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Vypor — I Remember When...
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This is something I've been meaning to do for some time now.Something I've been meaning to say.
Let me summarize it this way...
When you refuse to forgive, it doesn't make you look "in-control", or "cool."
It has ramifications that go beyond what you could guess.
I've watched the Lati community go from a growing sensation of close friends, to scattered circles of hostile gossiping social-savages. The kind where if they don't like you, and you can't do anything for them, then forget it.
Some aren't so bad, but tensions are always high. People are finicky. They're afraid to open their minds to someone else, and I've seen others hurt because of it.
Me?
Well I stay away from most of it. I tried to step in and help before, and you can guess how that ended up.
Though I can't say that the overwhelming drama hasn't helped douse my fandom of the Lati.
That's about all I have to say at this point.
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I know that feeling.
While I'm far from involved from this community of yours (though I'll tip my hat to you, as limited as I am in proximity to Pokemon, I admit these Lati creatures are rather appeasing to my interests), I've gone through-well, more like been witness to similar proceedings among the community who uses a sandbox game to make pretty pictures of small, oddly-colored horses. And from what I can see, my community is no stranger to the sufferings of yours.
Arguments over personal matters and matters of taste. Hateful messages being thrown about. People leaving in frustration, some of whom come back and get frustrated again (rince, repeat), other who close their accounts and contents leave behind almost nothing. Clear divisions among people, and general senses of uneasiness that seem to taint almost everything.
I suppose no community of people is immune to such things. Humans are humans, no matter their avatar, and our emotions will always have a habit of getting the better of us and letting things take a turn for the worse. Your decision, one I took to long ago myself, is often just to stay out of it and remain neutral yet observing. Perhaps its isolating in a sense, God knows I hardly ever talk to people these days, but in the end, I suppose it's worked out for me, and I'm probably able to fare much better interacting with everyone this way.
Perhaps it isn't all equal. My colleagues are still relatively thriving and collaborative, but with familiar individuals lessening in activity, a decline might be going on my side. Not quite the same as your situations, possibly, considering that group of yours that's all but abandoned, but might be getting there as time goes on. Still, when that day comes with all you cherish is in the past, remaining only in relics scattered around galleries and favorites and odd groups, it's a bit of a somber feeling. I've even gone on about it myself in a comic of my own: andrewnuva199.deviantart.com/a…
But regardless, you're not alone in such feelings, as previous commenters have made clear. It's not exclusive to your circle, and it's certainly not that pleasing to face. I suppose the best we can do is press on and keep those good memories close.
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That makes Me feel like a jerk, not cause I act like that but because I'm newer to this community and still feels like I should take some blame. I came here because none of my friends were into latii like Me. So I took refuge here.
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Then you have no reason to feel bad it would seem.
Truthfully, you probably got the better deal coming here after the fact.
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what can i say this community was diminished just like the Romans:
stones on ice: they crushed themselves with they're own stupidity
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I personly beleave Life is Hell U Just have to keep going and never give up for the world can still be a beutiful place no matter what
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It is nicely done and nicely worded. I'll be honest though: You are a big influence on a lot of people, especially in the lati community. For some of the people there, who were influenced by you, your art and your stories, seeing you give up and walk away was a huge punch in the chest. Read your own words and remember that there is always something worth fighting for.
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Not sure if this is about the deviant art community or something in real life, but let me give you some advice.
Isolation=No one to hurt you. But you get lonely
Population=Everyone to hurt you. But you will never get lonely
You gotta build a "wall" to hide and take cover from the shit life spews at you. You use your wall to let the right ones in and to keep the wrong ones out. I hope everything works out okay!
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It's not just the Pokemon community but basic human nature. It occurs in humanity, throughout history and certainly won't exempt itself here on the internet. I'm sorry that you have to distance yourself, but I think that's the part where most people learn to as well. I've cut myself off from friends who have hurt me multiple times, and I'm sick of it so I just have one or two people that I talk to daily. I'm sorry about what's happened thoguh. I can't put it fully to in depth words but...I understand and have experienced similar pain. Hold strong Vypor
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Oh I'm well aware of it. I was simply naive back then, not such a case this time around.
I know you've been through a bit yourself, but no need for pity for me.
I'm over it.
I've moved on, I'm simply reminiscing about old times.
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yes the same, one somewhat immoral entity that keeps bringing itself back just for us to rage upon:
war...
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I'm sorry....I feel like this is my fault, this is long past, but still. I loved having more people join our Lati community, i didn't know it was going to get so big and people would start fighting, i learned from my mistake, but it also turned everything into chaos. Our little close group fell apart, and i extremely miss having all of you to talk with and hang out, sometimes I wish i could go back and prevent everything from happening, I did try to fix and work out the problems at the time, but it only worked for a while. =/
I definitely know how you feel...
Get on MSN or something, I miss talking with you
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Don't EVER blame yourself for what happened.
The fault for it's downfall lies with those who were power-hungry and wanted control of it all. Those who found it more appealing to tease and bicker than be friends for the very sake of being friends.
We were naive back then. We couldn't have foreseen what would happen, so do not blame yourself.
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Well, it seems that Kong isn't the only place where rifts are.
It's hit the Lati community.
Hooray for the spread of trolls.
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It hit long ago, what's left are the aftershocks.
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So you're giving up.
Honestly, Vypor, that's the last thing I would expect you to do. Then again, online facades are so terribly easy to create.
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Oh, look. Someone who didn't actually pay full attention to the item which they are commenting on.
If you can't read it and understand this happened long ago, and I am simply reminiscing about the old days, whilst reprimanding the actions of those who caused such a ruckus, then I won't bother explaining anything else to you.
Don't act "disappointed" in me, what right would you have of such a thing to begin with?
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Alright then, you gave up. However, the fact that you're still even talking about it means you still care enough to notice.
Quite a bit, seeing as I've dealt with the same thing in real life. People call you friends until you disagree with them, then you're suddenly demonized and ostracized for what you believe. I never gave up on them, though, and things started to turn around. Things aren't perfect, but they are getting better. I had to go through hell to do it, but I came out with one last bullet in my hand. That time, I didn't waste my one shot (Sorry, Redlight King song reference -- good song. Look up Bullet In My Hand on Youtube if you get the chance). It was annoying as all hell, but it was definitely worth it.
I worded that last response horribly, and I'm sorry for it. It's just that...from reading your main story, I took you for one of those guys who was so stubborn, so pugnacious, so hardy, he just wouldn't give up on a good cause. Even when it looked pointless and naive. I guess I was the one who was naive here...I'm very sorry. I'm just rambling on now.
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Is it me, no matter whether it was better before.
I'm in the here and now and not 60 years old that I need to talk about the past.
and I have betrayed no one.
Can I have the knife from her back?
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You came along much after the main incidents, you needn't not worry yourself with the past here.
And that's Lateon, not a her. Also not really a humorous picture either.
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i think abouth a fifth of us came after the main blast of it all
now we're just waiting for the calm AFTER the storm
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Oh, I'm already pretty long here as a silent observer.
I know who that is, It was a translate error.
You are Today again completely dead serious.
Where is your sense of humor remained.
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I have a sense of humor. But it's hard to find humor when I think about that picture. You have to remember I drew it as a representation of what I felt during that time.
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now it is too theatrical for me.
I would like to talk more with them.
But I always prevents the translation.
You like hang up on language errors. So I end here.
You've achieved a lot but the further comes.
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Well... I'm glad. I've always considered you a close friend.
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I've never commented on anything of your's in a while.
I remember when you mentioned these worries, and situations, in your journal. It's sad to know the club you put a great deal of time and effort into fell apart, due to those that lack respect or compassion.
I've never been affiliated with the club, but if it ever manages to restart, or redeem itself, I hope that its early concepts of a simple and good friendly social environment, remain as its only dedication.
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Indeed, it has been quite awhile.
It seems so long ago, and I suppose technically it has been.
And don't expect it to revive, I'm quite sure it's pretty well dead for good now.
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Hey, you never know, it may come back in the future. My belief is probably because I'm generally an optimist. =]
But if I were to bet on which statement is more likely, I would go with your's. Considering the sheer amount of corruption that sadly prospered.
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Yeah. Being an optimist is ironically, hard work.
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This is the exact reason that, while you may see me as a part of these "fandom" communities, they are only a place for me to meet new people. Whether or not they become my friend is based on their own merits, and behavior. I'm willing to be friends with anyone and everyone, but if you aren't willing to accept me for who I am, than you can forget it. The internet is the place we go BECAUSE we are afraid of these things in real life. So if our release, to show who we really are, becomes thus poisoned, what purpose does it serve?
The trolls will always be there. The vain people will always be there. Then there are people like me and, I assume =Vypor here, the ones who simply don't give a shit what others think. I am who I am. If you like that, great, let's be friends. If you don't like it, deal with it. If you can, maybe we can still be friends. But if you are gonna go cause some political bullshit, then have fun, but don't expect me to respond or care, because I won't.
The Lati community is just one example of this. Unfortunately, there will always be rivalries. The key is to be able to look beyond them, and accept your rival for who they are, and remain friends, even while holding strong in your opposing viewpoint. To keep arguments about the topic, not about the arguers.
You can't help those who don't want help. And unfortunately, egos grow quickly.
I haven't seen any of this in my group, #The-Wannabe-Writers , and hope I never will, but chances are, that it will happen. That's why we have a policy not to insult others as an attack. Yeah, we joke around, for example, I call ~RyuDragonclaw an idiot all the time. But do I mean it? No. I'm joking, or referring to one single action. But the important part, is that he knows that I'm kidding, that we're still friends. We have our fights, but we stick the subject matter, not the other person's personal problems. We keep our minds open to 'factions' of thinking, while maintaining our own. Gay/Lesbian? It's not for me, but it doesn't make you any less of a person.
All are welcome to be my friend, so long as you can keep an open mind too.
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That's another of the many problems. People are not open minded at all, and it's utterly pathetic.
Trolls realize this, and add to the depravity by preying on the weak.
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we've a troll in all of us;
some manage to keep it tame, and under control
whilst others, let it loose.......
glad I'm the former
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damm i wonder how many can agree with this and not understand it fully but understanding is having exp of it frist hand
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The Lati community wasn't the only one to fall to this. It's simply the way most people are these days. And they have no good reason to be, that's the real kicker. They simply want to look cool or make someone else feel smaller to compensate for their own shortcomings.
Me? I tend to stay far away from any fandom anymore. They all have the morons, and the morons far outweigh the intelligent people.
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Unfortunately, yes.
But as I told another, I will always have a fandom regardless. I will simply be carrying my lessons learned with me.
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It's much better to just enjoy a thing than to join a community related to the thing, it seems. You and I have fandoms, we always will. But, at least when it comes to me, distance from the COMMUNITY of the fandom would probably be best.
Still, at least you and I can enjoy random BS together. XD
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That is pretty sad. 
In my anecdotal experience, I've seen similar things happen to other communities. People start caring more about the "community" than the original thing it was built around. It becomes more important to know who is doing what and have "status" than just celebrating what everyone loves. It's at this point that the gossip starts and people start getting angry at each other...
It's one of the reasons I don't get that involved with communities any more. I find it adds to stress of my life instead of detracting from it.
But I am sorry to hear this has happened to you.
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It's fine. It's all done and gone, I'm through with it myself.
I witnessed what happened, what is CAPABLE of happening, and I leave it.
I suppose I still consider myself somewhat a member of the community. But I'm nowhere near as involved as I once was, I learned my lesson, and for the most part, turned myself into my own version of a hermit.
Communities are dangerous when run by those who are not used to the kinds who creep in and try to undermine everything, be it for power or entertainment.
Just don't be sorry for me, I'm over it.
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I understand. It can be very difficult to maintain a community, given the natural state of community decay. I think that, often, people on the Internet can be fairly young and don't quite realize what they are doing. I know I acted more like an idiot when I was younger. (Like, in high school. Younger than that and you just had crappy dial up. xD) I think human nature tends to work against what's best sometimes, and you certainly see that with some online communities.
I've also found I've just become less of a Pokemon fan with time. Not that I don't like Pokemon now, or anything, but I moved on to other things.
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True, but I also try to take into account that sometimes it's intentional with a reason. Like it's that person's ways of being a bully to ease the pain of the bullying they endure at school.
And while that doesn't excuse their behavior, it makes it somewhat more tolerable.
Agreed as well. Not the Pokemaniac I used to be. I have my spurts of fandom here and there, usually when I start playign a game or something, but for the most part, I'm spread out all over now.
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Hmm, I suppose I never really thought of it that way. I always figured that most people are just idiots and have no idea what they are really doing. There may be some people who actually want to bring down a community, but normally the community can implode on its own purely because people aren't perfect. I am majorly a lurker, though, so I don't normally get too involved with communities in the first place.
Don't get me wrong; I still love Pokemon. But after awhile, the games do start to feel repetitive. It's a testament to how good the formula is that I haven't gotten that bored until now. I liked Pokemon Black, but I only played through it once, whereas I normally play them a lot more.
The one exception is Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, though. I like that series better than the main series and I'd wish they would make more of it.
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Yeah, it's easy to assume that, I am certainly guilty of doing so.
And lol at the lurker bit, that's exactly what I am now. xD
Agreed. It is repetitive. At this point it has gotten a bit boring, and what keeps it original is the different means by which you reach the same end as the others.
Ahh... Mystery Dungeon.
The very game that got me into the Pokemon fandom in the first place. They seriously need to make more of those. They're so much more original, and the storylines are ever so much more compelling. Hell, I nearly shed tears at the end, it was set up so well.
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The Pokemon themselves are what keep the series going, as most of them are pretty cool. (Except horrible ice cream Pokemon. Don't get me started on horrible ice cream Pokemon.)
Agreed. The story lines are much, much better and all of the characters are a lot more likeable. It also feels slightly more realistic to me, ie, huge Pokemon are huge. Plus the music and artwork is a lot better, IMO.
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And the coin pokemon. Bronzor? Seriously now?
The characters in PMD don't feel nearly as 'scripted' as in the other games. Because I swear, every pokemon game is swarmed with characters that are all "I MUST GO HERE AND BATTLE! AND AFTER THAT, I WILL GO HERE AND BATTLE! AND AFTER THAT..." I think you see the pattern here.
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Bronzor.
Bro-nzor.
He's now a bro. I ruin everything.
This is very true. The characters in normal Pokemon games really suck, for the most part. They are all like little clones of each other. Especially Nurse Joy.
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Aggron.
Ag-groan.
I groan at your pun and make my own. I continue to ruin everything.
And therein lies the reason why I hate the regular characters of the Pokemon series, and like it only for the Pokemon themselves.
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I know how you feel. It's great when you have tons of friends, you feel good because that's human nature. But when those friends begin to pick at you for your faults, they have lost the right of being your friend because true friends accept you for who you are.
Although I've got a close group of friends right now, I'm pretty sure that at some point, there will be more people that notice what we do and want to join us. Then, it will all go downhill from there.
This is why I'm also picky with my friends, because I know that some people just pose as your friend to get something from you or to try and change you.
Also, the part about trying to hide their true selfs because they might get mocked is quite true. Too many people fear many things nowadays, and it makes them lash out more often because of it. Too few people have realized that fear is the mind killer. It's great to see that more people are realizing it however.
Maybe we should talk more...
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