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***No longer enabling comments as this stamp is old. Sorry if you wanted to aggressively rant against/for me.
***Quite a few stamps that support prostitution, and so little reasoning for it! My angry Pro-Life Feminist inside begged to be let out, so I made a tactful and to the point case that shows why legalizing prostitution is not the answer.
And before I begin:
-No, I am not demonizing prostitutes.
-If I was, I wouldn't go on and on about how their lifestyle is harming them.
-Instead, this goes over prostitution and it's legalization as a whole, attacking the industry and the harm it gives.
-I am not saying making prostitution illegal will completely eradicate it, only that legalizing it is a horrible option.
-This is only meant to open people's eyes to the truth of the issue and to inspire/challenge readers to start research of their own.
Carry on, my friends!
*EDIT 22 MAY 2013* Hey guys, I'm not making out every prostitute to be a pitiful victim. I know some women out there say they are happy with their role as a prostitute and claim it is not oppressive to them. However, my point here is that legal prostitution negatively affects society as a whole, not just some select individuals. My other point is also that prostitution, legal or not, whether or not some of the sex workers like their job, includes the sale and use of someone else's body as an object for sex. This adds on to the objectification of human beings as a whole and only worsens society's treatment of people. This is more than the individual directly involved: this is about all of society. /end
But it would create a safer work environment!
If you think this, you probably have a very flowery view of what the work environment for a prostitute is like or can be. Gentlemen don't "hire" prostitutes: drunks and desperate, selfish pigs do. It is not uncommon, legal or no, for a woman to get physically hurt when having sex, table top dancing, lap dancing, etc., on the job. After all, the men are paying her to please himself, not the woman:
One young woman student wrote in an issue of Working Girl/Working Boy of the pain experienced by having men put their penis in her vagina. “I would need to artificially lubricate my vagina because it was dry and painful,” she says. “Some men would get aggressive, especially if they were drunk. Somehow I threatened their maleness.” At tabletop dancing venues, a private shower performance entails a dancer having her naked body lathered by a group of men who have consumed alcohol. Pauline Burgess, a Women’s Policy Officer evaluating the working conditions of tabletop dancers, reported that the experience was so disturbing that women were moving into the area of peep shows to prevent personal contact with the men who abused them. [1]
This is the same whether the prostitute is male or female. If you take money from someone to have sex with you, it is very, very likely that they could care less how to treat your body so long as they get their desired pleasures. [4]
Legalization also does nothing to prevent growth in crime. On the Red Light District in Amsterdam, Lodewijk Asscher, a member of the Socialist Party, said:
"I was very worried about what had been happening in the old city. When I came into office, six years after legalisation, the signs were not good," Asscher told me. "There is lots of crime in this part of the city." [5]
Diseases could be regulated!
I'm sorry to break it to you people, but if you have sex with multiple partners, your chances for getting an STD goes up. The more partners you have, birth control or no, condoms or no, "regulated" or not: you will have an increased chance of getting an STD, many of them costly or even deadly. As Jeffrey J. Barrows, D.O. explains:
"Even if a prostitute is being tested every week for HIV, she will test negative for at least the first 4-6 weeks and possibly the first 12 weeks after being infected.... This means that while the test is becoming positive and the results are becoming known, that prostitute may expose up to 630 clients to HIV...It also assumes that the prostitute will quit working as soon as he or she finds out the test is HIV positive, which is highly unlikely." [2]
This is basic stuff you learn in health class and sex ed: the more sexual partners you have, the higher chance you have of getting an STD. There are no short cuts or loop holes out of this.
It will get prostitutes off the streets!
Actually, this is unlikely. Even though there could be "legal" brothels, many prostitutes, especially those who are homeless or drug addicted, will continue staying on the street. There is also the fact that some may want to avoid being "exploited" by the big businessmen who run these brothels, so they go back to or stay on the streets [1].
People also make this claim, thinking that "off the street = safe", when that is not the case. Not only do some or many choose to stay on the street anyway, but working in a brothel still exposes them to sexual/physical abuse as I explained earlier and will show again later.
It's empowering for the prostitutes because they can choose their careers/customers/wages/etc!
Legal or not, prostitutes are still under the jurisdiction of their bosses: whether it's a pimp or a "businessman". In cases where prostitution is legal, it is not uncommon for a prostitute to give more than half her wages to the guy in charge of a brothel because of extreme business competition. Prostitutes may also find themselves having to pay more and more for rent if a landlord is aware of their "career", knowing that the person most likely makes a ridiculous amount of cash (that is, if her boss doesn't take most of it).
In Amsterdam, where the sex industry is legal, one prostitute shares the power a pimp has over her and others:
"I was told I needed someone to protect me when I started working here five years ago," Ingrid, a 24-year-old Slovakian prostitute, tells me, having agreed to speak to me because at 10am it is still a quiet time for her, when customers sleep off their hangovers. "But all that means is that I pay a pimp to stop me being beaten up, and that is on top of my rent. I can barely make a living." [5]
Also consider the fact that, no matter how you look at it, a prostitute has no control over how his/her customer treats his/her body. Again, it's about pleasing the customer and exploiting his/her body for their sake, not the prostitute's sake. The only person being empowered is the pimp/brothel owner, not the prostitute.
It's unfair for prostitutes to be criminalized!
It is. This is especially so for those who were tricked into the sex trade or had little to no choice in ending up in prostitution. Much revision is needed to meet their needs and punish the real aggressors. In fact, there are some organizations out there (I will list them at the end) today who reach out to victims and are working with the justice system to fix laws that punish victims.
However, legalizing the thing that is harming them in the first place is not going to solve anything. In fact, it is shown to only make things worse, if not remain the same as before. Just read the statistics and results of areas that legalized it and see for yourself.
What makes prostitution so different from porn? One is illegal, the other isn't! That's unfair!
Both are exploitative and harmful, and the author of this artist description wishes both to be done away with. However, porn is another discussion for another day, and one I will link to once I upload a deviation on that particular subject.
A woman/man should be able to choose whether or not to be prostituted!
Firstly, they do have a "choice", whether it's legal or not.
Secondly, after questioning why you think degrading one's body and selling it to a stranger that would most likely harm you is a viable choice...actually, I made my point.
And you know what the point is? People are so focused on so-called "choice" that they miss the bigger picture: not just for the safety of the prostitutes, but for those who could be affected. Like it or not, child sex trafficking and other illegal activities will either continue like normal or even grow in areas with legalized prostitution [3], and it gives the men and women of that society another reason to disrespect and objectify other human beings. STDs will threaten to spread, it opens the door to heartbreak and violence, etc.
Also keep in mind that most people who "chose" prostitution were more than likely in a desperate situation; in fact, teenage and child runaways tend to go to the sex trade and prostitution, and people in extreme poverty feel they have no other road to turn on besides the sex industry. Maybe instead of opening the door for a faux choice, we get down to the problem that makes people choose it in the first place.
Prostitution is not a "career": it's a degradation of human dignity
Prostitution is not a "choice": it's a desperate resort and the price is the individual's body.
Prostitution is not "empowering": it's the very thing that objectifies human beings.
In the end, prostitution is nothing but allowing a human being to sell his/her body as property, and making it vulnerable to a complete stranger who really couldn't care about that person. After all, all they see is a body to pleasure themselves with, not a human being to respect.
Learn yo human rights before you drag them through the sewage and waste that is the definition of prostitution. You can educate yourself with the sources I have listed below as a start.
Are you or someone you know a victim of sex trade, or a prostitute who is in need for help? Contact the following organizations:
Polaris Project www.polarisproject.org/
End Human Trafficking Resources to Getting Help www.endhumantrafficking.org/#!…
EPACT Reporting Resource Page for Child Trafficking ecpatusa.org/take-action/make-…
If there are any other groups I can list here, please let me know!
Sources
[1] LEGALISING PROSTITUTION IS NOT THE ANSWER: THE EXAMPLE OF VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA www.catwinternational.org/cont…
[2] Top Ten Pros and Cons - Prostitution prostitution.procon.org/view.r…
[3] Legalized Prostitution significantly increases human sex trafficking: study www.lifesitenews.com/news/lega…
[4] Does Legalizing Prostitution Protect Women and Girls? www.equalitynow.org/sites/defa…
[5] Legalized Prostitution in Amsterdam "has never worked" says survivor: prostitutionresearch.com/2012/…
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After 6 months, I still stand by my opinion that prostitution should be decriminalized, yet regulated. (In fact, I won't support decriminalization if it isn't adequately regulated.) However, I've also thought about why clients might seek out prostitutes, and looking back at how soldiers often visited brothels to give them a chance to relax, and to raise troop morale, especially when they have one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet (that, and how they might be away from their loved ones for too long a time), I can kind of see why demand for prostitution is so hard to diminish, even when they're well-aware of the risks of contracting STDs. (Case in point, at the end of World War 2, with Japan occupied by Allied soldiers, in order to protect Japanese civilians from being subjected to rape by the occupying soldiers, the Japanese government opened up brothels and hired sex workers to help cater towards their occupiers' needs.)
With that in mind, I have a few ideas on HOW it should be regulated:
- Require that clients subscribe to a brothel in order to have access to sex with a sex worker: This service might have a high entry fee, but would most likely require clients to pay money per month to keep the subscription active. However, if the service allowed clients to frequently have sex with a sex worker without having to pay for it (other than the entry fee and the monthly subscription), then it would encourage clients to abide by the brothel's terms of service, which would be designed to minimize risk to sex workers, and to punish unruly clients by banning them from the brothel (in addition to legal prosecution). Moreover, the long-term costs to clients may even be lower than with illegal prostitution, and soldiers (and possibly some other kinds of workers that also work in stressful environments and are likewise far away from home) could be given a (hefty) discount (if membership isn't exclusive to them) so that more unscrupulous people, such as petty criminals and thugs, would have a more difficult time subscribing.
- Provide the brothels with security guards and bouncers, along with some security cameras (which could double as film cameras for recording and posting the videos online) in order to deal with said troublemakers.
- Require all legally-sanctioned brothels (both state-controlled and private) to record who is subscribed to their services, and to perform background and medical checks on their subscribers: This is to help brothels keep track of their clients, and to reduce harm to their sex workers. This could also help brothels maintain a policy of exclusiveness, in which clients are only allowed to subscribe to one brothel at a time, which could help limit the spread of STDs among sex workers.
- Limit each client to no more than 1 or 2 sex workers: This would help ensure that STDs aren't easily spread from one sex worker to another, even within the same brothel.
- Provide clients that have long-lasting STDs, such as HIV, with sex workers that also have these STDs, and provide clients that lack STDs with sex workers that also lack STDs: This is a policy that many professional porn stars use, but it works by limiting the spread of STDs while still allowing them to do their jobs. However, there's no guarantee that sex workers would be readily available for the job, as some sex workers might be asked to cater to more clients than usual, depending on the availability of certain sex workers with certain STDs, or a lack thereof.
- Limit newer clients to safe-sex practices that are designed to reduce the chances of STDs passing onto the sex worker (or vice-versa): Consensual sex requires trust between those partaking in the act. When that trust isn't present, that isn't consensual sex, but is instead rape. Since state-sanctioned brothels would be required to provide protection for their employees, breaking one of their employee's trust would constitute breaking the brothel's trust, and may get the client banned from the brothel. On the other hand, recurring clients with designated sex workers could even be rewarded with more options to enjoy sex, possibly including bareback sex (which some clients supposedly find to be a selling-point when looking for ideal sex workers). Of course, even if they would offer bareback sex to their more loyal, more trustworthy clients, sex workers would be strongly encouraged to use birth control methods, such as placing IUDs inside their wombs, to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.
- Penalize clients for transmitting STDs to a sex worker: Because sex workers tend to serve more than 1 client at a time, to receive an STD is not only distressing to the sex worker, but for any-all clients that are assigned that sex worker. Offending clients may even be banned from the brothel.
- Require legally-sanctioned brothels to provide training on STDs, birth control, and possibly some self-defense techniques, to prospective employees: Sex is risky business, especially as a career, so it's important that sex workers learn how to minimize these risks, both to themselves (especially to themselves) and to their clients (unless said clients are unruly).
- Require legally-sanctioned brothels to defer hiring people who lack experience in the sex trade: This is so that those that are considering the job would have more time to reconsider pursuing such a career. This could also give welfare systems more time to help out people who are impoverished and desperate enough to be willing to sell their bodies towards the sex trade for enough money to sustain themselves.
- Require legally-sanctioned brothels to provide support to employees who formerly worked as illegally-sanctioned sex workers: Again, many of those who enter into the sex trade tend to do so out of desperation, and may very well prefer to work in a different, more respectable job after entering into the sex trade. These people may also need help breaking any drug addictions they might have.
By the way, have you heard of a brothel called Big Sister? Clients are required to pay a monthly subscription, and they record videos of sex between their clients and sex workers, and post it online: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEq0u3…
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I don't think the problem is prostitution itself but what creates it in the first place, which is men's lust. People tend to point their fingers at the prostitutes, but if there was no demand for it, it wouldn't even happen. So I think this stamp should focus on those sorriest excuses for men who would purchase sex to fulfill their own worldly, hedonistic desires. It doesn't matter whether we legalize or illegalize it because so long as there are men who would buy sex, it will never disappear. I suggest you focus on the actual disease, not the symptom.
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ugh. so we allow prostitution in germany. and I seriously never had a problem with it, nor heard of something through media or so.
So I basically don't get the point.
Why not take money for doing, what you like to do?
And since when is prostitution illegal in.. amarica? I've heard so much about amarican prostitutes + their problems then about it here.
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Although I agree with your points, I still don't personally believe that the outright criminalization of prostitution would be the best course of action. In fact, I'm still supportive of legalizing prostitution, but ONLY if it's regulated enough to protect the well-being of prostitutes, especially from abuse or STDs. Criminalizing prostitution means that it's deregulated, which in turn means that the bosses of prostitutes could choose to degrade them as much as they'd like, thus making, in my eyes, the criminalization of prostitution only slightly better (if not worse) than if prostitution was legal AND unregulated. Anyone remember how, when the United States made alcohol illegal during the 1920s and 1930s, crime rates soared out of control when the sale of alcohol became lucrative enough that many people were willing to break the law? (I believe that the same is happening with the ongoing drug war in Mexico.)
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Criminalizing it doesn't make the situation any better though. I mean, it's illegal in China, Russia and many other places, but sex trafficking is still practiced in said countries, isn't it? The matter of prostitution is a lot more complex than you think.
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I never said it should be made illegal, only that making it legal does no better.
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Prostitution theoretically won't exist if there is no demand for it from the pathetic excuses for "men" who seek to purchase sex to have their lustful desires fulfilled. 
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I think that if you illegalize it, it would make the situation even worse. It is horrible how it is now, but making it illegal wouldn´t make anything better. Desperate women would still prostitute themselves , just now away from police control and protection from the law. I mean it doesn´t stop happening just because you make it illegal
If you could end the need for prostitution by, for example giving women the chance to take a different job or making buying for sex as unthinkable as cannibalism, maybe illegalizing would make it better, but for that you would need to change peoples mindsets, and that is really hard.
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I honestly think this is one of the most awesome stamps I've seen. You really laid out your argument while providing some very helpful and insightful information. I really respect you for doing this, and even more so for allowing comments. I tip my hat to you, and, if you don't mind, I may spread this around to a few people I know.
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Not to mention that once you legalise prostitution it'll be giving the people who have been forced into sexual slavery no way out at all.
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Legal or not, It'll still dangerous. The client can use weapons to possibly rape or kill the prostitute, So I don't know why it should be legalized. We already have enough sexual freedom, why need more?
Just like SeraceChemistry said, I have no respect for pimps, or high class prostitutes.
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Yeah, it's dangerous, but I wasn't saying that it wasn't, or that making it legal will make things better (in fact, heavily regulating a safe brothel will only benefit those that can afford high class prostitutes, since it costs money to do that, and it will do little to help women on the streets).
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The thing people fail to understand is the fact that prostitution can be extremely dangerous.
A woman is willing to throw herself out there to possibly contract an STD or get pregnant from some guy she doesn't even know. Even on birth control can fail. This man could even have a knife or some other weapon within his reach to kill this woman, all because she wasn't being smart about the dangers of being vulnerable and allowing random men to have intercourse with her.
I have absolutely NO respect for pimps and prostitutes.
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No respect for pimps I can understand; but villifying prostitutes hurts the cause. Much of the time, these women came from bad backgrounds and were not educated about better choices. Although high class prostitutes, such as the women in Nevada brothel ranches, more than likely made their choices, women who sell their bodies behind the scenes on the streets are likely more victim than villain.
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After reading this, this made me think, So people think it should be acceptable for a girl to sell herself on the streets because all people are about nowadays is sex? So it's okay for a girl to be a dense jackass and say "It's my Body" just so she can sell herself on the streets to "Gentlemen" who see this girl as a sex object rather than a strong, courageous young woman? But hey, it's her body, I'll just sit back and laugh at her once something bad happens to her or people don't like her anymore. Porn should be illegal too, because I fail to see how prostitution is illegal but porn isn't. and also, Should sex be free? Not paid for, but from a non-diseased woman who a man loves and cares for with all his heart. Plus as you stated, people can become a prostitute, legal or not. That's they're choice If they want to be arrested.
As a young femenist, I am not trying to take a way a woman's sexual freedom, I want what's best for themselves and their dignity & do people care more about sexual freedom than a persons dignity, self-respect and image?
People have all of the sexual freedom they need anyway, why more? Because they see a woman as a vagina rather than a beautiful woman who should receive a better life? Who should be educated and taken of of the streets? Who could help other people, not in a sexual way, but to help them by aiding them, caring for them, and protecting them?
It's sad that people want prostitution legalized, because they care more about sex than what's best for people.
It makes me think why was I even born into a world of sadness and violence, yet people want more sadness and violence.
People don't want bad things to end, they want it to continue because of their pleasure.
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"So people think it should be acceptable for a girl to sell herself on the streets because all people are about nowadays is sex?"
1. No, people think that it should be acceptable for a girl to sell herself in the comfort of her own home or in a nice clean establishment that gets regular visitors from the health inspector because she is a person who have rights and doesn't deserve to be sent to jail because some asshole raped her while she was working.
2. What the fuck do you mean "nowadays"? All we have EVER been about, since the inception of reproduction itself, is sex. Sex is a biological imperative as ingrained in our DNA as eating and sleeping. It has always been an obsession, and will always be an obsession, and it will always be a commodity. Why do you think they call it "the world's oldest profession"? Even animals will engage in prostitution, trading sex for food and protection. Prostitution is so ubiquitous, so innate in our very natures, that it only makes sense to quit making mountains out of molehills and just let it happen unobstructed, giving the workers as many rights and protections as we would give any other legally-employed person.
"So it's okay for a girl to be a dense jackass and say "It's my Body" just so she can sell herself on the streets to "Gentlemen" who see this girl as a sex object rather than a strong, courageous young woman?"
It takes a strong, courageous young woman to say "it's my body". The "gentlemen" are probably going to see her as a sex object either way, but if SHE'S in control of who she sleeps with (as opposed to, say, a pimp who keeps her compliant by getting her hooked on heroin), then it's less likely they'll see her as a sex object, but more of an equal human being capable of making her own decisions.
"But hey, it's her body, I'll just sit back and laugh at her once something bad happens to her or people don't like her anymore."
That sounds an awful lot like victim blaming, which prostitutes have to deal with anyway. It's just that if it were legalized they wouldn't have to be wearing handcuffs while they hear it. Also, fuck you.
"Porn should be illegal too, because I fail to see how prostitution is illegal but porn isn't."
Porn WAS illegal at one point. About the only thing that did was give organized crime syndicates the opportunity to make a profit that honest citizens wouldn't see one red cent of. Oh, it also lead to a lot of sex trafficking, abuse of the girls, rape, and the typical gang violence you expect when something adult human beings want is prohibited from them as if they were children. Pretty much the same shit that's happening with prostitution being illegal.
"Should sex be free? Not paid for, but from a non-diseased woman who a man loves and cares for with all his heart."
Oh you're SUCH a romantic! News flash, sister: Sex is sex. Sometimes it is an aspect of love, sometimes an aspect of friendship, sometimes it is a weapon, sometimes it is a commodity, and sometimes it's something to do when there's nothing good on Netflix. People, by and large, aren't going to wait until they're "in twu wuv" to fuck. They just aren't. As I said, sex is an overwhelming biological imperative that encompasses and guides everything we do. You eat and sleep so that you will have the energy to hump, you avoid getting killed so that you will survive long enough to hump, you raise your children so that they will grow up and go on to hump, you create art and culture and society so that the process of humping becomes much easier. You try to force people to wait until they're "in love" to fuck, they're either going to ignore you or the definition of "love" is going to loosen up faster than...well, let's not be vulgar, now.
And why should it just be free? Because it's somebody's body? Does that mean that dancers shouldn't get paid? Does that mean that singers can't make money? What about people who use their bodies in grueling physical labor to build houses? Should they just...consider it a giveaway? Why should sex exclusively be free? (Not like it is anyway: Dating, dinner, movies, jewelry, marriage... I'm paying for that booty either way. Prostitution just cuts out the middleman.)
"That's they're choice If they want to be arrested."
That's not a choice, you disingenuous little bitch. That's an ultimatum. A false dichotomy. That's as wrong as saying "you can either worship me or burn in Hell" or "you can either give me all your money or I will shoot you". Neither of those is a choice, much like "Fuck by the standards that I approve of or go to prison" is a choice.
"As a young femenist, I am not trying to take a way a woman's sexual freedom, I want what's best for themselves and their dignity & do people care more about sexual freedom than a persons dignity, self-respect and image?"
1. I am not a feminist, but I agree with a few feminist views (particularly third-wave, sex-positive feminism), and the fact that you call yourself a feminist after stating that you would LAUGH at a woman who got raped makes me sick to my stomach. The fact that you would do that at all seriously makes me wish you had wound up a stain in your daddy's mattress rather than being born. If we were face-to-face, I would have already beaten the dogshit out of you for being so reprehensible.
2. You ARE trying to take away their sexual freedom, though. If you are in favor of restricting or punishing ANY sexual choice a woman makes with informed consent, be it bondage or lesbianism or earning hundreds of dollars a night by sleeping with men that SHE chooses to sleep with, then you are trying to take away women's sexual freedom.
3. You want what's best for women? You want them to have their dignity and self-respect? Then give them the fucking right to control their own bodies as they see fit! Don't give that right to the state, or the church, or some sleazy misogynistic pimp looking to turn her into a glorified cum-doll that will give him 90% of her earnings just for a warm place to sleep at night. Give the right to HER!
"People have all of the sexual freedom they need anyway, why more?"
No we don't. You know how much sexual freedom we need? ALL OF IT! Until each and every individual adult human being on this planet is the owner of themselves and is free to conduct their bodies how they wish with as many other consenting partners as they wish, it will NEVER be what we nee, and we will ALWAYS need more.
"Because they see a woman as a vagina rather than a beautiful woman who should receive a better life?"
That woman isn't going to have a better life if you make her live according to YOUR standards. She's going to be stuffed in a box, forever looking for a niche that isn't there because you stole it from her. And why? Because you think you know what's best for her. Because you're an authoritarian little twat who believes that people shouldn't be allowed to choose. You're even worse than the men who see her as just a vagina. At least she will be getting some sort of payment out of THOSE pigs. You, though? You don't want to give her anything. You don't see her as a woman, or a human, or even a vaginal life-support system. You see her as a reflection of yourself, and when she doesn't look how you think you look, you seek to destroy what she is and rebuild her into a reflection that you find acceptable. That's arrogant, narcissistic, and childish in the worst way.
"Who should be educated and taken of of the streets?"
...And here is where the undercurrent of classism (and possibly racism) comes bubbling to the surface like some infectious fluid. You assume that just because she trades sex for money, that must mean she's "on the street" or "uneducated". It never occurs to you that maybe a woman could LIKE sex, could think sex is FUN and EASY, and decide that it would be a great way to make money. No, she has to be a homeless and destitute little fool walking the street corner, probably drug-addicted and straight out of high school (probably black, too, or at least non-white) with a history of sexual abuse. Not to mention the fact that those deplorable conditions typically come from prostitution being ILLEGAL, rather than it simply being inherently "bad" in some nebulously-defined way. Shit, I haven't seen this much pseudo-patriarchal doublethink in a fucking Reddit post.
"Who could help other people, not in a sexual way, but to help them by aiding them, caring for them, and protecting them?"
Not every woman can be Mother-fucking-Theresa, okay? Some ladies are gonna flip burgers, some ladies are gonna clean toilets, and some ladies are gonna suck a dick for a fat wad of cash. NONE of them should be looked down on or persecuted for it.
Not to mention, all the times people pay prostitutes to cuddle with them or spend time. They're being paid to help, to aid, to care, and so what if it's in a sexual way? So. Fucking. What? Is it really any different than any other service? Any other job?
"It's sad that people want prostitution legalized, because they care more about sex than what's best for people."
Actually, if I cared more about sex than what's "best for people", I'd probably just find an illegal hooker and fuck her without a condom, and she has to accept my corpulent, greasy body lumbering over her and my small dick shooting baby gravy right into her womb (and then scrape it out with a coathanger later) with smiles and praise, otherwise daddy doesn't give her any candy, or smacks her around, or burns her with a lit cigarette, and she has no recourse but to accept me or accept the torture, because to seek help would be to go to prison and face even worse violence and humiliation than she endured before.
No, I want prostitution legalized because I care about the prostitutes. I care about the women (and men) who get into that line of work for one reason or another. I want to see them safe, I want to see them free, and I want to see them making their own choices.
Mostly, though, I care about the one goddamned right that you are entitled to in this whole world, the one basic, fundamental right that you deserve simply because you exist: The right to control your own flesh, rather than being forced to watch as others try to control it for you.
"People don't want bad things to end, they want it to continue because of their pleasure."
Sex ISN'T a bad thing.
Safety ISN'T a bad thing.
Consent ISN'T a bad thing.
Autonomy ISN'T a bad thing.
Free will ISN'T a bad thing.
Doing a job that makes you feel good ISN'T A BAD THING!
You know what IS a bad thing?
Rape.
Exploitation.
Abuse.
Incarceration.
Sex trafficking.
Child prostitution.
Not being able to make your John wear a condom.
Oppression.
Denying somebody the right to do whatever they wish with the flesh that they have to live in, flesh that does not rightfully belong to you.
Those are all VERY BAD things.
And do you know why they still exist?
Because people like you are more concerned with how the situation makes YOU feel, never ONCE considering the feelings of the person you're trying to "save".
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The fact that you would do that at all seriously makes me wish you had wound up a stain in your daddy's mattress rather than being born-
And I wish the same had happened to you you fucking worthless dipshit..
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Wow....just wow.. You realize that this girl was a 13 year old who didn't know much about this right?
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"Oh shut the fuck up you one eyed, piece of horseshit, fatass cocksucking worthless waste of human breath. Its people like you that ruin this planet, do us all a favor and end your sad and pathetic life. Whores are nothing but worthless shits with loose vaginas and I ope they all die. Go fuck yourself you shitty scumbag, i wish your mom would've aborted you or your dad pulled out. I'd kick your fatass if I ever saw you. Shitface, please die. "
Yeah, her age doesn't seem to matter.
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How about you go fuck yourself in the asss you pretentious stupid piece of shit asshole. Kill yourself..
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What a very rational and well-reasoned response.
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Oh shut the fuck up you one eyed, piece of horseshit, fatass cocksucking worthless waste of human breath. Its people like you that ruin this planet, do us all a favor and end your sad and pathetic life. Whores are nothing but worthless shits with loose vaginas and I ope they all die. Go fuck yourself you shitty scumbag, i wish your mom would've aborted you or your dad pulled out. I'd kick your fatass if I ever saw you. Shitface, please die.
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This is what I get for arguing with children, I suppose...
When you calm down, would you like to continue this discussion? I really don't feel comfortable discussing prostitution (or really any sort of social issue involving sex) with a 13-year-old girl, but if you want to bring your opinions to a public forum then I guess there's no helping it: You're ignorant, and wrong. All of your arguments are based purely on emotion and misinformation, you resort to slut-shaming which is both petty and misogynistic, and you should really educate yourself about this topic before you get so passionate about it.
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Just because someone doesn't agree with prostitution being legal doesn't mean they're ignorant. I can understand she's ignorant for saying all of that crap, but still. She only has one good point and that is that you have enough sexual freedom. You can sleep with whoever you want whenever you want. Some women would get hanged in other countries for that. So be grateful that you can even do that -.- this is the problem hat I have with first world feminism.
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Again, I don't think we have enough sexual freedom. To say we have "enough" implies that there is a limit to bodily autonomy, that there is a point where the government CAN in fact tell you how to conduct your own flesh, and that shit just doesn't fly with me.
Comparing us to third-world countries is a fallacy. You might as well be saying "Well why are you so concerned with police brutality here? In some parts of the world, cops have the power to kill entire families in broad daylight with zero repercussions."
Yeah, that's really bad, but it doesn't change the fact that a man was beaten to within an inch of his life for no reason and the cops who did it only got two weeks' paid suspension. Just like women being hanged for sleeping with whoever they want doesn't change the fact that women are being imprisoned right here, in our free market capitalist democracy, for the unfair crime of getting paid to do something most people give away for free.
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I don't think it's very Christ-like or kind to laugh at a women who gets hurt from her mistake. Jesus didn't laugh off the Samaritan woman, or laugh at the adulteress: he pointed out their sins, but only so they could realize that they needed healing and so that they could start their road to recovery. Prostitutes, like any other human on this planet, need our compassion and patience, not our arrogance and "I-told-you-so" attitude.
Sorry, but I had to point that out when you said you would laugh at a woman who would get hurt from the sex trade. That is not something to laugh at but to act upon. I do not know if you are Christian are not, but regardless of religion we need to give people our help, otherwise the evils of the world will worsen. It's great that you are a feminist against the sex trades of all kinds, but using anger and hate to fuel your drive to fight against it won't help the women who have been hurt or help stop the industries that take advantage of them.
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You're right, It slipped out in anger.
So sorry for that comment :/
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It's okay. 
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Actually, it would regulate chances of stds due to the fact that prostitutes would be using protection, and would have to get monthly check ups.
Not to mention that the law against prostitution makes no sense. I mean, you can film sex for money, but god forbid, if you pay someone to have sex with you in the privacy of your own room!
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Even with monthly check ups, a prostitute can carry the disease undetected until it is detectable, spreading it to hundreds of customers and indirectly to other people; and even with protection, such as condoms, they are not 100% reliable. They can break or be faulty, a customer may force himself on a prostitute without a condom, etc.
I go over this in the stamp description, so please refer to the sources I link to in the end.
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You forget that if prostitution became legal, they'd have no choice but to use protection (I.E. condoms, which is 100% effective in protecting against STI and HIV) and have the check ups. Not to mention that if their doctor tells them that they have an STD, the prostitute won't be able to work, thereby, defeating the purpose of your argument.
Your logic is very flawed and against woman's sexual freedom. Denying sexual freedom is anti-feminist.
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I am pretty sure that if it is legalized that you won't see hundreds of whores on the street. In NSW Australia it is legal and I have not seen 1 whore yet, they have their own hang outs. If she is raped, it is still not her fault, I hope you are not a victim blamers. Let me ask you this, why is is horrible for a women to be a slut, but okay for a man to be a jigglo and rape women?
That is why they use condoms, dumbass.
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Their risk.
They can do whatever they want with their body, and I disagree with slut shaming, but I see your point. You don't have to love the sluts on the street, and you have every right to be offended. But to bully them is bad, keep opinions to yourself.
If it is public, it is everyones business.
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I dot think it should be legalized but hey, Like you said, it's their body.....
...and I'll just sit back and laugh if something bad happens to them....
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I would never choose such a job, but like you said, if you are gonna be a whore (I MEAN THAT IN A NICE WAY) why not be paid for it?
Their risk.
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Point 1) I wouldn't be able to call myself a good feminist if I allowed a woman to choose to risk horrible things for the sake of a so-called "choice". I feel obligated to step in and inform her about other choices that would be more beneficial to her.
Point 2) Decreases rape? You obviously have not read into the sources and researches I listed. Rape is also about POWER and VIOLENCE, not sexual gratification. Not to mention he could hurt the girl he "hires" if he wants to blow off that violent steam. Oh, and I never realized a woman could be nothing more than a sex object for a man to "blow off steam" on. Nice to know.
Point 3) I'm degrading women for educating people about the dangers and risks of prostitution? How horrible of me.
Point 4) "I don't care if it is making men jiggalos" Wow, how pro-woman of you...
Point 5) If it affects society and hurts my fellow human beings (including prostitutes, their customers, and others in their society), then it is very much my damn business. It's called wanting to help others; you should look that up.
It's obvious you blind yourself with "FREE CHOICE!!!" and care little for the safety and well-being of others. Yeah, it's "their choice", but not all choices are good; some can even be dangerous, harmful, etc. Would you let your friend "choose" to use dangerous drugs like cocaine, or allow a loved family member to take up a life of crime? Then why sit by as the rest of society does the same, when these dangerous activities can include prostitution? That's when others and myself step up to educate people on the matter so they can make safer, more wholesome choices and lead better lives. Because we care. I'm pro-education, not pro-censorship.
Yeah, in the end, they "choose" what they want to do. But what's the worth of a choice when it involves lowering your body to an object, and increasing risks to others in your area? Please get off your "free choice" high horse and learn about the reality of making both good and bad choices.
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I still think of she wants to be an object, she can, just because you wouldn't pick this choice or like it. I don't like it, but I am not giving the attitude of "I WANTS IT ILLIGAL COS I WOULD HATE TO HAV THE JOB". Yes, I think it is a bad choice, but who am I to say what they can't and can do?
Okay, you are not degrading women, but I fail to see how one woman, making her own choice on how to use her body, is degrading millions in women around the world. She is degrading herself, not women.
Yea, it kinda doesn't decrease rape, but he could roleplay rape? And if she is hurt during it it is his fault, not hers. If you think it is her fault, that is just as bad as victim blaming.
Not all women are going to be perfect. Some will love sex, some love money and sex, some wanna be virgins, some are lesbian. I accept that no woman is perfect. I do not care if she is objectifying herself, she is only human.
I disagree with guys seeing us as objects, but is some of us do not mind it and want to be objects, I don't care.
I wanna help others too, but I suggest you maybe suggest not doing it instead of banning it altogether. What about vegans who want meat banned to protect animals as well as humans from obesity? Suggesting it is fine, and maybe when the prostitution population goes down maybe then it should be banned.
"would you let your friends use drugs or a loved family member take up crime?"
Drugs: if they are not hurting anyone else whilst in durgs, it is okay. I would suggest them to get off, but in the end, it is their body.
Crime: crime hurts others. Prostitution doesn't. There is a diffrence between hurting others and hurting yourself.
If they are hurting themselves, it is their fault. But I will still support and help them. Some like this job you know.
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Well to me porn involving sex and prostitution should be illegal. The thing is unlike things such as dirty dancing, and artistic nudity, or strip clubs, pole dancing, they can easily be regulated to protect the men and woman and are not as degrading. But the reason you can regulate these is you can ensure that during the course of their job the workers and models can be under a watchful and protective eye. Also there is very little damage you can do to a woman just by looking unless your superman with heat vision.
However there is no possible way the government can regulate the act of getting paid to have sex unless you have a guard in the bedroom watching you and your customer have sex. Another thing you mentioned about HIV the same concept applies to the prostitute. Yah condoms can be used to protect you but their meant to be used only for the average sex life not for fucking 3 times a day.
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Prostitution is going to happen either way. It isn't called the "world's oldest profession" for nothing. If a woman (or man) of the night DID get hurt by a John while on the job, wouldn't you consider it better if they could call the police or file a lawsuit without having to fear legal punishment for choosing to sell something everyone gives away for free?
Wouldn't it be nicer if they could form unions so that they don't have to deal with pimps ruthlessly exploiting them?
If they could have medical insurance plans to take care of whatever STD's they might get if they don't use proper protection?
What about a retirement plan that ensures they live comfortably if (God forbid) they ever do happen to contract HIV or get old or simply don't want to do that type of work anymore?
Wouldn't it be cool if a prostitute had the same rights as any other worker?
What if they could CHOOSE who they slept with and what they did, and didn't get hit with a belt buckle for it?
Wouldn't it be awesome to be able to TAX them, thus stimulating the country's economy and resulting in a better life overall?
The 1920's have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that prohibition simply DOES. NOT. WORK. If you restrict access to something that a lot of people want to do (and I think we can both agree that sex is something that a lot of people REALLY want to do), that doesn't take away their want or make them stop doing it. It just opens the door for a black market, which leads to crime and misery.
Outlawing alcohol is what leads to Al Capone and moonshine that makes you go blind.
Outlawing drugs is what leads to Pablo Escobar and all these kids you see killing each other in the ghetto over smack-selling territory. (Not to mention prison overpopulation and the horrific transformation of non-violent offenders arrested on a pot possession charge into remorseless killers.)
Outlawing prostitutes leads to sex trafficking, rape, abuse, and an increase in sexually-transmitted diseases.
I'd much rather people have complete autonomy, keep their liberties while still remaining as safe and protected as possible, rather than forcing them to retreat to the dark underbelly of humanity to feed their vices, while at the same time strengthening the REAL bad people who saw an untapped market and decided to open up shop, without even having to answer to a health inspector.
Also, condoms can be used for fucking three times a day: Three condoms a day. One condom for each session of fucking. That's how they're SUPPOSED to be used.
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Also, can you clarify what you mean by "topless is not a right"? There are cultures, such as the !Kung people of the Kalahari or Yanomami tribes of the Amazon, where women traditionally do not wear a lot of clothing. So do you believe that a woman has a right to walk about in pants, barefaced, with her hair uncovered--something which is generally taken for granted even in the Bible Belt? Most clerics in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia don't, for precisely the same reasons you may be opposed to letting a woman go topless--that it's "indecent," it's distracting to men (fitna) and arouses sinful lust, etc.
I fully endorse the right of private businesses which receive no funding from taxpayers to only let in customers who are dressed "appropriately". If it's your private property, you can discriminate as you please, meaning it is no infringement on the rights of others to have a "no shirt no shoes no service" rule--so if you want to "shield your children's eyes" from nudity for religious reasons, the free market can grant you with that option. But in the case of public property, or property that is not yours, then you do not have a right to control how a woman dresses lest her clothes, or lack thereof, offend you.
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I go over toplessness in another stamp of mine. --->piewriter.deviantart.com/art/T… Feel free to read over there.
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And my post was a response to that stamp. You blocked comments over there, so I posted it here. Your post didn't explain why, if a tribe in the Amazon has a custom where women traditionally do not cover their breasts, we can say that the women are committing a crime; if a crime has been committed, then there must be a victim who must be paid compensation. Who would be the victim in this case? Is it the white missionary who considers their custom "lewd" and "indecent"?
In Afghanistan, a woman wearing anything less than a full-body burqa is considered scantily clad; most non-Islamic cultures, even very misogynist ones, would find mandatory burqas ridiculous. In other words, what is considered decent or indecent attire for women is not objective, but a matter of cultural norms. Are you arguing that, instead of simply protecting our lives and property from infringement by others, the State should also enforce Western cultural norms?
If SOPA and the NSA have demonstrated anything, it is that if we grant government more power. we do so at our peril.
The organized-crime group known as government has an awful lot of power over others--by definition, it is the only entity that can initiate force with no legal repercussions whatsoever. Many people would say that the last thing it needs is even more power to control us. If you still think otherwise, Tom Woods and Ron Paul (both devout Christians) would like a word with you (also, as it turns out, Christian theology does not require that prostitution be illegal).
I'm only wasting my time debating this because there is simply too much prudery, collectivism, and superstition in this world, and it shouldn't go unchallenged.
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I know this is late, but before we discuss questions of "is it good for society," what about the rights of you and me as individuals? I say this because my philosophical basis is the right to individual freedom as long as we do not impose on the rights of others-- we are not the property of our family, tribe, or religious group, and certainly not the property of the government. The law should treat people as free individuals, not serfs. If one's dialogue partner does not share this axiom, then we have little common vocabulary to have a discussion.
I say this because, leaving aside for the moment individual theological beliefs such as "my body is not my own, it is a temple for Yahweh, and I will not defile it," if you and I truly have self-ownership, rather than being owned by the State, then it follows the State does not have the right to interfere in voluntary exchanges between individuals that do not impose or infringe upon the rights of others, including their person and property. This means that if you and I are responsible for ourselves, rather than being taken care of by the State, then the State is not entitled to point a gun at our heads and force you and me to make "good" decisions, even if a bureaucrat is convinced he knows what's best for you. We know for a fact that food addiction, and using McDonald's and junk food to self-medicate, has harmful effects for the individual, and has some effects on the family and society, but I have yet to meet many Christians who would like to have food police that make it illegal for me to buy 5 BLT Whoppers when spending money on 5 BLT Whoppers and eating 5 BLT Whoppers would be bad for me. Most of us don't want to live in a Nanny State or totalitarian Soviet Republic that determines for us what we should eat each day. We take for granted the right to voluntary exchange when it comes to food.
With sex, however, the current position of many Western governments holds that if a lady has sex for free with a random slob off the street, risking STDs and who-knows-what, it is perfectly legal, but if she charges him 100 Euros for the privilege of having sex with her, suddenly it is is a crime. No distinction is made between human trafficking/sexual slavery, where victims are forced to have sex with strangers against their will, and voluntary, consensual sex between adults that involves money changing hands-- a distinction governments are careful to make when it comes to other dehumanizing and risky occupations, such working in a paint factory (where fumes are a real danger) or a slaughterhouse (Upton Sinclair's The Jungle being the seminal work on this subject). You and I may not want to work in a meatpacking plant, but we do not force that view on others.
There are philosophers of classical liberalism, such as Tibor Machan and Hans Moravec, who lay out the deontological case for legalized paying-for-sex far more articulately and concisely than I can do here. I'll post links if you want.
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Firstly, I do not know why you brought up theology or religion, since I did not bring it up myself. I may have religious reasons for it, but I refrained from voicing them in the stamp order to attract in a wider audience. Everyone can agree on facts from documented sources, but not everyone agrees with the beliefs of a religious system.
I think you also missed the point I was trying to make: prostitution does more harm than good. Now, obviously the government and other groups do not "own us"; however, they create laws to protect citizens and to bring order among them. I'm all for limited government myself, and for civil disobedience when real rights are at stake, but I don't think prostitution fits in there. It's one thing to take away a citizen's right to arm themselves, as it takes away their ability to defend themselves, and it's a right given to us in our Second Amendment. It has shown to lower crime rates when citizens can defend themselves, and taking away that right would cause a lot of harm to come (including government enforcing its power over the population).
Prostitution, however, is not about "individual rights": it's about sex. It's about having sex with a stranger for money. This is not a fundamental right, and even as a marketing right, it does not do well for people as a whole. As I showed above, legalized prostitution does little to help a majority of prostitutes find a safe working environment or to stop sexual abuse from occurring. It also does some damage to the rest of society as well, often times young, naive women and men being tricked into the industry, or mellowing people's view of the line between consensual sex and sexual harrassment/abuse. You can read more on it in the studies I provided.
So really: why sacrifice the well-being of others if it means the so-called rights of prostitution of a few? It makes no sense, and in the long run, hurts many other individuals and even their own rights.
Also, I agree: I think the fact that money somehow makes one activity legal over the other (having sex with a slob off the street vs getting paid to do it) is ridiculous. This is an example of abusing the belief of the right of the individual. Instead of encouraging women to practice "safe sex" or even to wait until they are in a committed relationship, they are given birth control pills out the wazoo and a "right to have sex" garbage. A right means nothing if it harms the person and others around them. Also, as I said above: I do not think making prostitution illegal will solve anything; we have to change the minds and hearts of the populace in order to truly make a difference. And hey, that's why I made this stamp, even if it won't change much hearts or minds.
Whenever people try to defend prostitution, they have to ignore the social ills and harm it can do, in order to justify it as a "legal business". Sorry, but I don't want a "legal" business in my neighborhood if it includes treating the human body as a tool for sexual pleasure or encourages people to have a blurred view of sex and consent. There are rights that protect individuals from unfair powers, and then there are harmful activities that are often poorly regulated and do little to stimulate the welfare of society.
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People have the stupidest reasons to legalize prostitution -__-
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