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KantiaCartography [2017-11-27 04:17:24 +0000 UTC]
A very nice map. For future reference though, you mixed up Tlaxcala and Morelos.
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TheLev In reply to olavops [2017-07-13 22:30:38 +0000 UTC]
Hah, although I did consider moving the US capitol to Richmond in the timeline rather than having a neutral location-The Royal Family has a few palaces around Albany, while a few settlements have evolved around Royal residences in the New World, for all the others its' Governor-General's residences
Ah-The issue of Slavery, this is a Virginian-led USA and New England's role in domestic policies is gone after 1812. As a result, the North and South push the issue while Virginia would very much rather take a middle ground in the name of order-North wants a full out ban and doesn't mind if they have to revolt to do so, South wants government approval for Slavery and eventually secedes (On the backdrop of a minor civil war in Texas on the same issue, as well as rioting in the Southern Commonwealth) Virginia at first tries to go for order but opts to eliminate the source of the problem by adopting a quasi-segregation of the south into Former-Slave dominated states and the remnants of slave-owning states. Yet it has no interest expanding that idea further west-there is no Missouri compromise, and in the end-order prevails over North or South. Oh and Lee rises to prominence keeping order in Virginia during the Lincoln Presidency and preventing that state having a civil war of its own (Along with North Carolina and Maryland) He gets the VP position for his work and takes charge of reconstruction.
The long term effect is that, with the creation of a plethora of Western states where Slavery was never an issue and the Virginian victory/compromise means that while times are good, there's order-when times are bad the North and South still have some axes to grind.
(Originally the story would look at a USA without New England, yet the only way to preserve a Virginian (Rather than Southern) dominance would be British retention of more Southern States)
Hope that cleared up a few things, glad you liked the map
Regards,
Lev
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bruiser128 [2017-06-19 14:11:31 +0000 UTC]
Interesting timeline you created here
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TheLev In reply to bruiser128 [2017-07-13 22:11:01 +0000 UTC]
Cheers, RD was able to add a fine bit of polish to the edges-it started off with a game, then an Alt-history series which proved too detailed
The project ultimately matured as a map, couldn't have done it without rubberdyck3y6 here-cleaned up the vagueness and the insight received made a significant difference
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-14 01:00:37 +0000 UTC]
I doubt too detailed is even a thing
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TheLev In reply to bruiser128 [2017-07-14 07:45:07 +0000 UTC]
Hah, I'd agree-yet the level of detail took too much time to write out. I am, however more than willing to provide endless detail about this world when questioned
Detailed things and processes are indeed the most interesting things to study
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-14 13:49:57 +0000 UTC]
Have you done any timelines yourself?
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TheLev In reply to bruiser128 [2017-07-15 11:52:16 +0000 UTC]
One or two, however the level of detail that I went into there would have warranted that of a part-time job so it barely got off the ground
Having seen maps like "The Grasshopper lies heavy" on Deviantart it seemed a natural fit, although if you have suggestions I'm more than happy to rekindle this little project
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-15 14:11:19 +0000 UTC]
I will only believe you if I get a link to see them
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-15 23:51:15 +0000 UTC]
Now I believe you and can relate.
Though from reading it I realized no one really asked "Which other colonies could have sparked the Revolution?"
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TheLev In reply to bruiser128 [2017-07-16 08:49:06 +0000 UTC]
True, and to that I'd say Virginia takes pride and place among potential breakaway colonies-the very name implies Manifest Destiny, colonies up to New Jersey were settled partially from Virginia, while Bacon's rebellion had shown they were capable of independent action (Even if that action was pro-Royalist during the Cromwell years). Plus the way that colonists from Virginia overwhelmed the Maryland Catholic project demonstrates that Virginia not only was self-reliant, but could project power beyond their borders. There was a native aristocracy that fuelled the USA's demand for leadership before the Civil War and most importantly of all-by 1775 they already had a path to the Ohio River, that highway that Lincoln's ancestors and many like them colonized the interior.
It seems to me that New England got fully behind the revolution and patriot movement because they were wronged, while Virginia had run out of things to gain from Britain. New England's very symbol of the Pine demonstrated their ties to Britain, and their interests were hurt by British mismanagement.
Shortly-South Carolina, Nova Scotia and New York had mercantilist elites-they'd back the stronger player in the end but if the sides were equal they would choose the bigger market, fleet and trading partner-unlikely to start there unless Britain restricted trade. Florida, Newfoundland, Georgia, Caribbean Islands were too small to start something and largely still dependant on Britain for everything. Quebec should be high on the list but their own elite was thoroughly won over by Carleton before the war-it is possible that without him there would have been trouble although it might not have spread.
Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania and North Carolina were within Virginia's sphere of influence, yet it was the momentum of other states that took them along-North Carolina did have localist tendencies (The excesses of which the Regulators fought against) but that didn't spread.
What would your thoughts on the matter be?
P.S. Have any timelines yourself?
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-16 16:17:46 +0000 UTC]
I honestly can't think of any plausible way of the Patriots getting
behind a revolutionary war that started in Quebec.
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TheLev In reply to bruiser128 [2017-07-16 17:00:27 +0000 UTC]
True, such a revolutionary attempt would be both unlikely and arouse the hostility of the Patriots
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-16 21:26:51 +0000 UTC]
Just wondering but what alternative governor could have made Virginia the spark of the revolution?
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TheLev In reply to bruiser128 [2017-07-17 14:19:50 +0000 UTC]
Could have been Dunmore-he was a bit of a maverick in his approach, supporting the Colony against the crown one year, the Crown against the colony the next. I would see a break happening about a decade or so later-when Virginian interests would seriously damage Britain's status quo and King George would overreact by sending a "Punishment Governor" yet either way we're looking at a far longer timeframe for a Virginian-led revolution, the men were there but the reason was not
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-17 15:14:31 +0000 UTC]
Or maybe his war against the native american's backfires because
he intentionally had his troops ill prepared to fight, so as to weaken
any future revolts.
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TheLev In reply to bruiser128 [2017-07-17 21:40:34 +0000 UTC]
Could be, the potential was there-when half a century earlier the decision was taken to let the Colonies do their own thing-Britain had almost made itself irrelevant in Colonial affairs, aside from France in Senegal-I'd like to see an example of a colonial power from Europe having even a glimmer of integration in its' colonies, especially how they managed to hold on to Guyana, Guadeloupe and Martinique
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bruiser128 In reply to TheLev [2017-07-18 00:31:23 +0000 UTC]
Well the Anglo French War of that time played a large part in why the
American Revolutionary War turned out it the way it did. Though the
former also got involved in Mysore and the Dutch republics war with
the British Empire because of it.
You can probably get what you want if the Revolutionaries win before
the French and Dutch got involved. Meaning the French can send those
resources to Mysore and temporarily halt the ambitions of the British
EIC.
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alexleclerc [2017-05-12 00:51:08 +0000 UTC]
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mdc01957 [2017-05-11 07:25:47 +0000 UTC]
Huh...I'm surprised the Brits were able to keep a sizable chunk of the South at all.
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TheLev In reply to mdc01957 [2017-05-11 19:05:33 +0000 UTC]
Bit of a stretch, but a hundred years of peace will do that-This is the map representation of a Virginian dominated America, without the influences of New England and the deep South, Democratic-Republicans galore.
Hah, not that Jackson wouldn't have tried-in this timeline the American intervention in the Napoleonic Wars takes place in the South with scattered clashes in the north, but with the same end result
Tried to base if off of defensible borders, but I'd need to see the ground myself to determine whether it could be held-would love to hear some local knowledge of the terrain there
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zalezsky [2017-05-11 01:10:26 +0000 UTC]
Stunning as always, I envy your style!
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