little too old to be interested. LIONESS 4EVA, yo.

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Larissa-Bright In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 16:53:56 +0000 UTC]

Maybe I'm slightly retarded but I was evidently not too old to be interested in Protector of the Small and then the Aly books, but then I am a big teenager with what I read anyway. I didn't like Wild Magic at all though. Much more interested in knights and court than animals.

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temiel In reply to Larissa-Bright [2010-08-22 18:02:37 +0000 UTC]

See, when they came out I was old enough to be conscious of the idea that I "shouldn't" be reading "kid's books". Now that I'm an adult, I might just do it for the hell of it and find out what I was missing at the time.

And YESSSS, the whole knights-and-court thing is MUCH cooler than the damn animals and sorcery. By the time I finished the whole series with Daine, I was REALLY missing the books when people just grabbed swords and hacked stuff up to solve their problems. And then bickered with royals.

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Larissa-Bright In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 20:09:56 +0000 UTC]

This may be the different between you and I. I have not read an adult book for a good two years

I also found Daine uninteresting as a character, too. There are no real interest there. Whereas with Alanna, you were really rooting for her. Also, Daine + Numair love story = yawn.

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temiel In reply to Larissa-Bright [2010-08-22 20:36:54 +0000 UTC]

I do have to admit I liked Numair on his own, though. FOXXXXYYYYY. But yes. Daine = booooring. Alanna (and later, Kel) actually had conflicts going on besides "Oh boo-hoo, I don't know how to control my magic!" And that makes the books SO much better. Tamora Pierce is best when she's NOT writing about mages!

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Larissa-Bright In reply to temiel [2010-08-23 11:43:03 +0000 UTC]

I liked Kel a lot. You see quite a lot of heroines like Alanna in fantasy fiction, but less that are the silent, sensible type like Kel. Kel perhaps makes less great fiction, but I liked that a different character type was represented.
Yeah, Tammy's a bit boring when writing about mages. I tend to tune out when magic gets described. I was not a fan of the circle of magic books for that reason.

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temiel In reply to Larissa-Bright [2010-08-23 13:24:22 +0000 UTC]

Guh, TELL me about it! I tried reading the CoM books, but Sandry turned me off in the first one, and I just couldn't get into Tris. -__- All the kids just seemed like bratty jerks to me at the time. Mages are such whiners.

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Larissa-Bright In reply to temiel [2010-08-24 09:13:59 +0000 UTC]

I liked Sandry (I've a soft spot for noblewomen - they always get ignored as main characters) - but I didn't like ANY of the other kids. The Will of the Empress (in which they're all teenagers) is MUCH better though, and actually rather fun.

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Serrifth [2010-08-22 06:10:04 +0000 UTC]

TOMIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I love Ito's Tomie series. >.< I have them on my desk right now actually.

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temiel In reply to Serrifth [2010-08-22 13:36:03 +0000 UTC]

Hrrrn, yesss! I have Uzumaki, Gyo, and the Museum of Terror mangas (which include the Tomie series and a whole mess of short-format stories). The beginning of Tomie I just found gross, but once it starts getting into the weirder stuff it's MUCH better.

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Igloinor [2010-08-22 04:18:32 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow, now I see what makes U so inspired!

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ImpChan [2010-08-22 02:04:37 +0000 UTC]

I think I actually have #9, but I could be wrong as mine is The Twelve Dancing Princesses. I can remember that affecting me in a profound way even as a child, right along with my beautifully illustrated copy of The Hobbit.

Also, I adore the Pre-Raphaelites. Crazy to the bone, but such beautiful art!

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temiel In reply to ImpChan [2010-08-22 02:15:40 +0000 UTC]

I have her Twelve Dancing Princesses too! And Cupid and Psyche, Pegasus, Sleeping Beauty, and King Midas. I have all her kids' books, because *KINUKO FANGIRL*.

Nobody's going to argue you on the crazy point... but yes. Beautiful art.

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LaughingAstarael [2010-08-22 00:25:49 +0000 UTC]

Okay, you know my feelings about Kinuko Craft, but ooh Jody Lee. I... I really love some of her covers. I really do. But I just finished a series where, out of six book covers, one was beautiful ([link] ), one wasn't by her, and the other four were in a deathmatch for the Utterly Terrible Cover Award:
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The last one is actually easily the best of those four, and her colors are excellent across the board, it just... it made me really sad to realize she was the same artist who did some really gorgeous things.

BUT YES ANYWAY. It's really awesome to see other artists' inspirations. I shall have to try one if I get the chance...

(ps, apropos of nothing but I'm thinking of it now: so, my entry is almost done, but it's in oil, it's wet, and I might not have access to a good camera before the 24th. would a low-quality photo submitted before the deadline, to be replaced with a higher-quality photo later, be alright?)

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temiel In reply to LaughingAstarael [2010-08-22 00:31:37 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I definitely find SOME of her stuff, especially the adult fantasy is really hit-or-miss. O_o However, the stuff she does for kids' and YA books tends to be really awesome. I love the ones she did for Madeleine L'Engle's Time Quartet, and I'm still looking for a copy of A Wrinkle in Time with her cover to match my other books. I don't read much Mercedes Lackey or Tanya Huff, but I really like her work on the stuff by those authors. Maybe she just wasn't getting paid enough for that series?

(Absolutely! No worries at all, as long as I can see what everything IS, it's all good. And OILS? My GOODNESS, you're ambitious. )

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LaughingAstarael In reply to temiel [2010-08-22 00:55:26 +0000 UTC]

Yeeeah. I mean, the first one was lovely... the others? Not so much. I need to look up more of her YA stuff, though - I only own one book she did the cover for, and I've got a few Spectrums where she got covers in, but that's it. But LOL THAT'S TOTALLY IT. "You're paying me this? Well fine, then, I'm going make these covers suck."

(Yay! Okay, that's a load off of my chest. And haaaha, well, I'm stupid sometimes xD. At least it came out really nicely! It would have been so much easier in watercolors, though ;______;.)

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temiel In reply to LaughingAstarael [2010-08-22 01:12:01 +0000 UTC]

I saw a cover of hers in one Spectrum, but honestly, I didn't think it was her best. I tend to like when she gets all Art Nouveau with the borders and design elements; I think that series with the nasty covers was older work of hers, before she latched onto the bordered format.

(I'm glad to hear it came out well! Very exciting. Since it's a whole big finished painting, I hope it's the sort of thing you don't mind keeping around or using in a portfolio or something. )

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