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ShroudofShadows In reply to Chinqwe [2016-08-24 21:20:25 +0000 UTC]

And I hate stupid people so I guess we have something on common

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Chinqwe In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2016-08-24 14:49:08 +0000 UTC]

This should be banned on Deviant art. As it promotes fur!! I could never do what this guy does.. If these animals die naturally or are roadkill then  fine .. But  to kill an animals for their fur is a fucking sin.. Fur belongs on the animals and NOT on humans!! Im going to report this, and share this with as many people as I can ...

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AquaSpiritFox In reply to Chinqwe [2016-09-05 23:31:24 +0000 UTC]

Although I lashed out at the artist ... It's not their fault that they have this particular interest. It's like the obsessive furry's that find bestiality a turn on in their fantasies or in this scenario they want to keep a part of that animal because they love that animal greatly. However I do agree that taxidermy is not a form of art and I can't see the point of forcing something to die for the sake of preserving it's natural beauty as an art. I feel it's wrong but I've violated many and there's nothing more I can say or do other than accept

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Altean-Prince In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2016-11-08 18:52:13 +0000 UTC]

people do get off to animal skins irl though.

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H0UNDCRY In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2016-05-06 19:06:24 +0000 UTC]

Second hand means you're not buying it from the hunter dumbass. And I am personally fine with my dead wolfie sitting next to me as a drawing reference 

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AquaSpiritFox In reply to H0UNDCRY [2016-05-08 21:50:16 +0000 UTC]

Yeh I guess I was too emotionally worked up and got stupid about what I said. I apologised to ShroudofShadows for the unneccessary comments but I realised that you and other people who are fascinated in taxidermy share a love of animals in a different light. Although I may still think that it is wrong I can't change anyone's perspective. I suppose if most people eat meat, use palm oil, paper and that sort of thing that's killing the planet I'll just have to accept the fact that there are animals dying regardless of whether it be a good or bad cause. I will admit though, as an artist I understand that the best way one can learn from reality is by observation.

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H0UNDCRY In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2016-05-08 22:12:24 +0000 UTC]

Glad we could find an opinion we could both agree on
nobody is the same in opinions, and thats just how the world works.

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AquaSpiritFox In reply to H0UNDCRY [2016-05-11 11:38:09 +0000 UTC]

Ikr! you called me a dumbass and I feel that way for acting like such an idiot with blown out of proportion ideology ... and everyone else on this page is probably viewing me the same way! =^_^'= not to mention I'm not even vegetarian anymore was never vegan, never joined peta and not even donated to animal charities yet because I'm skint plus occasionally have biscuits with palm oil in on rare occaisions which concludes: I'm a hypocrit and I had no right of way insulted not just the artist but everyone who feels the same way as she does.

It was mindless and stupid and I'm just glad another artist shone some light up my ass to make me realize how naive I really am. Trust me, I'm in no way attention seeking but it's a relief to know how carefully regulated hunting is these days and I hope other animal artists who have strong views/opinions on hunting like myself will read this conversation one day ... and laugh at me! XD 

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ShroudofShadows In reply to Mitzi-Mutt [2012-12-10 16:49:10 +0000 UTC]

BECURZ I LEIK KEELING INNUHCINT ANJIMULZ XD!!

Thank you !

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Mitzi-Mutt In reply to ShroudofShadows [2012-12-10 18:27:11 +0000 UTC]

Haha, no problem. ^^

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ShroudofShadows In reply to FlyingFlawed [2012-11-20 00:46:01 +0000 UTC]

Thank you ! And thank you for the suggestion

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ShroudofShadows In reply to lupagreenwolf [2012-11-18 04:09:04 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much !

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lupagreenwolf In reply to ShroudofShadows [2012-11-18 06:54:57 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

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ShroudofShadows In reply to DigitalSero [2012-11-18 04:00:37 +0000 UTC]

Thank you . Germany is one of my faves. He's got some huge claws @_@

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ShroudofShadows In reply to Phoenix-Cry [2012-11-18 03:38:15 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much !

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Chinqwe In reply to ShroudofShadows [2016-08-24 14:50:18 +0000 UTC]

You sound thick as shit to be honest!!!! I hope the same happens to you one day .. I will be reporting your profile you sick fuck!!!

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ShroudofShadows In reply to Chinqwe [2016-08-24 21:21:47 +0000 UTC]

I'm reporting you for having no art on a DA account. 

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ShroudofShadows In reply to EvisceratedUnicorn [2012-11-18 03:58:47 +0000 UTC]

BEKAUS KEELING ANIMUZ IS FUN N I HUNT DEM FOR TEH LOLZ

(it's quite painful )

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EvisceratedUnicorn In reply to ShroudofShadows [2012-11-18 04:06:11 +0000 UTC]

OMG HOW DARE U HOW CULD U ORFEN BBY AMINALZ BY KILLIN DER MAMMIEZ N DADDYZ?!

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AquaSpiritFox In reply to EvisceratedUnicorn [2015-09-02 17:58:54 +0000 UTC]

so what you're saying is "Oh how can you kill them" then you're a hypocrite for saying "I want all of these things" and a terrible artist to have to want something real and dead to draw from. 

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EvisceratedUnicorn In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2015-09-02 19:22:53 +0000 UTC]

I'd like to know how I'm a terrible person for collecting remnants that might have been thrown away/waster otherwise, treating my remnants well (dusting bones, brushing out and dusting pelts, etc.), and using them for accurate art reference.

Also, I'm laughing at "terrible artist." Any art teacher, professor, tutorial, etc. will tell you that drawing from life benefits you more than drawing from photographs/memory. 

Seriously, kid. Calm your tits and step off. Harassing people over something you're not educated on and trying to argue based fully on emotion and angst makes you look like an idiot.

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AquaSpiritFox In reply to EvisceratedUnicorn [2015-09-02 22:05:29 +0000 UTC]

sorry, I kind of went off on one. I guess I just don't see the point of collecting animal skins as a hobby and personally I think it's discusting however some people don't see it the way I do. I just don't find it right and I can't bear the idea of people wanting skins because they love the creature so much that they're willing for it to die in pain and not support it's young if they have any. Just to inform you that the skin trade is illeagle whether they are second hand or not, also hunters will lie to you whilst they hold a stash in their back cupboard. 

I will also admit that I am a hypocrite as I know from my own knowledge that drawing from observation is the key secret to acomplishing the best results, I just don't agree with animals having to be killed in the first place. And you are probably better than me, and I like all art so that is purely biased based on my hatred of skin collecters. I disagree, though as you can go to museums to draw that sort of thing and photos work almost just as well, I just don't see why artists should have the encouragement to support hunters for their own wellbeing.

I am educated, I know how to progress in alot of mediums and can learn without having to look at something without the expression of severe pain. 

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EvisceratedUnicorn In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2015-09-03 00:38:21 +0000 UTC]

All right, I'm gonna have to show you everything that's wrong with this comment...

"I guess I just don't see the point of collecting animal skins as a hobby and personally I think it's discusting however some people don't see it the way I do."
That's fine that you don't see the point of collecting pelts, bones, tails, wet specimens, what have you. It's fine that you don't understand that not everyone thinks like you. However, there is absolutely no need whatsoever to needlessly harass people or just go and say that you believe people and/or their pets should die . That's totally uncalled for, and really makes you out to be no better than your average bully/cyber bully/what have you. Perhaps if you don't understand why people do something, you ask politely what their reasoning is, where their items came from, etc.

"I just don't find it right and I can't bear the idea of people wanting skins because they love the creature so much that they're willing for it to die in pain and not support it's young if they have any."
Again, if you don't find it right, that's fine. It's your opinion. People have differing opinions, and it's perfectly acceptable to have a discussion, not just outright harass them. 
Yes, many taxidermists, artists, biologists, collectors, etc. love animals. However, it's not "I love this animal so much that I want it to die in pain so I can have its skin." Most hunters, trappers, and ranchers treat the animals very well (I say "most" because there are the bad ones out there who give all of them bad names. Specifically, the ones who hate animals, or anyone who raises fur in China. China has literally no animal welfare laws and will purposely mislabel dog and cat fur as things like "Chinese Wolf," "Tibetan Wolf," "Chinese Rabbit," "Chinese Mink," etc. No responsible fur trader or collector buys from China because of this.) and put them down quickly and humanely. The ways that animals are put down vary by species. Most larger animals are dispatched with a bullet to the head for a quick death with no suffering. Small animals, it can be a bullet or in the case of some meat rabbit farmers I know, cervical dislocation because of the fragility of their spinal cords. 
Most hunting and trapping seasons are actually done when animals have no young to care for. The only real exception is coyotes, which, in the USA, are open season year round due to their numbers, the fact they have no specific breeding season (they breed year round and are vastly overpopulated.), and how easy it is for them to spread disease. Coyotes in areas like mine are actually also losing their fear of people and can even be found in cities. They attack pets and livestock, spread diseases like rabies and mange, and, like any other species, can starve if their population is too high and there's not much food left. Hunting and trapping are actually good for the environment in many areas if regulations are followed. Fees for tags (at least, here in America) go to conservation groups and fund research on local wildlife. 

"Just to inform you that the skin trade is illeagle whether they are second hand or not, also hunters will lie to you whilst they hold a stash in their back cupboard."
The legality of the fur/bone/part trade depends on several factors: The species and subspecies in question, population status of said species, and federal/state/province laws. If the fur trade was 100% illegal, then there would be no fur ranches, furriers, leathersmiths, taxidermy, etc. This statement is completely fabricated.
Generally speaking, worldwide, it's actually quite acceptable and legal. I believe the fur trade you are thinking of is the black market exotics trade, where poachers and criminals will sell ivory, endangered animal furs/organs/bones, as well as crafts made from said endangered species.
An example of the variances in animal parts laws would be my own country, the United States. We have federal regulations that the entire country is to follow...
- Migratory Bird Treaty Act (an act which states that it is illegal to possess a live specimen or parts of, kill, relocate, or otherwise disturb many specific songbirds, raptors, etc.)
- Marine Mammal Act (all marine mammals and parts thereof are illegal to own)
- Endangered Species Act (the one that states it's illegal to trade in/own parts of endangered species, except the states that allow you to own these things if they have paperwork stating and authenticating they are from before the act was put in place)
- It is illegal to sell/buy dog or cat pelts (this keeps fur from China being imported to the USA, I think?)
Along with these federal laws, each state has its own laws on animal parts ownership. For example, one of my state's laws is that you may not buy, sell, or trade shed deer antlers, and that you need a license to pick up roadkill. California and New York allow one to buy wolf parts, but once they own them, they cannot sell, trade, or gift them out of state.
I also have not known any hunters who "lie to you whilst they hold a stash in their back cupboard." This seems like one of the various negative stereotypes passed around by PETA-type groups. 

"I will also admit that I am a hypocrite as I know from my own knowledge that drawing from observation is the key secret to acomplishing the best results, I just don't agree with animals having to be killed in the first place."
As I said before, it's fine that you think this way- but attacking people for it is still wrong. It's no different from someone, say, going up to a person of a different race and harassing them over it. 
The animals also are not always killed intentionally. I have a fawn skull and two grey fox skulls that, unfortunately, had been hit by cars. The skulls were nature cleaned. Many people find bones in the forest or on the side of the road. Some scavenge roadkill for pelts and bones. There's even people who, when their cat or dog kills something, they'll salvage parts from that. Animals are also rarely killed for the purpose of collecting or art. As I mentioned before, hunting, trapping, and fishing are mainly for population control. Most people eat or donate the meat. The furs from some animals get sold to furriers, taxidermists, and collectors. If humans didn't hunt or trap, populations would be so dense that animals would be starving, spreading diseases, attacking people and pets, etc.
I personally collect pelts and bones so they can be appreciated, even after death, and for art references. I don't like the idea of animals going to waste, so I like to keep their memory around so their existence isn't forgotten. My personal favorites are actually pathological specimens, oddly coloured ones, scarred/cracked, etc. because each animal has their own unique story, and these imperfections are proof of that! 

"And you are probably better than me, and I like all art so that is purely biased based on my hatred of skin collecters."
Being biased for what someone chooses to use for art reference, collection, etc. is quite childish. It's just like if someone were to say "I hate all Christians." or "I hate all white people." Don't judge someone's character based off of their appearance, hobbies, religion, etc.- judge them after you get to know them. It will take you further in life. 

"I disagree, though as you can go to museums to draw that sort of thing and photos work almost just as well, I just don't see why artists should have the encouragement to support hunters for their own wellbeing."
Again, this depends. Some places are totally cool with people hanging around and drawing, taking reference photographs, etc., and some are not. Some people, yes, do well drawing from zoos, aquariums, etc. but those are tricky if you're not quick with gesture drawing because most often, animals walk/swim around or change position from time to time. It's also difficult, say, if you need a specific angle for something you want to draw or paint. Some people are awesome and created all-angle reference sheets/stock photos, but it can be really tough and I know sometimes, searching through references of animals can get tedious and make me lose my spirit for the drawing. 
Some specimens are from hunters, some are not. Naturally found pieces are often used, as are roadkill, farm leftovers, etc. You don't have to like that hunting and trapping are around, but at least be a bit more open-minded and not immediately label it as awful because you don't like or seem to know too much about it.

"I am educated, I know how to progress in alot of mediums and can learn without having to look at something without the expression of severe pain. "
I know how to progress in various mediums, too (though I tend to favor pen and ink). Once again, severe pain isn't always a thing... For example, many leghold traps are strictly regulated. Most areas do not allow them to be used if they do not have rubber guards on the edges to prevent cutting the animal. America has also banned the traps with the jagged/serrated edges. Leghold traps do not harm the animals and are designed for a safe release in case the wrong species is caught. Many trappers actually disproved the myth of them hurting the animal and breaking bones, cutting, etc.! Go on YouTube and check out the "Hand in the Trap Challenge." It's actually a very interesting, educational series of videos. Then, as I stated before, many animals are put down very quickly with a bullet or cervical dislocation. 

Perhaps you might benefit from reading up on hunting and trapping from official conservation/department of wildlife/game warden/etc. websites. They will have rules and regulations (ranging from legally harvested species to permitted seasons/weapons) posted, as well as how many things are done and actually work. 

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AquaSpiritFox In reply to EvisceratedUnicorn [2015-09-03 11:02:34 +0000 UTC]

I guess you have changed my perspective on hunting laws, although they do still hunt the animals I would have never thought that there were special laws about it. And I know what you mean about the liveliness part, it's very difficult but I guess it's something that you can accept and is generally ok but I'll take other methods of learning. I will also admit that I'm sorry and that my reaction was ott. I'm sorry, I guess the stupidest part was how if I don't like something I should just not look at it. And thanks, I will look at these things to get a better insight into how regulations on hunting is handled.

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EvisceratedUnicorn In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2015-09-04 03:12:25 +0000 UTC]

Laws for taking game species are VERY strict. Even here, regulations on deer in my area are strict. In my specific area, we have a two week deer rifle season. The first week, you can only take male deer with at least 3 points on one antler. Doe are permitted to be harvested only the second week. No one can take fawns. 

Yes, not looking at something you don't like is probably the best choice. 

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AquaSpiritFox In reply to EvisceratedUnicorn [2015-09-07 12:59:03 +0000 UTC]

Wow, I never knew it was like that. God that's so interesting! 

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EvisceratedUnicorn In reply to AquaSpiritFox [2015-09-02 18:59:56 +0000 UTC]

Lol, what? 

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ShroudofShadows In reply to BookThief17 [2012-11-18 03:57:48 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! He really is a beauty. I'm very thankful to have him

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