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ZeroGravityCroquet — 'WHAT IF YOU WERE ABORTED??'
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The title is a question I frequently see pro-lifers asking their opponents.My answer to this question is: if I was aborted I wouldn’t be around to feel anything “If my birth would’ve harmed or killed my mother, filled her with regret or emotional distress, or financially damaged her, then I would have rather been aborted.”
My reason behind that answer is this belief: every child should be loved and wanted. They should be given the chance to have parents that love them dearly, instead of being seen through the lens of “this child is a mistake”, or “this child is a reminder of being raped”, or “this child is financially sucking me dry”. Even worse is when the child doesn’t even get a chance to have parents and is instead thoughtlessly dumped off into the foster care system.
I think that bringing a child into an environment where they’re going to be regretted, mistreated, or abandoned is far crueler than simply aborting them.
I have loving and caring parents, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. If I had been a child that was simply a reminder of mistakes or pain, or a creator of suffering and bitterness, then I would rather have not been brought into this world at all. Simple as that.
However, I recognize that I can't speak for every child that might be aborted, and that many people are grateful to be born. This stamp simply states my answer to that common pro-life question.
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If my mom had been forced to keep me that wouldn't bother me at all. I'd be put out that she'd wanted to kill me, but I'd be extremely grateful to the person that saved my life. It's hypothetical anyway, my mom's pro life.
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"I would rather be a loved and wanted child-"
dude, your dead.
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Steve Jobs was an accident and his father wanted him aborted or he would leave his mother, but his mother wanted to give her child a life so she met with parents until the Jobs came around and took him in when he was born. So whenever you buy your new iPhone, there's your argument for choosing life.
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Steve Jobs got lucky. Simple as that.
Just because somebody was accidentally created does NOT mean that they'll be lucky as Steve Jobs.
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Wow. You are a terrible person. So, you're telling me that a child who is an "accident" as you say should be aborted because they weren't wanted? Yeah, the adoption process is long and tedious but is ripping an unborn child apart or forcefully pull them out with forceps. Finally, if you don't want my Bible in your womb then keep your hands out of my wallet and make sure that the child doesn't feel a lick of pain.
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Also, I forgot to mention on my previous reply to you that my other point is that when a person is created, they should not expect to be as lucky as, oh, name a famous person.
Instead, they should strive to be their own person, and later in life, work hard to make their own fortune. Sure, they might not have the same resources as Steve Jobs, but they can at least make an honest living.
I apologize for not clarifying my two points to you on my first reply directed to you.
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Oh, okay then. I agree, everyone should have the opportunity to be someone and strive to be successful.
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Funny story, I once met somebody on the bus that literally wanted to shape his life to have literally every positive trait that Steve Jobs' life had. I told him: "Dude, you don't have to be Steve Jobs in order to succeed in life. Just be your own man".
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Exactly. Strive to be the best you not a cheap imitation of someone else.
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Indeed.
Apparently that guy I talked about was a Steve Jobs fanboy, but I still hope that he learned that he does NOT have to become his idol.
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Indeed, you can be inspired by a person but don't try to be them.
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Another funny thing, on the bus, I even met a person who wanted to literally be the next Elvis in terms of singing style.
Personally, if that guy wants to be a singer so badly, he should be his own singer.
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Exactly. Like I said before, be inspired by a person but don't be that person.
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Anyways, have a good Christmas.
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It was nice talking to you,
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No, I'm not saying they should have been aborted for that, my point is that there needs to be more adoption facilities for those who are less fortunate.
And by the way, even though I tolerate early term abortions, I am AGAINST late-term abortions. Because the late-term fetus is the ONLY true unborn baby, since a fetus only gains sentience at late-term.
Also, I forgot to mention that I am an advocate for promoting adoption facilities. That way, there will be far less abortions happening.
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Glad that we agree on some things.
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Indeed. I’m not going to kill a woman or call her baby murderer if she chooses an abortion but I don’t want my money being used to pay for it.
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By the way, I am not Pro-Life or Pro-Choice. I am Pro-Neutral when it comes to abortion.
I believe that compromises need to happen to benefit both sides.
I agree with some of your Pro-Life points.
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Alright then. Then I have no qualms with you.
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That's a relief.
By the way, I came up with a theory that could help both Pro-Lifers and Pro-Choicers alike:
Part 1:
- Step 1: C-Section.
- Step 2: Life-Saving Surgery to keep both the mother and the baby alive.
- Step 3: Blood Donations (can either be relatives with the same blood type or strangers with the same blood type) for both the mother and the baby, once again, to keep them both alive.
- Step 4: Some kind of new and special machine to keep the baby alive. (For example, an improved version of this technology: www.npr.org/sections/health-sh… .)
- Step 1: Allowing pregnant women at late-term pregnancy to have easy access to any sort of help to help (counselling, support groups, painkillers, etc.) in order to help pregnant women at late-term pregnancy get through with their pregnancy if they want to have a baby, or to cope with their late-term pregnancy if they do not want to raise the child. If the woman does not want to give birth to a baby and the pregnancy is at late-term and/or if the woman is dying due to pregnancy complications, then the methods in Part 1 (A theory for a solution that could work.... ) will be used.
- Step 2: Improve adoption facilities to take good care of the kids with more effort and resources. Add precautions to ensure that the staff are nice to said kids.
- Step 3: After improving said adoption facilities, promote the aforementioned adoption facilities.
- Step 4: Promote the use of alternative forms of birth control that do NOT use abortion.
- Step 5: Promote the aforementioned uses of c-sections, life-saving surgery, blood donations, and the theoretical new and special machine (all four of those explained in Part 1, see the link to Part 1 that is in Step 1 of this very list.)
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Apology's for jumping in here - but I found all of this absolutely interesting. I really like your idea's listed above. Not Pro-choice or Pro-life - Pro-neutral? that's an thing? hmm - I like the sound of that. I'm not an radical pro-choicer, nor an unreasonable pro-lifer, and that pisses off so many people.
I'm fine with the morning after pill and very early abortions . Late term abortions should be avoided - and only used in absolute dire situations (the mom's about to die from sever preeclampsia or advanced H.E.L.L.P. syndrome en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HELLP_sy…- the latter which only manifests past the 21 week mark ). I strongly feel that abortions should be considered an serious matter - having an abortion should never be consider an casual matter - ever .
I hate how the media strongly portrays that only irresponsible teens have unwanted pregnancies and there for only irresponsible teens want abortions. And how these irresponsible teens are portrayed as selfish for wanting an abortion, and not going though with the pregnancy and giving said child up for adoption to an couple who desperately want an a kid. ( By the way I hated the movie 'Juno' with an absolute passion. The Juno's character was so fucking annoying. She got pregnant over consented sex. Why wasn't this girl taking birth control pills (or patch or whatever)? Why didn't they use condoms? Why didn't her parents encourage the use of birth control?- To have an teenager that's not using or taking any type of birth control is an reflection of bad parenting!)
First off teen pregnancy rates are on the decline. Secondly, majority of the time women only get an abortion because of rape (this happens for women mostly in their 20's and 30's).
The adoption system is a mess. Social workers are over burden with an insane amount of cases, many children put into the system at birth and spend their whole lives being raised by an assortment of foster families (and a lot of the time these kids are sexually or mentally or even physically abused by their "loving foster parents") . The adoption process is expensive : so along with having to buy stuff like clothes, toys, cribs/beds, car seats, and saving up for daycare and etc for the new child - new parents also have to pay up to 5000$ (it cost that much in my region) in adoption fees. Their are also unfair adoption rules. If an unmarried woman decides to give the baby up for adoption the man has no say . If the couple is married, and the mother gives the baby up for adoption - then the father has the legal right to go to the home that the baby was adopted into and reclaim his child (with the aid of an police officer of course).
we need to encourage sex ed and the use of birth control, and the importance of consent - hopefully then the rate of unwanted pregnancies that are resolved via abortion will go down.
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Glad to meet another Pro-Neutral person on this site.
Interesting points.
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Yes, this is indeed an rarity. Almost everyone is either extreme pro choice or pro life. I hate how many pro lifers distort the truth to guilt trip sexually active people and to spread lies. Extreme pro choicer's are no better - they just angrily scream on and on about choice and control.
Extreme Pro lifers have enforced ridiculous laws in united states example : www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRauXX…. And in recent years in the united states they have opened up Crisis pregnancy centers www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hj…, at place where the workers are not trained medical professionals and the workers will lie to an clients face and say things like "Condoms are only like 20% effective" (condoms are 98% effective), "having an abortion will give you breast cancer" (their is no research to prove this) , "A baby is a person the moment egg meets sperm" (even the pope believes that an baby isn't alive until it has an heart beat - which happens at the 6 week mark -not conception) , "Put off having your abortion for now - do it later - you can get an abortion at any point during your pregnancy" (in most countries you can't have an abortion past the 20 week mark - but to be honest over 90% abortions happen during the first trimester - and it usually involves taking pills.).
Angry pro choicers just go on and on about choice and letting women have of their control of their own bodies. Most of them shut down the conversation and storm off if they think your even slightly pro life. Shutting down the conversation about how abortions should only be used as an last resort. How birth control/sex education should be taught world wide in all schools. The importance of expressing to teens that not all birth control methods are 100% effective - there is always an chance (sometimes its like 2% out of 100%). If your 14 or 15 (or younger or older) and want to start having sex you must also think about the consequences of that choice ( what are you going to do if birth control fails - and your pregnant 14 year old?) Being a pregnant teen is very hard and an teens body growth and mental/emotional/social development. Yes, some girls do get pregnant after having sex only once - if you don't use any birth control there is an 80%chance of getting pregnant. Expressing to young girls the importance of keeping track of their periods (even if their not sexually active - missing an period can be caused by stress, or athletic life-style, or being underweight or taking certain medications - its important to check up on these things). Teaching teens and young adults (and others) the importance of consent - "No means no, no matter what other people tell you!". (rape is one of the number one reasons women get abortions). Yes, abortions should be readily available in all countries for all women at any time- but it was never meant to be repeatedly used over and over and over again in place of taking/using routine birth control.
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Thank you for sharing.
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Intelligent ideas, perhaps we should start a campaign for these ideas to fruition. I'm sure they will satisfy both parties.
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Indeed.
You can take my ideas, if you want. Or, you can come up with similar ideas. Or do both. It's up to you.
Once again, I sincerely regret that I did not specify what I meant on my first reply to you.
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I accept your apology and I’m sorry that I jumper to conclusions.
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Thank you. And I forgive you too.
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If you think a 13-year-old Pregnant Rape Survivor isn't "Mature Enough" to have an abortion, what makes you think she's "Mature Enough" to have a baby she doesn't want caused by rape?
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Radical Pro-lifer: "What if you were aborted?"
Me: -smirk- "Simple. I would not even aware of the process of said abortion happening to give a damn."
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well, of course that if you were aborted you would not be able to care about it. You'd be dead after all.
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Sorry if my comment angered you. Just to clarify, I was merely directing that previous comment of mine to the radical pro-lifers, not the civil ones like yourself.
Thank you for being civil about your opinion. We need more civil pro-lifers like you.
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oh, don't worry, you didn't make me mad. That was about about your answer. Sorry I made you think I was angry.
But anyway, if you had been aborted, you would be dead, so in this case, you wouldn't be around to care.
You said you wouldn't be around to care if you were aborted and i said why.
And thanks! (Happy Easter BTW)
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By the way, my opinion on abortion has partially changed since late December of last year (more specifically, approximately Dec. 25). Allow me to elaborate:
I am still against forced abortions, for obvious reasons (forced abortions are just as bad as forced pregnancies, after all.)
I still accept early-term abortions (eg. when the fetus is about the size of a penny, cannot survive without the woman, and is not sentient), but now I am against late-term abortion (when the fetus is roughly the size of a baby, can survive without the woman and is sentient) since approximately December 25th.
Also, as of late December, the only time that I accept late-term abortions are if the woman's life is in danger.
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I kind of see what you mean, but by six weeks at most the fetus can already feel pain, so it's going to feel what is happening to them in the abortion (which usually includes dismemberment).
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