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Raven30412 β Rybare - Troja, Prague 7
Published: 2010-02-06 01:33:55 +0000 UTC; Views: 4351; Favourites: 27; Downloads: 236
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here's my 7th uni architectural project.it's a collab with Ondrej Hejda, friend and schoolmate.
for reading the plans, download is a must. the file is quite huge, sorry for that...
so, what's this all about... Troja is rather small but interesting district of Prague. Rybare is small part of it, and also the focal point of our project. The thing is that since the whole place is just next to Vltava river, a huge mound was built against the floodings. This mound, however, is a brutal intervention into the way how the whole place looks like and how it works and lives. Therefore, our mission was to deal with it somehow and complete the south end of Rybare. It's all on the edge between urbanistic and large-scale architectural project, most likely a bit of both.
Honestly, I'm not in the mood of translating the explication into english now, it's long and not that simple, since the whole situation we were dealing with isn't simple as well and the scale is quite large. I hope you'll get certain idea from the pics and plans, and I'll perhaps post a full text about the project later on, once I have some time to translate it.
And once again sorry for the huge pic, it was the only way.
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Intentionally solitary, as in De Chirico's works. And yes!, pigs can fly
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pigs can fly since Pink Floyd released their Animals album. And yes, there are many things we believe the project has common with De Chirico, the main one is the seeming impossibility of reaching building and place you see, they're drown somewhere in the sea of roofs and you can't say where exactelly. you must overcome the "barrier", enter world you don't really see from the street, but then - you discover new, hidden, intimate place, full of trees, grass, birds and people's homes. and if you continue deeper inside, you reach the collonade with beautiful view over the river.
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nicely done. the presentation is quite good too.
did you use archicad or autocad?
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thanks. well, both autocad and especially archicad sucks imho, so no, I did not. it's done in rhinoceros 4, the presentation is created in Corel Draw X4.
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here they introduce us to archicad so we basically work with it. it sucks i know. i heard that rhinoceros can plot any 3d model to plans so you can optimize the constructions of your models to any scale you want, is that true?
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yes, it's true. rhinoceros is sort of software superhero, it can do almost anything, in the best way you can imagine, and with perfect ergonomy of the program. one of the best things is that it is open for plugins and the code for plugins is open-source, so there are hundreds of them. So basically when there's something that rhino can't do, there's plugin that solves it. Typically visualARQ makes it more suitable for architects, T-Splines allows you to create insane organic shapes and so on.
So yes... fuck archicad, viva la rhinoceros
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I think there are several reasons for archicad.. first its kind of tradition, the program evolves but its not too dramatic so teachers on schools manage to adapt. More importantly, if you want to build actual thing.. you will have to use another program to make rhino models acurate and get plans out of it.
But again who cares when rhino is so intuitive (who would say that writing comnands is the fast way). So for viz and idea making its perfect and honestly.. if you were to build it im sure you would have somebody to make building model.
BTW sorry kliknul jsem nahodou na print request 
A muj prvni dojem, (vim ze je to vse vymyslene a je na tom prace ze si ani nedokazu predstavit) me se to libi i kdyz nevim jak by to pusobilo po nejakem case, ale sem by se podle me moc lidem nechtelo. Koncept je super pokracovani v tom razu okoli, jen podle me cilova skupina by byli spis studenti a vubec byty pro lidi s mensimi prijmy (proto mi treba garaze prijdou uplne mimo). Osobne jsem si skoro jist ze by se tam nastehovali bezni lide.. je to podle me hlavne funkcni nejde o to jak to vypada a asi je to i tak zamylseno a tu fuknci to plni velmi dobre. (i kdyz o tom vim asi uplnej prd)
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nesouhlasim v zadnem bode
tak za a)Rhinoceros je deskriptivarsky presnej. Pouzival se puvodne pro vytvareni technickych planu pro velky lode. Nevidim zadny problem ve vytvareni technickych vykresu v nem - ikdyz je samozrejme pravda, ze narozdil od archicadu ti to rovnou nehaze srafury a kcni detaily. ale to je vpodstate to co mi na nem vyhovuje, dava ti svobodu, nakreslis si v nem co chces a je to absolutne presny. jinak, nedavno vysel plugin visualARQ, coz je v podstate archicad do rhina. neni to jeste naprosto dokonaly, ale je to podle me posledni rana z milosti programu, kterej ma uz 10 let po expiraci.
Co se tyce te stavby... pro studenty to naprosto neni - jsou to luxusni domy (nikoliv byty) se zahradama, a pak rada se zahradou + vyhledem na vltavu... v Troji. Myslim, ze luxusneji to vpodstate uz nejde, s tim jsou taky vymysleny dispozice - vsechno je velky, vyreseny parkoviste je nuntost. Garaz pro RD se zahradou je myslim taky naprosta nutnost, je spis otazka, jestli u tech vetsich domu nemely byt garazova stani dve.
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Stavbu sem asi nepochopil nechci te certit.. podle me jsou takto sjednocene klonovane stavby z duvodu financniho. Nedokazu si predstavit ze by chtel nekdo "maximalne luxusni" dum stejny jako 40 dalΕ‘Γch. Ja nevim, koupil by sis ten barak mit penize ? Jsem si jisty ze by sis jako luxusni poridil neco na vlastnim pozemku a ne takovou krΓ‘lΓkarnu.. ale asi to je v praze jinΓ©. A taky mi mozna lijou moc techniky do hlavy proto se mi to zdΓ‘ levnΓ© i kdyz sem se sekl v rozmerech pokoje sou velike.
A rhino.. o tom sem v klidu. Jasne ze je presnej je to NURBS, ale co vim mcneel je firma ktera delala 3d graficke jadro pro autoCAD. Na zaklade toho udelali rhina, ktery byl stvoren kvuli tomu ze jine programy nedokazali jednoduseji vytvaret organictejsi tvary. Pokud vim zacalo to neco jako sketchup na drogach. Co vim jiste je ze Rhino proste neni delany na vsechny dulezite technicke veci pri stavbe kde se musi pouzivat strasne standardu a norem a vsechno se to musi prispusobovat nakladum navic ty modely se pak dost tezko testuji. Z vlastni zkusenosti rhino udela modely ktery se i hure tisknou na blbe 3d tiskarne natoz pak vyrabi. Nevim co vas uci (ja sem na strojni skole) ale proste podle me nelze vzit tspline (mimochodem dalsi dukaz o "volnosti" rhino jadra, tsplines byli prvne vytvorene na maya nurbs jadro ktere je delano ciste na vizualizaci) udelat nejakej silenej tvar vyvrtat do nej pokoje a nechat konstruktery (kteri ho pak budou davat do neceho kde to opravi a) at se s tim poperou. I kdyz mozna se to tak dneska dela. To nic nemeni na tom ze rhino je presne program pro designersky ucely.. je to nejlepsi 3D ktery existuje jen z nej proste neudelas vystup na realnej opravdovej projekt (rozhodne ne na strojirenskej a pochybuju ze na stavarskej nehlede na to jak na ne strojari nadavaji ze sou nepresni).
Nechci to nejak shazovat sam bych takovej velkej projekt asi tezko dal.. respektuji te jako grafika a treba akr je uplne drsna. Jen proste neco malo vim o konstrukcich a tohle je pro me spis masovΓ‘ vyroba pro levnejsi bydleni (ano je to na to moc velike) ja hned myslel ze to je proste nejaka velka kolej nebo neco coz by z meho pohledu byla uplna bomba.
Neresme, sem zvedavej na zaverecnou praci
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ty porad resis ty radovky smerem do Rybaru, ty jsou uplne druhotny z hlediska toho projektu... Jsou to normalni radovy domy se zahradkou a garazi, na tom neni typologicky preci vubec nic divnyho, ta garaz zcela odpovida typologii i velikosti. Podstatny je ale reseni valu, tj. ty hmoty smerem k rece, kde jde o luxusni atriovy domy obraceny dovnitr, a btw. je tam atypu jak nasrano
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Uz to chapu .. pro me failuje tahle prezentace. Porad me to vede k tomu nedulezitemu.. neni tam (v tomto zobrazeni) vubec ukazane to co riks ze je dulezite, ty luxusni domky (a jestli to je nektery z tech renderu tak to neni vubec poznat). No to je jedno asi to ani nemusi fungovat bez slovniho vykladu a hlavne pak sem se koukal na fotky a ty luxusni domky maji vlastni hmotny modely. Akorat me to z tohoto posteru prislo zvlastni. Uz to chapu.
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jojo, s prezentaci takle velky veci je problem. renderu je tolik, kolik jsme do odevzdavek stihli, chcem jich nekolik jeste dodelat - vcetne jednoho primo z obyvaku jednoho z tech atriovych domu. je tam pohled z tech vnitrnich nadvori, kde je to docela videt, ale chce to jste nejak zduraznit asi... No a idealni by byla jeste obri axonometrie, vcetne nejakyho rezu tou axonometrii, ze ktere by byly naprosto jasny prostorovy vztahy, je to nicmene prace tak na tyden pokud to ma vypadat dobre a ciste. Nekdy v dubnu to mozna pujde na verejne pristupnou vystavu, pokud nam to potvrdej, dodelame to.
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taky si dokazu predstavit ze je problem s prezentaci tech obytnych prostor v tom smyslu, ze ti zasveceni (natoz lajci) nebudou mit naprosto predstavu o rozmerech, takze pokud tam nedate nabytek nikdo moc nebude vedet (nehlede na to ze to zhorsuje prezentaci) a nabytek i kdyz nejakej readymade bude to stejne spousta prace jen s renderama a neakou lehkou kompozici.
No nic hodne stesti, rikal si ze dalsi prace je diplomovka ? Hodne stesti
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jo. no ja nesnasim pudorysy se zarizovacima predmetama jako jsou sedacky. to, ze je tam koupelna se vsema zarizovakama, zachod a kuchyn a dvere by myslim pro pochopeni rozmeru mohlo stacit dokonce i laikum
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ja myslel rendery. Prezentovat render pokoje bez nabytku je k nicemu. Navic marasni nabytek tomu prida strasne moc i nejvetsi profici budou mit radi drsnou prezentaci. Takze to je spis otazka toho mam cas/nemam cas, nez ano ne.
To je fuk ja o tom prd vim, tebe to uci
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