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TheJewishMarxist — Intoxication is no excuse
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Published: 2018-09-27 15:36:07 +0000 UTC; Views: 2170; Favourites: 70; Downloads: 0
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In reference for the recent questioning of Brett Kavanaugh over sexual assault of Dr. Christine Ford.
I don't care what hate I get for this opinion, but being drunk doesn't mean you automatically consent to having sex. Unless you both openly consent or at least consent before you both get hammered, then I don't think it's consent. If a woman or a man is drunk, do not have sex with them, because alcohol dulls inhibitions and people cannot legally and give basic consent under the influence.
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at first i thought it said dumb, which would also make sense
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I can honestly say I don't think anyone with any serious influence has said being shitfaced is equivalent to consent. You're ignoring the fact there was no evidence whatsoever to hang Kavanaugh on.
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The problem for me is that being drunk is not black or white. I don't drink but I used to. I would feel different after having a glass of wine, but I was definitely not out of it. So, when I hear that someone was drunk, I ask for more information. But here is where it gets really interesting. I think almost everyone knows what alcohol does to the mind, and a lot of people actively seek out that state. What do you say if she got impaired on purpose?
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I think being a little drunk is ok for consent.
If you're aware enough to drive a car and hold a conversation I think that you can consent to sex.
Extremely intoxicated, I don't think so.
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Yeah I agree, drunk is far by a lesser degree than intoxicated. Intoxicated is kind of like you feel like you're gonna fall off the earth, and it's where everything is shut down. You suffer memory-loss, your liver gets damaged, and you remember little to nothing about anything happening while in that state.
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No, but I have to ask if both are mutually drunk that usually the guy gets charged with rape rather than both parties having bad judgement automatically? Or why is it that the woman is believed rather than focusing on evidence? I don't blame victims, but shouldn't everyone take responsibility for their safety and avoid situations they know an attack is likely? They world is not a safe place and we shouldn't assume a safety net will always be there to catch us when we do stupid things.
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When you go "well what about..." and then extrapolate a hyperspecific example not really relevant to the point made... you're not looking so good. Kinda like you have to have any reason, any reason at all, to say something contrary to a perfectly reasonable point.
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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. My point was that the point made is valid, getting drunk by your own consent requires you to take steps before hand for your own safety. You go swimming in a river does that give an alligator your consent to kill you? You hike in the Rockies in spring without a partner or bearspray does that give a grizzly bear consent to maul you? You surf off the coast of California or Australia and a great white attacks you; is consent given for it to do so because you enter into that hunting ground? The answer is of course no, but that doesn't change the fact getting into the situation has a level of danger to it. Ride a bike with no helmat, drive without a seatbelt, having unsafe sex with a partner you don't know and get an STD, and most famous of course is running with scissors. Ultimately you have to be responsible for your safety and especially with compounds that can have an effect on your judgement. No one blames a rape victim for being raped, but you can do things to help prevent being raped.
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I totally agree with everything you just said- but it's not mutually exclusive with the OP's statement. People who say "she was drunk/dressed slutty/etc etc" aren't typically talking about personal responsibility, but rather applying a layer of shaming that they would never do to a man, or to most other crimes. Because it's a very specific set of reactions, systemically, and specific to cases of sexual abuse, where people for some reason tend to blame the victim rather than the offender.
So when you contribute in this way, with that kind of argument, you have to be really careful and really specific in how you express yourself, or you will come across as a sexist POS by default.
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