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xyz-dbz [2011-05-15 09:38:21 +0000 UTC]
Lovely icon,perhaps you are willing to make another one in this hi res?
byzantine version of Christ?
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xyz-dbz In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-16 07:20:01 +0000 UTC]
Please try the portrait version like this one [link]
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Aodhagain In reply to xyz-dbz [2011-05-16 18:02:32 +0000 UTC]
Good idea! Yes, I'll put that on my list... I was also thinking one more focused on Christ the King... something more along the lines of this: [link]
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xyz-dbz In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-16 18:29:05 +0000 UTC]
maybe thats even better version
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Aodhagain In reply to xyz-dbz [2011-05-16 21:30:10 +0000 UTC]
Yeah... my parish has something like that, except carved in stone on the outside of the church building. I wanted to do something along those lines.
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virus-leach [2011-05-12 17:13:58 +0000 UTC]
i really dont know why you catholics even try to imitate eastern icons, when we said everything we needed to say in 1054
hope orthodox people never forget catholic crusades, ww1, ww2, and many other quasi-christian interventions against the so called "evils of islam"
when in fact we were slaughtered with the popes blessings
wolf can change its fur,but the character never
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-12 18:42:57 +0000 UTC]
First, many Catholics are part of liturgical rites that follow the eastern tradition and icons are something very much a part of their spirituality. 1054 was not a split between the east and the west, but the Catholics and those who left and formed the Orthodox. Icons are a great part of our Catholic heritage. I personally have a very deep love for Eastern spirituality - particularly iconography and chant. There are still many many Catholics today who attend the Divine Liturgy in the tradition of the Byzantines and other Eastern cultures.
I hope the Orthodox never forget that they were the ones who asked for help because of Islamic military expansion which greatly threatened the Byzantine Empire. And the Catholic Crusades were partly a response to this. The evils of Islam were very real, as the Orthodox should remember better than we do, especially what happened in 1453 with Constantinople. There were things that happened during the Crusades, done by Catholics, that we disgusting and horrible in regards to the Byzantine Orthodox. What happened here was certainly NOT done with the Pope's blessings... However, the Orthodox and Christians were united against the Islamic threat. I encourage you to read the Alexiad, a historical document from the time written by the daughter of Alexios Comnenus.
Do not confuse the Catholic Church with the West in general. The Catholic Church, as should be inherently obvious from the term "catholic" (a Greek word, incidentally, that denotes "universal), span the entire world and are part of all cultures and heritages - not simply the west, but the East as well. I should hope you bear this in mind, particularly when looking at the first and second world wars.
I pray every day for the reunion of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-13 13:28:23 +0000 UTC]
thats because you made up those so called templars when you needed them, afterwards when the pope wanted to get their gold, he demonized their role in the crusades so they were the ones responsible what happened in the east
luckily the gold went missing,
in any way islam will take over the europe in due time so dont be scared when you see on tv mujaheedin killing people in rome,paris
trust me next time they atempt jihad in europe we wont slow them down like in the medieval times
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-13 15:52:56 +0000 UTC]
Yes, we started the Templars for the Crusades. They were by no means the ones responsible for the abuses in the Crusades. Not by a long shot. What happened later with them being burnt at the stake was more political with the delinquent king Philip of France. There are documents from Pope Clement that show that he opposed what happened to the Templars.
Islam hardly needs to attempt jihad to take over Europe. They pretty much just need to keep doing what they're doing - i.e. having children while the rest of Europe practices contraception and abortion. They can just breed the Europeans out.
No, I don't think we'll slow them down in the way we did in Medieval times. But believe me, that doesn't mean we won't slow them down. God will side with His people.
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-13 17:14:15 +0000 UTC]
by we i meant my nation which payed the ultimate price in every conflict regarding the turks,while you in the west feasted in castles we were on the battlefields fighting sultans and their concept of an "islamic arrow that shall cross through vienna,paris,rome,london and conquer the world" as they said to our captured prince in the kosovo 1389
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-13 19:31:06 +0000 UTC]
To be fair, the Westerns made some effort. Well, I would say more specifically, the Catholics made some effort - particularly the Popes. I'd also mention St. Catherine of Siena. And eventually they managed to stop the Muslim expansion into the west, particularly at the battle of Lepanto. Still, western Europe was rather stupid for the most part.
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-14 09:43:31 +0000 UTC]
yes first in croatia where you forcibly made orthodox serbs into catholic croats
and even today you are still trying to exterminate us,but we will never convert to your religion
your dear pope john paul 2,publicly advocated for explulsion of orthodox christians out of croatia and bosnia in 90s,bombardment of serbia in 1999,now you wanna try that old trick with ecumenism since serbs in serbia hate everything catholic.
we know what you really are,and what you really want
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-14 18:50:07 +0000 UTC]
I am not very familiar with what you're referring to, but I know a bit about it.
Just because a Catholic clergyman is performing some atrocity doesn't mean that our religion, and the Pope, publicly condone this. I should that's obvious, just refer to the sexual abuse scandals. Obviously, the Catholic Church is not advocating the abuse of minors. And it's stupid to claim that they do simply because Catholic clergyman perform such actions.
Were Bl. John Paul II to advocate the expulsion of orthodox Christians out of Croatia and Bosnia, it would utterly contradict his other policies and actions during his papacy. Not to mention what he taught. Just refer to the encyclical Evangelium Vitae. So, though I don't know many details, pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical. What you may be referring to is that he beatified this bishop: [link] which met with some controversy.
Please, I understand that Catholics have committed many atrocities against Orthodox. We do not condone this, and we condemn it as evil just as much as you do. However, I am sure Orthodox have committed many atrocities against individual Catholics - would you condone this, simply because they are Orthodox?
I think it's silly to "wander interminably in the realm of comparative atrocities" (Ronald Knox).
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-15 09:18:49 +0000 UTC]
in every war we never tried to implement our beliefs to anyone,while you harrased us and many more for not wanting to accept pope as the highest authority of christianity on this planet,therefore that makes a difference.
even in times of peace you infiltrated into eastern churches hoping to gain followers,by threats or by means of undermining our efforts to be independent in any way you deemed possible
best example is opus dei and many quasi-orthodox priests who entered our churches to preach us the so called ecumenism aka "pope wanna rule orthodox people" movement
lets just face it-you are losing believers so you wanna forcibly make us into catholics
we have lived under muslim rule for 500 years and many think that it was far better then than it is today in catholic european union
fake friendship never lasts long,many believe there was no friendship between us and you in any point in history
only a pure interest i.e when you wanted the muslims out of europe
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-15 19:38:46 +0000 UTC]
When it comes down to it, it doesn't matter what the other side has done. We'll never get anywhere. What matters is what is True or not. Christ instituted the Church, he named Peter the first Pope... the Orthodox left. Yes, we want to bring you back to the fullness of Truth. It's not about the Pope trying to "rule Orthodox people" but trying to reunite Christ's Church. Christ has only one Spouse, God was never big on polygamy.
Well, I object to forcing people to convert. That's not a true conversion.
I don't object to people like Opus Dei going in and preaching the Catholic faith. Sorry, that's what Christ commands us to do.
I am sorry that you've been so purely treated at the hands of Catholics. But the efforts of the Pope are not to force you to be under his rule, but to bring you back to the fullness of truth and to reunite Christ's church. We cannot act differently without disobeying the direct mandate of Christ to preach the Truth.
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-16 09:28:01 +0000 UTC]
everyone can and will believe in the christ as they see it,not what someone says them is right and whats wrong
the truth has been accepted by everyone who calls himself christian, it certainly does not incorporate papacy as the only source of truth nor its supremacy over all other
pope accepts only one doctrine:i lead all other follow
many orthodox dont like that kind of supremacy imposed,much better is to change it completely into this one:first among equals
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-16 18:05:11 +0000 UTC]
The fullness of truth has not been accepted by everyone who calls himself Christian. Some Christians deny crucial doctrines that Jesus Himself taught - such as the Eucharist. Truth is not a matter of opinion!
Read the Bible. Christ gives Peter the "keys to the kingdom of heaven". He is the rock on which Christ builds His church. The Pope should not be a worldly leader, but a "servant of the servants of God".
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-28 15:59:53 +0000 UTC]
that is the problem and the source for utter attack on everyone who oppose it
you started it in 1914 then in 1941 then in 1991
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-28 16:11:39 +0000 UTC]
If Catholics have attacked Orthodox violently in order to try and get them to believe, then I consider them to be against Catholicism as well as Orthodoxy. That is contrary to Catholic doctrine. You're not thinking with common sense.
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-28 16:29:42 +0000 UTC]
i dont judge that at all,but the main reason we cant aggree over 1000 years is so much in doctrine as in neigbourly relations,due to diferences in viewing the family and the politics
family between an orthodox and roman catholic is often very tricky businness for example
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-28 16:42:30 +0000 UTC]
Alright, I'll consent to that. What do you mean by "the family" and the "politics family" specifically?
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virus-leach In reply to Aodhagain [2011-05-28 17:37:18 +0000 UTC]
mixed marriages never worked and always showed what is the current situation considering the 2 groups of christians
politics are the factor that clearly showed hatred between us
heck,ethnic tensions were just a fabricated excuse during wars,true reason was religion
and its normal we wont unite ever again after 1054 thats the fact
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Aodhagain In reply to virus-leach [2011-05-28 17:43:08 +0000 UTC]
I agree that mixed marriages hardly ever work. Religion, however, is not politics.
I think reunion of the Churches is very very possible. Because you can bet that God wills it, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of unity. St. Paul clearly says "let there be no disagreement among you" and in other places clearly rebukes early Christians for fighting amongst themselves. God does not want us to be separate. And so therefore, the Churches will be reunited someday (and probably sooner than you'd think) whether you like it or not.
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earthstar001 [2011-02-12 15:02:58 +0000 UTC]
omg! i grew up in a Byzantine Catholic Church & we always called Mary, the Mother of God, but when i was 15 the priest told us that the Diocese told us we had to call her the Theotokos. I went: doesn't that translate to God Bearer or Mother of God?
& the priest went: well, yeah
me: THEN WAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?!
Priest: the Diocese said we have to call her that now
me: if they told us to jump off a bridge, should we?
Priest: ...
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earthstar001 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-02-12 21:36:24 +0000 UTC]
idk, but it's Byzantine, weird.
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earthstar001 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-02-13 02:25:57 +0000 UTC]
it's really beautiful. i'm not a fan of roman rite mass, it comes from growing up in the byzantine
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Aodhagain In reply to earthstar001 [2011-02-13 03:23:05 +0000 UTC]
Well, I think the Novus Ordo Mass currently is very watered down and most parishes put very little effort into it. I'm just more comfortable with that form of the Mass having grown up with it.
Question, is Byzantine liturgy in Greek? or do they use English as well?
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earthstar001 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-02-13 04:04:32 +0000 UTC]
not the one I went to. It was in English & b4 it was English it was in Latin
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Tahnja [2011-02-05 23:27:11 +0000 UTC]
This is just gorgeous....I love the tenderness in both their faces. May I ask if you're a Priest? Or religious? Many of my most treasured friends are Priests. How I have devoted so much of my heart and my prayers to the Lord's Princes on earth.
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ThatOneGuy92 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-02-08 03:45:44 +0000 UTC]
"I'm too young still to join the priesthood. I plan on joining the seminary as soon as I can."
Stay strong, keep the Faith. The call to priesthood is at once one of joy and burden; of exaltation and humiliation. If it truly God's will that you become a priest, He shall lead you accordingly. And all of Hell will be bent on destroying you.
Entrust yourself to Christ. Bind yourself to the Trinity; nail yourself to the Cross. Remember that the greatest is truly the least. Love all, and despise your sin. Pray fervently, and walk in honesty.
But, you know all of this. Alas, forgive the ramblings of an old soul...
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ThatOneGuy92 In reply to Aodhagain [2011-02-08 04:16:56 +0000 UTC]
I have been occasionally known to say something worthwhile.
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ThatOneGuy92 [2011-02-05 03:53:11 +0000 UTC]
Fun fact: The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom has tons of references to the Theotokos. In fact, every petition ends with a 'Theotokion', an invocation of Mary's intercession. That, and constants cries of "Most Holy Theotokos, save us!" abound.
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