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Description ...teach the child.

It has always been my longest belief that parents who use spanking or corporal punishment as a method to teach their children lessons are not only lazy, but incredibly inept in communication skills.

It wasn't so long ago that it was socially acceptable for a man to hit his wife, or his woman, because she was not considered to be his equal and therefor it was okay, as long as she deserved it, of course.

So now people still have it in their heads that striking a child is also still an acceptable thing to do. Because somehow the context of the action changes according to age and relation to the person performing said action.

For example:

If an adult were hit another adult with an open hand across the face, not out of self defense or any such reason, this would be considered assault.

However, if an adult were to hit a child, their child, with an open hand across the face, this is considered discipline.

Am I the only one who finds this double standard rather odd if not disturbing? Using corporal punishment doesn't teach anything, it only conditions out of fear and fear makes for a poor teaching tool. You cannot communicate a lesson with a fist. The only message being sent is "if you do this again, I will hit you more". Again, explain how this is a valid lesson?

Yes, you may argue that "well, my parents spanked me and I'm okay" and that's great, good for you. Would you like a medal? It's not an excuse, especially since a lot will grow up to accept this form of behavior as okay and they too will also use corporal punishment as a form of pseudo discipline.

How easy it must be to just hit your child and be done with it. You won't have to teach him/her anything, you won't have to communicate or be involved any more than you need to be. Why would you want to spend time teaching them anything when hitting is so much quicker and to the point. Hitting your child is not a consequence to their actions, it's your reaction to a situation you're not comfortable or capable of dealing with.

Do you know how many parents use the term discipline in order to justify and sometimes even mask child abuse?

Where do you draw the line at what is and what is not assault or abuse?


Also, don't you find it funny how teachers don't need to use corporal punishment in order to teach your kids during class? They seem to learn their lessons just fine through communication and actual interaction between student and teacher. They seem to be quite capable of absorbing information just fine without the fear of being assaulted.

I once was given the excuse that if they didn't hit their kids, they'd probably be out doing drugs, having sex, stealing, beating people up, etc etc and I had to wonder, what will they do once their children turn 18? They'd have spent the last 18 years having taught absolutely nothing. Also, on the subject of when your kids turn 18, since when has it even been acceptable for police to beat anyone they arrest without provocation? The police won't spank your kids for you once they're out on their own, so I fail to see how they've been taught anything of the real world or of real consequences to their actions.

If an adult commits a crime they're arrested and must face consequences according to the crime committed. They're not spanked or beaten, they have many of their rights and freedoms taken away, must face jail or prison time, pay fines, etc.

So it stands to reason that if your child does something wrong, you give them a consequence that is appropriate to their age and whatever wrong they committed. But most importantly, you have to communicate and actually teach them, or else they'll never learn. These are real consequences that if they committed crimes when they're much older, they'd face much of the same punishments, only much harsher.

Don't be a lazy parent. The moment you've struck your child(ren) out of anger you've failed as a parent to protect them from the very thing the law protects you from.

Your kids aren't Pavlov's Dogs, stop treating them like they are.
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thedragonnerd [2022-02-06 21:35:27 +0000 UTC]

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FlipMob [2020-11-30 00:04:37 +0000 UTC]

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Kouraa [2019-08-31 13:27:41 +0000 UTC]

Spanking puts children in line. I was spanked as a kid. I never did stupid shit again.

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BlackJill In reply to Kouraa [2019-09-06 21:01:12 +0000 UTC]

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Kouraa In reply to BlackJill [2019-09-10 20:47:55 +0000 UTC]

I respect your views.

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SonicJoe731 [2018-04-21 16:43:33 +0000 UTC]

i read these description carefully in details.

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MickeeYoofers [2018-03-22 21:55:02 +0000 UTC]

Makes me want spanking banned no matter what.

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Candy-The-Skunk [2017-08-18 03:10:19 +0000 UTC]

This. I'm not having kids, but if I were...

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EnTaroChrist [2017-07-19 03:38:44 +0000 UTC]

But what if your children were bullies at school picking on kids, who don't deserve to be picked on?

There are some bad children out there that DO need to be disciplined, especially for the sake of other children. 

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imaginarymusiclover In reply to EnTaroChrist [2018-01-29 22:22:50 +0000 UTC]

boot camp they go!

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Buniis [2017-06-19 22:45:41 +0000 UTC]

Drives me crazy. You don't hit kids. You just.. don't hit people in general. That teaches us nothing. People learn by being taught right from wrong. If you don't talk to them about what they did and what is a better option, then they won't learn anything. No need to harm them. We're all learning, they're just kids, Jesus Christ.. there's enough research to support this, there is no excuse for physical discipline in this day and age.

My parents used to hit me. All I know is that I hate them for it. I don't remember a single thing I did to provoke it. The things I do remember learning ? Stuff my counselors taught me by sitting me down and talking. School work, researching online, videos, ect. Not one thing from being hit. 

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HxRose [2017-01-23 08:08:52 +0000 UTC]

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thedragonnerd In reply to HxRose [2022-02-06 21:37:24 +0000 UTC]

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EnforcerWolf [2016-08-30 05:58:58 +0000 UTC]

I can't since I don't have any and never will.

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BlossomPanda [2016-04-03 03:46:58 +0000 UTC]

I only support spanking when the child has done something that could seriously injury him/kill him and/or another person.And not even hitting with a belt,only one or two VERY hard slaps.If you spank a child for things like breaking a plate or for not doing his/her homework then I think the parent should work in his/her patience with the child.People who says that 'children who aren't spanked are spoiled brats' are in my opinion VERY close minded.Ok,some kids really need a good old fashioned spanking,but this not always works.Some idiots/assholes have been spanked and they aren't the nicest person on earth.Also there are kids that have NEVER been spanked by their parents...And are they nice kids.''But I was spanked and I'm perfectly fine'',well if you say this you should keep in mind that not ALL kids are the same and not all react the same way.You may have been spanked and learned the lesson but there are kids that spanking traumatizes them.,and no they are not ''pussies'' they just have their ways to learn right from wrong.With the exceptions of injuries and risk of death,I agree with this stamp  .

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Artist-By-Moonlight [2015-09-10 21:27:17 +0000 UTC]

I can't even be around people who think spanking is okay. They may as well tell me that they support people who beat their girlfriends / boyfriends, its just as wrong and violent to me. Kids are people too! and because they aren't fully developed is all the more reason not to instill violence in their brains. You cant argue with the results that came from other countries banning corporal punishment, much less violence and less alcohol and drug abuse. And people wonder why America is so ...Well, violent. Solution of the idiot parents : "SPANK"EM MORE  SO THEY WONT BE SO VIOLENT!!!!" solution of patient and sane parents : "lets not hit our children, instead, teach them that violence is not how you deal with people when they make a mistake, and hitting someone you love also isn't okay or healthy" ...Forever grateful to my parents for being patient and loving.


Thanks for making this!

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disasteroIogy [2015-07-10 23:29:23 +0000 UTC]

Also to add, I guess, to the comment I posted--

When I was little, my father got angry when my sister and I were laughing too loudly. His way of shutting us up was to hit us so hard we had hand prints on our legs for days. My sister was speaking the truth once-- she was correcting him on a math problem on my homework that he was helping me with--, and my father probably would've beaten the shit out of her had I not said something. Guess what; I now have a strong fear of being touched and when I am touched, I tense up and sometimes I have panic attacks. It might not seem that bad, but when your mom wants to hug you, it's traumatic. 

Whatever, though, it's not like any of that matters now.

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disasteroIogy [2015-07-10 23:19:40 +0000 UTC]

Oh, my god, guys, look what I found on Google!


"child a·buse

noun
1. physical maltreatment or sexual molestation of a child."


When you hit a child, or anyone, for that matter, it is known as physical maltreatment. (Maltreatment meaning cruel or violent treatment of a person or animal; mistreatment.) Not discipline, it's not proper punishment, it's motherfucking abuse. Those who are saying it's discipline really need to learn the definitions of things. 

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Buniis In reply to disasteroIogy [2017-06-19 22:47:33 +0000 UTC]

^^^

Sorry to hear about your experiences... parents should teach kids and help them grow, not hit them.

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Shernod9704 In reply to disasteroIogy [2017-01-01 00:22:24 +0000 UTC]

I agree right?

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midnightlunarose [2015-06-23 07:45:32 +0000 UTC]

I love this so much. I'm so annoyed with people who are in favor of spanking go ape shit on people that don't spank their children. I really hate old people that say, "oh when I was a kid I was spanked all the time and, it made me a better person now." Like how does getting beaten exactly make you a better person? Logically, that would scar you for and have mental problems growing up. Spanking is just the easy way out for people who can't learn to control their child Verbally. My mother did way more than spanking. My hair was pulled, I got smacked across the face and, the works. She said that will teach me to behave but, all that did was made me fear her and, I grew up with depression and anxiety.

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EmmalovesEdwardxxx [2015-06-02 21:27:49 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for making this stamp. It's kind of frustrating how people basically call you an idiot, think you're mental, accuse you of spoiling children or creating monsters, make fun of the discipline you would use & demean it IF you don't use corporal punishment.
There ARE other methods of discipline. FACT.
It's possible for a child to grow up right without being hit. FACT.
Don't believe in hitting =/= Believe in spoiling

"But...but...slapping isn't hitting!!!!1111" Actually, it IS a mild form of hitting, whether you want to accept that or not.

"Kids are soooo bad these dayz!!111!" Oh? You've met every single child in the world then? And you've somehow come to the conclusion that they ALL behave this way?
"They're soooo bad these dayz coz they don't get a good "ass whooping"!!!!11111" Well actually, most parents these days still DO hit/slap their kids, so clearly it's not that.
I don't know every child in the world either & I can't say they all act like that or come to conclusions but my guess would be it's a case of not giving clear boundaries, being inconsistent, giving in & not being able to say no and basically not putting the time & effort in to actually be a parent. Just basically letting their TV's & games consoles raise them. Raising a child takes a LOT of hard work & patience if you want to do it properly and if you can't do that then maybe you shouldn't be a parent.

I have also heard people claim that children are better behaved in other countries because they get more beatings. Well, I have heard that children are pretty well behaved, healthy & happy in Denmark and there is a low crime rate when corporal punishment is prohibited in both schools and the home. Apparently a Unicef report ranked Danish children's well-being 3rd among industrialized countries. (I think that was a 2007 report but I saw a more recent one and they still rank very highly in "behaviour & risks" and are still thought to be better off than children of the UK (where I'm from) & children of the USA & Canada).
MOST psychologists will not recommend this sort of discipline and studies have shown that it actually doesn't do them good (I even heard that it can cause brain damage- corporal punishment not full on abuse). Do you want to argue with science?

Opinion: Everyone has their own opinion and not every child is the same, and I think that whilst it scares them in to behaving, it doesn't really TEACH them anything. It doesn't really teach them WHY they shouldn't do something (except that they'll get a beating if they do), nor does it teach them REALISTIC consequences to their actions or problem solving skills.

So yeah, I understand why pro spankers do this but that doesn't I mean to have to believe in it or agree with them. I believe in explaining to children what they did was wrong, why it was wrong, give them realistic consequences to their actions, teach them how they SHOULD have gone about it & how they should solve their problems in their future, how to control their anger, how to express their emotions, etc. That's what I believe in.
I think that corporal punishment teaches a child that they deserve to be hit (including when they make a mistake) and that's it ok to go round hitting people if you believe that they "deserve a good smack". Whether this is a good thing or not is again down to opinion. I think you're supposed to teach them that hitting is bad & is not the best way to solve your problems when you're mad at someone, instead of just thinking "they deserve a good thump". 
I think that children learn through example, so you should set a good example to them. If you hit, yell & swear you're not being a good positive role model. You're not teaching patience or self control. If they're out of control, you don't respond to aggression with more aggression.

Also: People claim that it teaches children respect- I think it only scares them in to "respecting" you- they know & are scared that you will hit them if they are cheeky or whatever. I don't view this as TRUE respect.
When you're little, adults are so big so it's twice as scary when they shout at or hit you and it hurts you more than they think it would because you're only tiny. That's something to take in to account aswell. I don't think that you're supposed to find your parents scary, they're supposed to be the one person (or 2 people?) that you can always run to. When I was little, I just cried, hated them & pretended my toys were comforting me instead of reflecting on what I did wrong.

Like I said, the fear of being hit is supposed to make them behave & set boundaries but what do you do when the fear of being hit begins to wear off? When they get a bit older & being hit isn't really scary anymore, would being hit still "keep them in line"? What do you do if they hit you back? Just hit them even harder? When they get older & if they start hitting back, how hard would you have to hit them to control them & get them to submit to you?

People go on about there being a fine line between so called "discipline" and abuse but where is that line? What you may deem "discipline" others may deem abuse and you deem abuse others may deem "discipline"- it's not all black & white, the line is still a bit vague. Do you consider caning, paddling, hitting with switches, wooden spoons, shoes & slippers abuse or discipline? How long must you do it for for it to be considered discipline & not abuse? How hard must you hit them for it to be considered just "discipline"? How long must the mark last for it to be considered acceptable discipline? If the objects cause bruising, is this abuse or discipline? Everyone has a different opinion on what is "acceptable discipline" and what is "taking it too far" and the line is VAGUE. Take it too far and the damage is not easy to undo.

You should set boundaries ofcourse, but I don't think that hitting is the way to do it.
 

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Mintaka-TK [2015-03-13 20:37:43 +0000 UTC]

I'm going to speak as someone with a neurological disability, and regarding spanking, it can be extremely dangerous for mentally disabled children, especially those who are low-functioning. I mean, what kind of benefit will spanking or simply threatening to use corporal punishment bring to a disabled child? Autistic children won't suddenly learn about human communication or social norms through spanking. Children with Down's Syndrome won't suddenly become normal, either. Children with ADHD/ADD won't become calm or pay attention more. You cannot treat a disabled child the same way as a normal child, and this includes spanking. In fact, you can actually traumatise them for life.

Even simply yelling at disabled kids angers me (depending on the context) - I was watching a show about violent children the other night, and during one of the kids' "treatment", the "professional" started yelling at him (though he was hitting his mom, so in this context, it was probably justified.) Still, it confused the hell out of me, because general guidance is that you don't yell at kids with obvious learning or neurological deficits. Unfortunately, this is something that not all professionals, schools or other adults or kids understand, as I can attest. (Fortunately, I've never been physically abused, but I have received all sorts of verbal abuse in my lifetime.)

Going back on topic, to those who keep say, "I was spanked and it didn't hurt me!", shut the FUCK up. Your experiences don't mean that everyone will turn out okay. Some people have been traumatised because of spanking. Others have development mistrust or hatred of their parents or caretakers. Some people have never been hit in their lives, yet they turned out completely fine. Others have been spanked, yet they turned out to be the drug-taking, thieving, raping and murdering criminals you all despise. And don't say "Oh, all kids these days are horrible!" or "Spare the rod, spoil the child!" either, because each child is different. You can discipline kids in non-violent ways, but it might take much longer than just hitting them. And if you choose to spank them instead of trying to talk or reason with them, then I'm sorry, but I think you're a lazy parent. If you're not going to bother to teach your child from right and wrong by talking to them, then don't bother having kids. I'm sorry, but children are a huge commitment and hard work, and unfortunately, a lot of parents tend to forget that in this day and age. (For a bit of context, the last few sentences were inspired by the horrific excuses for parenting I've seen in my area.)

EDIT: Oh, and on one final note, spanking can actually be considered child abuse, because you're laying a finger on them to cause pain in order to "teach them a lesson." The same thing can be applied to caning, like they used to do in Britain years ago.

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fuckshiru [2015-02-12 21:57:13 +0000 UTC]

Most of the people who're self-righteous about spanking being "the right thing" need another spanking theirself

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ModestAnimeFan [2015-02-12 11:05:59 +0000 UTC]

Spare the rod, SPOIL THE CHILD. 

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Akhnaton-II In reply to ModestAnimeFan [2016-04-30 09:11:49 +0000 UTC]

Not spare the rod, brainwash the child?

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MarDeAdstra [2015-01-11 01:02:22 +0000 UTC]

I can't understand why parents still hitting his/her kids. I can understand that some years ago before of all psychology and modern methods of discipline were widely know, but now when a bast majority of psychologists, teachers and have better forms for teaching that spanking or hitting, the idea still seems kind of retrograded.  When a kid is hit by his teacher is all a scandal, when a husband hits his wife is a total misogynist horror, but when a parent hit a kid is discipline? Makes no sense to me. If people wouldn't do this to his/her boss nor his/her teacher nor even an animal, why you would do that to a kid, teen or baby? Besides spanking is not a guarantee that you kid is going to have a better behavior, morals or grades (trust me, I have seen cases when happens just the opposite).

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WintersWhite [2014-12-09 05:19:25 +0000 UTC]

Personally, if I was a parent, I would never be able to bring myself to hit my child. I'm just so lenient like that, and I get sad when kids get hurt too.  but I respect those who do spank. I mean, there are both good and bad kids for each type of parent. I think it should go to preference honestly.
Personally, I was never spanked but I think I'm alright. I don't do anything bad like stealing or drugs. Also at elementary I loved to help others (and I still do, but peer pressure has gotten the better of me most of the time.). I think what I'd do is act very loving to my child to inspire them to be the same and try to teach morals to them day to day myself. If my child did something bad, I would come up to them, tell them why it's bad, and tell them to clean up after themselves. With my logic, I suppose hitting my child would inspire them to be violent. If I was a parent, I'd want to encourage my child to be a gentle, polite person.
I'm not sure if I completely agree with this stamp though, the "I'll be the better parent" sounds really arrogant. 

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is-kill [2014-11-08 22:48:15 +0000 UTC]

Being spanked as a child just made me into a vicious backtalker. It usually wasn't repetitive though, and it was rare and accompanied by a stern explanation. The spanking itself didn't teach me, but it was combined with something that did. So I learned, but I also became a snarky little bitch.

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WinterMoon95 [2014-10-26 19:36:12 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you 100% 

I was hit and spanked but i'm gonna be realistic, it didn't make me into a better person and unlike some people, I'm not gonna sit here and act like it had an impact on me because It didn't, it just didn't work. what made me a better person live experiences and learning from my mistakes. And I don't condone hitting children nor animals, heck, you shouldn't be hitting anyone in the first place. And to people who say not hitting a child will make a child out of control and disrespectful, it's not true at all, in fact, it's a myth just like "spanking/hitting with love". one of my friends was never hit or spanked and she's a wonderful person, so it's possible. Discipline means to teach, not to hit. And they taught us at school about what's dangerous and what I have to be careful about, and guess what? I listened to them. I stayed out of trouble, I'm not being disrespectful now, and I certainly learned how to make good choices in my life. That's what true discipline is and I'm grateful that school has helped me stay out of big trouble  

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CriAzuDre [2014-09-29 05:24:36 +0000 UTC]

I'm finding myself agreeing with you once again!

I personally was never physically abused, but I certainly was―and still am―verbally abused. I can tell you with a certainty, that this only creates conflicts within the child's psyche..if all you ever do is tell them what they did wrong and not why it is wrong; you're not really teaching them anything, you're just showing them that it's within their best interest not to do it. As you, BlackJill, said: it is the laziest form of pseudo discipline. The majority of children raised like this will probably never come to fully comprehend the reasons behind their punishments, and by extension; why it is wrong(―assuming there is a "valid" reason, and it's not just senseless abuse). They'll only learn to avoid it because―in doing so―they can avoid feeling pain. I know to some people these may seem like the same thing..but it isn't. They sound similar, but how we got there and the end results are astronomically different. If you were spanked as a child, and came out relatively fine―good for you..but the same thing cannot be said for all other children. 

[EDIT]Also, on the topic of training dogs, the best way is through positive reinforcement, not punishment. They don't understand it at all if you yell at them either―and truthfully, you should avoid doing that. It'll only create later complications. Positive reinforcement is vastly superior and yields more results in shaping behavior. It may take longer than if you were to just smacked them upside the head―but the end result is overall better.

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TMNTFAN85 [2014-09-03 00:33:32 +0000 UTC]

god. your kid is gonna be an unruly lil shit and will disrespect you. but whatever, have fun raising a horrible lil shit.

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0K3P1 [2014-09-02 03:09:32 +0000 UTC]

if you say don't spank your child and then say you're gonna be a better parent it makes no sense.
its not called abuse, its called discipline. = w =

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is-kill In reply to 0K3P1 [2014-11-08 22:49:46 +0000 UTC]

Descriptions are magical...

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0K3P1 In reply to is-kill [2014-11-28 02:51:18 +0000 UTC]

you expect me to read that long ass description?

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is-kill In reply to 0K3P1 [2014-11-28 03:30:24 +0000 UTC]

Yes. I do.

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Marril96 [2014-07-27 20:04:08 +0000 UTC]

I agree so, so much! I'm so sick of those morons who hit their kids because they're too lazy to actually spend some time with them and talk. Because like it or not, spanking is child abuse. Any kind of physical discipline is abuse.

Unfortunately, I live in a country where it's still mostly acceptable to hit a child (despite there being laws against it). I do hope things change for the better.

As for those parents who hit their kids: I hope when they grow old and senile and start acting like little children their own kids hit them just like they were hit. That'd be a perfect form of revenge.

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0K3P1 In reply to Marril96 [2014-09-02 03:09:56 +0000 UTC]

spanking is not abuse, moron.

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Marril96 In reply to 0K3P1 [2014-09-02 19:42:29 +0000 UTC]

It's the same as slapping, the only difference being the place you hit. You're a real bastard, you know? I hope you find yourself an abusive spouse one day and live the rest of your days in fear. Fucking idiot!

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0K3P1 In reply to Marril96 [2014-09-03 00:38:35 +0000 UTC]

i'm an idiot? you're the one saying that spanking is abuse, moron. its discipline. when you have kids, they're going to be little assholes because you wont discipline them. fuck face.

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thedragonnerd In reply to 0K3P1 [2022-02-06 21:39:35 +0000 UTC]

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Pocket-fulla-shells [2014-07-16 21:52:08 +0000 UTC]

No matter which way you cut it or phrase it, 'spanking' = punishment by physical pain. To counterpoint, I wasn't spanked once and I'm ok. See, works the other way round as well.

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fuckshiru [2014-05-30 23:33:36 +0000 UTC]

In b4 the ''YOUR A PUSSY FOR BEING AGAINST SPANKING" comments.


I'm neutral about spanking.

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xXBlue-ReaperXx [2014-05-13 21:38:08 +0000 UTC]

I do believe in spanking, since I do agree that a form of discipline is necessary. Sometimes yelling or taking privileges away isn't very effective. However, child abuse on the other hand... 
This is just my point of view.

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AsahiGirl In reply to xXBlue-ReaperXx [2014-10-05 23:02:44 +0000 UTC]

I found you!

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xXBlue-ReaperXx In reply to AsahiGirl [2014-10-05 23:13:18 +0000 UTC]

Gaspu~! YOU FOUND ME :'D

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AsahiGirl In reply to xXBlue-ReaperXx [2014-10-06 15:25:21 +0000 UTC]

Yup! I sure did!

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xXBlue-ReaperXx In reply to AsahiGirl [2014-10-06 16:53:40 +0000 UTC]

 YEA

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AsahiGirl In reply to xXBlue-ReaperXx [2014-10-06 19:33:43 +0000 UTC]

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xXBlue-ReaperXx In reply to AsahiGirl [2014-10-06 22:09:49 +0000 UTC]

HUGGLE

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