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Fragillimus335 [2014-01-15 23:05:14 +0000 UTC]
I want to see this exact bust on a attenuated gorilla body. Β Terrifying!
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thomastapir In reply to Fragillimus335 [2014-01-16 03:38:43 +0000 UTC]
WHOA-HO, now I'm imagining some sort of coiled "snake-a-rilla!"
Thanks for the feedback!
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Viergacht [2009-07-19 17:04:03 +0000 UTC]
That's a terrific concept! It deserves a full painting.
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Doodlebotbop [2009-06-22 16:39:13 +0000 UTC]
I didn't realize what this was in the thumbnail but when I saw it full view I was startled to laughing XD
It looked a bit like a flower with a maw in the center to me.
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Sphenacodon [2009-06-22 06:34:30 +0000 UTC]
This thing is every shade of scary. It'll haunt my nightmares. Not to mention imagining its screams...
The top and bottom flanges make sense, but wouldn't it be easier (evolutionarily speaking) to just enlarge the earlobes for the left and right audio dishes? Or is this guy doing something else as well with his flaps of flesh?
Visual connotations include bishops, penitents, and inquisitors. Given the general theme of the chimerapes, it works jolly well.
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thomastapir In reply to Sphenacodon [2009-06-24 04:10:33 +0000 UTC]
Oh, right on! Whaddidja think?
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Sphenacodon In reply to thomastapir [2009-06-24 07:49:05 +0000 UTC]
Actually, I enjoyed it, right up until Mom appeared. I didn't mind the wacky physics, I could live with the sentient storm-system, but the mother appearing out of nowhere and turning out to be a billion-year-old omnipotent alien was a bit too much. I was like "okay, I thought I was reading something, but now I'm reading something else, and I don't get it".
Oh, and on the subject of omnipotent aliens - I was totally rooting for the spiders. Explain, please, why it's a good thing to commit spider-genocide in order to reform a solar system, and (at the same time) explain why the solar system as we know it is inherently better than the asteroidy one ruled by the spiders. Besides, the spiders fail to kill a single character in the entire book, while spiders get squashed/burned/chopped up by the score. And we're supposed to sympathize with the genocidal Shapers?
Another quibble: what has the author got against scientists? Every person of the scientific persuasion is either a harmless idiot or a raving psychopathic loony.
Finally, the regular paeans of glory to the British Empire made me very uncomfortable (but it's a cultural thing - my part of the world literally collapsed due to British meddling).
On the positive side, it is a very enjoyable book. The illustrations are great, the aliens are awesome (Nipper and the Lovecraftian Squidley and Yarg are teh coolness), and the in-jokes laughed me out of my chair. Myrtle's War of the Worlds reference deserves an award.
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thomastapir In reply to Sphenacodon [2009-06-25 21:19:51 +0000 UTC]
I totally see where you're coming from with the discomfort regarding the British Empire, but I have to play the devil's advocate and say that I interpreted most if not all of that hearty nationalistic drivel as intentionally satirical and ironic. How much more absurd is cultural chauvinism when extended not just to other nations and "races" on Earth, but to the myriad sentient life forms of the solar system?! So I think there was a lot of tongue-in-cheek satire of that sort of clueless superiority complex, taking advantage of that particular setting and the revised circumstances to exaggerate and thus lampoon cultural foibles. The thing with the scientists I took as a sort of ham-handed attempt at political correctness; "Look at what Evil has been wrought by the cruel and heartless Science of the White Man!" I thought they laid it on a bit thick, and thus preferred the more understated satire inherent in the handling of the setting and characters.
I share your reservations about the Shapers, and--if I remember correctly--one of the characters in Larklight actually expressed similar concerns. Again, I think this was intentional. I saw them as a sort of extended metaphor for the British Empire, serving a similar satirical narrative purpose. They kind of represented an expansion of that naΓ―ve cultural bigotry to a universal scale. And yet, there was also a moral ambiguity to them that I found compelling; they were, technically, genocidal "colonialists" and "biotic chauvinists" (to coin a phrase, I hope)--yet "we" wouldn't exist without them, and they truly were concerned with the welfare of their "children." I suppose that's the thin pretext upon which their ostensible sympathy lies (though probably a less effective ploy with spec-bio-oriented readers, I'd imagine!). But in a sense, I saw them as beyond judgment in the same way as the spiders; they seemed only to be carrying out a kind of overriding instinctive mandate to "Shape" the universe as they saw fit, and they happened to possess the power to do so. Is it possible to apply anthrocentric moral standards to beings capable of cobwebbing solar systems--or, alternately, treating them as petri dishes to be stirred in the hopes of producing diverse new forms of life...?
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thomastapir In reply to Sphenacodon [2009-06-26 18:20:12 +0000 UTC]
re: Myrtle's hyper-femininity--probably my favorite scene in ANY of the books was in the second one, Starcross, where Myrtle takes over the narrative and is describing this event where she awakens in the middle of the night to this silvery beam of light shining in through her window. She says, "I have given Mr. Wyatt permission to illustrate this event for the edification of our readers, under the express condition that he not depict me in my night attire." You turn the page and there's this huge, elaborate, Gustave-Dore-style etching of Myrtle standing there in her nightgown in this dramatic pose, and the tiny caption reads "Myrtle in her night attire."
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whalewithlegs [2009-06-21 02:34:11 +0000 UTC]
My heart friggin skipped a beat when I saw the thumb of this. I'm not even kidding. Like, for real. I felt it. Badass.
I LOVE the way that you incorporated the orang cheeks into the sensory 'ears.' But what makes my stomach drop is imaging the SOUNDS these terrifying things would make.
I'm going to have to make a bunch of Mr. Tapir tribute drawings during my net hiatus. These are like a challenge. I can't help it.
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thomastapir In reply to whalewithlegs [2009-06-21 16:07:46 +0000 UTC]
Oh no, my Chimerape almost gave you a heart attack! I hope you never meet one in a dark alley (or jungle, shrieking at you in the darkness of the night).
Thanks man, I really appreciate that feedback! I was thinking (hoping!) this one might resonate for you because the tall, miter-like head ornament and stylized flanges sort of recall, for me, some of the surrealistic aspects of your own approach to creature design. Almost a folkloric, Flatwoods Monster-type effect ([link] ), but also hopefully with some subliminal religious overtones created by the faux ceremonial quality of the "headdress."
Thanks again, and I can't wait to see your Tapir drawings!
How close are you to the Big Date, anyway?
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thomastapir In reply to whalewithlegs [2009-06-23 05:51:10 +0000 UTC]
Aww man, I totally get you on the woodsy connection. I used to have this amazing wooded area right down the street from me, until they steamrolled it and built a subdivision when I was 17. Half a lifetime ago, but I'm still devastated. My subterranean-themed CYOA was largely based around an abandoned well I discovered on the periphery of The Woods, and just the whole sense of adventure and discovery involved in exploring its myriad trails and hollows (of The Woods, that is, not the abandoned well!). And I think the reason so much of your art resonates for me is because it captures the feel of my own near-numinous experiences out there; the wonder, mystery, and sometimes-malevolence of being in those environs. There is a raw, primal energy out there. I read once that when Roman legionnaires first reached the periphery of the Black Forest in Germany, they panicked and wept. They had just never seen something like that; they were awed to be in the presence of massive vegetable life. It was an alien experience to them, and that makes total sense to me.
Ah, anyway...It will suck to have you out of commission for a while, but I look forward to seeing your new art when you return--Tapir-related or otherwise!
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whalewithlegs In reply to thomastapir [2009-06-23 19:50:07 +0000 UTC]
Hurrah, woods resonance! Your description hits the bullseye on many points about the experience of being in the woods ... "the wonder, mystery, and sometimes-malevolence." I think in many ways the experience of just being out in the woods has almost singlehandedly cemented the fascination with 'life sciences.' Being out there hits you in so many levels ... the constant sensation of discovery at the micro level, on the ground, seeing all the plants and bugs crop up in constantly new varieties (also learning to recognize & learn more about each one) & good things to eat like berries... at the personal level of being out in a deep expansive environment filled with dynamic interactive spaces, full of light and smell and the subtle sounds of trees & animals ... and also the constant hint of malevolence, finding strange and odd spaces, plants that can and will casually stab you for your clumsiness or simple presence, inclines to fall down onto, rivers to hurt yourself in, bones from expired things, and of course the possibility of dangerous animals in their natural environment. & more & more & more than I could put down here as just a simple comment. i know I've even left out major things that could have been said, even. Also, you pointed out something that I think was very appropriate, the sensation of something alien that I think personally matches a sensation in ourselves of our own alienness. Anyway...
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Rayn-Hammer [2009-06-20 15:42:59 +0000 UTC]
This is fricken awesome!!!!! BUT! Aren't the facial flanges in front of the ears in orangutans? If so maybe a neck flange? This reminds me of this dream I had where the loose neck skin old people have is actually a a frill and when they become angered they display the frill and spit out venom, a process made easier by a loss of teeth. Picture a skinny old codger with a frill a la Dilophosaurus in Jurassic Park, toothless with projectile venom..... Frightening I know.....
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thomastapir In reply to Rayn-Hammer [2009-06-20 17:05:50 +0000 UTC]
Sounds like some of the old people I deal with at the library!
re: placement of ears relative to facial flanges--Hmm, I guess you're right, I hadn't thought of that. Oh well, this *is* a crazy space ape, after all.
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Rayn-Hammer In reply to thomastapir [2009-06-20 17:25:44 +0000 UTC]
unless you can figure out a way for the ears and flanfes to fuse in giant cheek ears?
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thomastapir In reply to Rayn-Hammer [2009-06-23 02:33:11 +0000 UTC]
Hm, I'm not really sure how (if?) that would work, assuming these guys are bound by the same evolutionary conventions as orthodox terrestrial life. I mean at that point it would have to be the ears somehow migrating ahead of the cheek flaps, and I just don't see how it would happen (though I'm certainly open to suggestions). I guess I'm inclined to imagine the flaps forming a kind of sonar baffle or reflector that transmits sound to the ears lying beneath, either mechanically or through a communicating system of nerves. But as I say, these guys are more aesthetic/biological fantasy than intellectual/spec bio, so I'm not that troubled by the issue.
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Rayn-Hammer In reply to thomastapir [2009-06-23 04:21:11 +0000 UTC]
True true. Even if it doesn't work, it still is rather cool. Oh, and I just noticed, youv'e never made any serpentine chimerapes..... Now that would be different.....
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thomastapir In reply to Rayn-Hammer [2009-06-23 04:26:36 +0000 UTC]
No serpentine Chimerapes, though there are some with tentacles. See exchange with ~whale under ([link] ).
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Rayn-Hammer In reply to thomastapir [2009-06-23 04:52:27 +0000 UTC]
you guys really go in depth with these ideas.... oh I just thought of something awesome!!!!!!!!!! you know how that dinosauroid thing dale russel designed was basically just an anthropomorphic lizard, you should make a sketch of what one of Nemo's Dinosauroids would hypothosize an primate would have looked like had they become intelligent (if I am correct, some scientist believe primates evolved 85 mya?). Basically it would be an ape with a theropod body plan. Oh the satire!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rodlox [2009-06-20 03:40:54 +0000 UTC]
eat your heart out, Morlocks.
(unless the Orang Chiropterapes get to you first)
I can picture these {Orang Chiropterape} guys moving about on the ground, in the trees, leaping from tree to tree...and even flying forms.
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fractalxavier91 [2009-06-20 03:15:13 +0000 UTC]
I like how the side flanges resemble ears, sort of a clue to their function.
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