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Description Red October (Russian: Красный Октябрь, "Krasniy Oktyabr" ) is a fictitious Typhoon class submarine in the Tom Clancy novel The Hunt for Red October and the film which followed. She was built with a revolutionary stealth propulsion system called a "caterpillar drive", which is described as a hydrojet system in the book. In the film however, it is shown as being a magnetohydrodynamic drive.

The story

The drama of the story partially centers around the dual capabilities of this submarine. As a submarine of the Typhoon class, it carries many ballistic missiles armed with nuclear warheads. With a stealthy propulsion unit, it can no longer be detected by NATO naval vessels. As described in both the book and the film, these capabilities combine to create a horrific weapon, whereby the submarine could easily reach the coastal waters of a city, like Washington DC, fire its missiles, and destroy key targets before any government or military leaders could order a counterattack.

One interpretation, as offered in the film and book, is that this submarine's existence is for one purpose: not as a deterrent to an American attack on the Soviet Union, but solely as a weapon of first strike. It thus becomes critical for the U.S. government to see this submarine either destroyed or captured.

Captain First Rank Marko Aleksandrovich Ramius was the first and last commanding officer of Red October. According to the story The Hunt for Red October, in late 1984 Ramius and his command crew took the Red October out on exercises. Once at sea Ramius murdered the political officer and then turned the ship towards the United States. Despite efforts by the Soviet Navy, Red October was able to reach USS Dallas and the United States was able to engage in a complicated rescue plan.

Along for the ride on the Dallas, and later on the Red October, is a part-time CIA analyst named Jack Ryan, who read Ramius' intent and suggested setting up the rendezvous. The rescue plan resulted in the Russian Navy believing the ship had been destroyed. The Soviet Alfa-class attack submarine Konovalov discovered Red October's survival, but was destroyed before it could report back that Red October's sinking had been staged.

Most of the officers defected with Ramius but the commander of the Dallas concealed the defection from the rest of the crew, who were repatriated in due course. The sub was gutted by the U.S. Navy to discern its secrets. Sometime between a year and eighteen months later the remains of the ship were sunk in a deep ocean trench. The technology then seems to disappear, although there are later references in some other books, including The Sum of All Fears.

In reality, a variant of the magnetohydrodynamic drive stated in the film has been tested, but proved too inefficient and cumbersome to be used as an effective means of a propulsion system on a ship. This type of propulsion system also would not be enclosed in a duct/pipe (as depicted in the film). A pump jet would be more efficient, but not enough for a submarine of that size.

In the series of books to come by Tom Clancy, the Red October adventure proved useful to Ryan's career. In later books, Ryan is able to use his heroism in obtaining the submarine as a lever with which to force a threatening KGB Secretary to defect to the US against his will (in the novel The Cardinal of the Kremlin), ending the possibility of a Kremlin coup against a politically centrist Soviet government.

Years later the truth of these events came to light when political opponents of then President Jack Ryan, revealed his part in the affair. By this time the Soviet Union had collapsed and the prevailing opinion in Moscow seems to have been "Well Done", though they put the Russian hierarchy in a political bind vis-a-vis cooperation with the United States at a critical point.

In the story, Red October is the seventh Typhoon class hull built for the Soviet Navy; the real seventh boat, hull number TK-210, was laid down in the late 1980s, canceled before it could have been commissioned and scrapped in 1990. None of the real Typhoon class submarines had 26 missile tubes or were considerably larger than the other Typhoon class SSBN's in the Russian Navy. Most Typhoon class subs were only about 175 meters long with about a 23 meter beam. The Red October would also have been about 5 tons heavier than the normal Typhoon class sub. No Soviet submarines were officially named Red October. There are no submarines in existence that have used a form of magnetohydrodynamic propulsion.
[edit] Appearance

In the film, the Red October appears much like a standard Typhoon-class submarine though it has a number of significant differences. The aft section of the submarine contains two ducts for the caterpillar drive. The upper rudder carries a towed sonar array which typical Typhoon-class submarines do not feature. Also the bridge tower of the submarine is taller and more simplified, with no large bulging lower section of a standard Typhoon bridge tower, but instead a much smaller bulge. The difference in appearance of the bridge tower may have been an error in the design of the model of the Red October as earlier on in the film, schematics of a Typhoon-class submarine are shown which display a standard Typhoon bridge tower but also carry the sonar array attached to the rudder as on Red October.
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Comments: 40

Davinci975 [2022-05-07 21:51:00 +0000 UTC]

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LeDorean [2020-09-23 05:09:20 +0000 UTC]

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bagera3005 In reply to LeDorean [2020-09-23 05:16:37 +0000 UTC]

I’m going to do high raz one over winter

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trentharvestmoon [2016-02-05 05:51:46 +0000 UTC]

red october's theme: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JnxmI… <- 

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Pilot11L4 In reply to trentharvestmoon [2016-08-17 06:03:41 +0000 UTC]

LOL

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History-Explorer [2015-03-04 22:53:09 +0000 UTC]

Great schematic, very well done!

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CylonRaider [2014-10-25 01:06:54 +0000 UTC]

well done

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bagera3005 In reply to CylonRaider [2014-10-25 01:11:50 +0000 UTC]

thanks

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dinobatfan [2014-07-29 05:39:49 +0000 UTC]

This is very well done! I really like this interpretation of the Red October.

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Alpha-Squid [2014-05-08 13:03:22 +0000 UTC]

AWESOME!!!!!!! FAVE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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med8tr0n [2014-01-29 18:28:21 +0000 UTC]

Nice, I did a few out of paper but I haven't put any on my page yet, like what you've done. 

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BosquianDeathAce [2013-09-29 23:43:35 +0000 UTC]

Caterpillar type propulsion

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bagera3005 In reply to BosquianDeathAce [2013-09-29 23:55:08 +0000 UTC]

yes

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DesolationStation17 [2013-01-13 02:06:15 +0000 UTC]

The Red October is possibly the coolest submarine of all time!

I haven't read the book yet, but I have seen the movie.

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Pokefool94 [2012-09-28 01:57:40 +0000 UTC]

I'll give you one guess what book I'm reading right now.

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AstroFox624 [2012-09-22 04:26:10 +0000 UTC]

Hiya baby, she's quite a beauty!

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Midway2009 [2012-08-21 04:14:42 +0000 UTC]

She is my favorite Typhoon sub.

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Ralph1989 [2012-05-31 16:47:45 +0000 UTC]

I see only 20 missile tubes. Red October had 26 × RSM-52 ballistic missiles.

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bagera3005 In reply to Ralph1989 [2012-05-31 21:32:13 +0000 UTC]

doing m-20 one later

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ColonialChrome In reply to bagera3005 [2014-04-08 12:58:36 +0000 UTC]

Ralph is quite correct. Simply changing the scale later won't change that this is not the October. This is no different from doodling a DeLorean and insisting it's Doc Brown's DeLorean, or a green van and saying it's the mystery machine. 

Think you really ought to be clear that this is the (significantly erroneous) movie model rather than the Red October as described in epic detail by Clancy.

Just in summary...

October is 12 meters longer, and 3 meters wider than a Typhoon. She holds 6 additional Seahawk SS-N-20 missiles. Her tunnel drive doors are circular, fore and aft and are coaxial through the hull. Neither October nor Typhoons carried a towed array pod on the tail - this could be ignored if it weren't a plot point in the film (and book) that she does NOT carry one - it's why she performs Crazy Ivan turns - to look behind her, which a submarine with a TSA does not have to do). Typhoons and October have dive planes behind shrouded propellors, the chopped beavertail you show here never set sail. October is the seventh ship to sail, and as such would feature the advanced side looking sonar that ran most of the length of the hull (you seem to show it as possibly hull plating, whereas it's a rectangular bulge) plus the LIHF sonar array on the nose. You've got the forward escape hatch marked, but not the rear one, it'd be both either way.

You also seem to have omitted the attack periscope, though this could simply be retracted.

Most features are not in parallel between the side and plan elevations either.

I guess after years of rattling this stuff out you've still not garnered an interest in research or accuracy. C'est la guerre.

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bagera3005 In reply to ColonialChrome [2014-04-08 13:10:09 +0000 UTC]

like i sad im working on new one

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DrBenzer [2012-04-09 12:25:31 +0000 UTC]

his is great art really like it. I have read red storm rising and it great work but have not got to hunt for red October. I have seen the movie really liked that. again great work

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eddievhfan1984 [2011-12-11 14:58:00 +0000 UTC]

Great detail, dude.

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InsaneSamantha [2011-10-12 15:18:37 +0000 UTC]

Epic!

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Lex-the-Pikachu [2011-01-29 13:57:47 +0000 UTC]

awesome drawing, i loved that movie

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MarkSYNTHESIS [2010-02-22 00:19:46 +0000 UTC]

It's a.....ill-thought-out story....but a nice diagram nonetheless. You did well, though I wouldn't say Tom Clancy did necessarily.

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BlacktailFA [2010-02-15 05:53:06 +0000 UTC]

The bitter irony of the whole plot basis (the Red October's propulsion system) is that it ignores the single loudest component of a Nuclear Submarine's propulsion system --- the Nuclear Reactor itself!

Observe;
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ARAJediMaster1138 In reply to BlacktailFA [2012-02-17 16:47:07 +0000 UTC]

I'm not sure; does the submarine need a nuclear reactor to keep its engines going or what? I think that they when the caterpillar drive was activated, they would have shut off the reactor and let the silent drive do the work.

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BlacktailFA In reply to ARAJediMaster1138 [2012-02-18 06:13:41 +0000 UTC]

Shutting down a nuclear reactor takes a LONG time, and getting it going again takes even longer --- plus, you have to have a cooling system with all sorts of pumps and other plumbing running at all times one way or another, just to keep the thing from melting down.

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ARAJediMaster1138 In reply to BlacktailFA [2012-02-18 06:32:43 +0000 UTC]

But does the reactor power the engines? Are there other systems that rely on its power?

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BlacktailFA In reply to ARAJediMaster1138 [2012-02-18 09:06:51 +0000 UTC]

The reactor is basically a Steam Boiler --- it boils steam that drives Steam turbines, which either charge the batteries, drive the screw(s), or both. The turbines are an additional source of noise.

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ARAJediMaster1138 In reply to BlacktailFA [2012-02-18 16:36:22 +0000 UTC]

And the batteries power everything else on the ship; right? Lights and whatnot; every bit of electrical equipment the sub would need? And without it, everything does dead.

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BlacktailFA In reply to ARAJediMaster1138 [2012-02-18 23:52:17 +0000 UTC]

That's the idea. Subs also have alternators attached to their powerplants that generate electricity while they're running, but most of the time they get their power from batteries.

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ARAJediMaster1138 In reply to BlacktailFA [2012-02-19 00:31:13 +0000 UTC]

Okay, but here's the big question; would the reactor be actually heard at all? If so, then perhaps in the story, an experimental reactor could have been built to reduce the noise it would have made normally and a design flaw in could have been exploited by Ramius to prompt the crew off of the vessel; something that wouldn't produce too much radiation, but enough. If the reactor isn't heard anyway, then Mr. Clancy wouldn't have to worry with that issue, would he?

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Messenger-Of-Chaos [2010-02-14 04:28:23 +0000 UTC]

"No papers? No papers."

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bagera3005 In reply to Messenger-Of-Chaos [2010-02-14 04:29:46 +0000 UTC]

perhaps i will need two wives

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Sobek52 In reply to bagera3005 [2011-08-20 04:33:29 +0000 UTC]

Oh, at least.

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ian7842 [2010-02-14 01:54:08 +0000 UTC]

red october... like the witch from Freedom Force

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bagera3005 In reply to ian7842 [2010-02-14 02:04:07 +0000 UTC]

no like the sub from movie an the knight of long knifes

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ian7842 In reply to bagera3005 [2010-02-14 02:07:22 +0000 UTC]

oh yeah! the witch i mentioned was called red oktober instead of october

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