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Dom-Bul β Layers of American Irredentism - Manifest Destiny?
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Published: 2018-10-18 15:27:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 15049; Favourites: 147; Downloads: 96
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My attempt to deal with the next stage of Manifest Destiny will maybe be inaccurate to say the least...
Layer 1: the USA today [+ outer territories, Puerto Rico, yadda yadda]
Layer 2: Minor border disputes from the 19th century with Canada and to a certain extent the UK - Oregon claim, Missouri claim, North Rock Island [Bay of Fundy], Alaskan border claim
Layer 3: Greenland, de-facto controlled by the USA during WW2 and almost bought from Denmark in 1946
Layer 4: "Polk's America" - claims in Mexico, Yucatan and Cuba by then-president James K Polk [1845-1845], most of these claims died with him
Layer 5: British Columbia and Yukon territory from Canada
Layer 6: QuΓ©bec - many times considered to join the US, today the regional party "Parti 51" proposes leaving Canada and joining the USA
Layer 7: What remains of Canada
Layer 8: What remains of Mexico
Layer 9: The Philippines
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Some suggestions to add in
1. The Dominican Republic - It was almost annexed into the United States by a Senate vote in 1867, and was later occupied by the United States from 1916 to 1924.
2. Bermuda and the Bahamas -Β American forces briefly occupied Bermuda a few times during the American Revolution. In addition, Nassau, the capital of the Bahamas, was also occupied by American forces during the Revolution.
3. The ISIS Caliphate - ISIS is a truly American creation. It's a proven fact that ISIS has been and continues to be covertly funded by the United States government, and with all the funding, weapons, and training they receive, they're basically like the 51st state.
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Theres also countries america occupied before like more in latin america, parts of Germany, or japan
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But hey, well, well, good but what do we have here? Americans also suffering from irredentist feelings?
Please, even the wars waged against the Native Americans, Mexico (that was a massive theft of territory) and against Spain (a massive usurpation of territory that is cultural / linguistically / ethnically distinct from the continental United States) would still claim territory from Mexico? Not usurping half of the country was enough for them?
How strange that they have stopped claiming Canada as the 51st State despite not being very different from the United States ...
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Salt??
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-The claims of the Manifest Destiny over Canada are fictitious ?.
-They were merely trying to populate the area with immigrants in exchange for their swearing allegiance to the Mexican flag. Those immigrant statesmen in Mexico did not stir because of centralization alone, they came from a country where slavery was still legal while in Mexico they had abolished it as soon as they declared independence in 1810, they tried to take slavery from new to Mexico, something that was anathema in independent Mexico.
In addition, those lands had never been controlled by English or French so that the United States of that time could really claim them, the only European power that had controlled those lands for a long time was only Spain through the Viceroyalty of New Spain, and that had been recognized in a border treaty signed by the United States and the Kingdom of Spain in 1812. So technically, the United States would have broken that border treaty under artificial / false pretenses.
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-If you could resolve the differences with what is now Canada through diplomatic channels, why didn't you do the same with Mexico?
Was it because the independent Mexico was not under the protection of any European power? Or because of the fact that Mexico was part of the Spanish Empire?
-The Adam-Onis Treaty was above that, in addition to the fact that American emigrants wanted to reimpose slavery in Mexico when the latter had already spoken to it in 1810. You cannot excuse it is behavior (pretending to impose slavery in a country that already has abolished it).
-If they tear away half of your territory and force out those who did not want to take the citizenship of the new land controller, I suppose that can leave almost any country with a bitter scar in their national history (and that I am not a Mexican).
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"rightly" is a very subjective term here
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that wouldn't make it rightly either though, that's the point
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The lies of which man ???
What betrayal are you referring to exactly?
It was the United States that started that war, it was NOT Mexico, the United States had NO right to reclaim those lands, given that they were populated or with ethnic Hispano-Americans or some other tribe of Native Americans, but not by white Americans.
Claim Yutatan or the whole of Mexico ???
That would have been a complete disaster if you asked me, because it would have turned the United States into a kind of New World Austria-Hungary with 2 ethnic groups that would have fought for influence within the government (cultural and ethnic Hispanic-Americans one side and Americans on the other side), would have made the Union fall even faster.
The United States also has no right to seize Cuba, that island has nothing American in it, and I am speaking in the cultural, ethnic and linguistic field to justify an annexation, unless the United States tries to forcibly Anglicanize the island as I try to do it in vain with Puerto Rico for almost half a century.
In the same way, the United States should not have the right to usurp Puerto Rico to Spain, since that island (like Mexico and Cuba) did not have and has nothing of American in it (it was not culturally American, they were not Anglophone or it was not populated by ethnic Americans either) that justified the territorial robbery.
That island also was never British territory that justified the theft to Spain after the Spanish-American War.
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You were wrong here, because it was the United States of that time that put a trap to Mexico to drag the Mexican troops to the disputed border so that they had no choice but to defend themselves with their own weapons and then the president himself told him to his whole congress to make them believe that American blood had been spilled on American soil when in reality it had been a De Facto controlled territory for Mexico, not the other way around.
Yucatan at that time had mestizo and predominantly Catholic population. For its part, the United States was still primarily an Anglican / Anglo-Saxon state because the waves of immigration from various parts of the world had not yet taken place.
Attempting to annex large populated portions of Mexico or the whole country would have brought about a game of power between the Spanish-speaking, predominantly Catholic and anti-slavery mestizos in the south and a population of pro-slavery Protestant whites in the north, that over time probably would have ended up definitively dividing the country in the subsequent American Civil War, which would have been even more intense with Mexico being part of the United States but being ethnically still something quite apart from the rest of the United States ...
What was happening in Cuba at the time the USS Maine was immolated in the port of Havana was practically a civil war between pro-independence Cubans and Cuban-Spanish people who advocated becoming an autonomous province of Spain, as well as Puerto Rico.Β And in the case of Puerto Rico, unlike Cuba or what was happening in the Philippines, nobody was asking for independence, and what's more, the Puerto Ricans themselves received the Americans NOT with bouquets, but rather with shots of cannon and muskets.
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This map wasn't meant to be serious. I'm Italian, not American, and I don't support any of the claims I display in my series on irredentism
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Ahh ... so you're Italian huh? Opps ... I had no idea, since I had seen similar maps and it turned out that the author was a Canadian, so I assumed that whoever did this probably was someone who took the story of "American exceptionalism" too literally ...
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It sounds good to me.Β Β Β
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I was literally just looking at "Polk's America" map yesterday, how convenient. A minor thing you missed is the Maine dispute [Aroostook War]
Otherwise a really nice and clean map.
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I'd add Japan and Germany (or the US occupation zone) as very light, Philippines tier claims. I'm sure we'd go after that before we go after the interior of Mexico, land we've never held or even particularly wanted to hold.
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Probably should just put a picture of planet earth and it'd be perfect
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Ever considered to make an animated gif with all the layers?
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Looks good! I'd prefer to have all of the Americas under the Stars and Stripes, but this is a good start Β
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Just wondering, you donβt include the Philippines or other pacific holdings like Guam? You could even include areas of occupation like in west Germany and Japan.
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I said in the description that the first layer includes all unincorporated territories like Guam and the pacific holdings. As for occpiation zones, I don't think they can be classified as irredentism. And yes I forgot the Philippines. Gonna fix the map as soon as I can
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I think, because of War Plan red and the war of 1812, all of Canada could be a darker shade.Β
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That makes no sense, maybe Upper Canada for 1812, but if we include War plan red, then we need to include all of the war plans; the plan also doesn't say anything about claiming Canada, just ideas of how to beat it in a war.
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That is a possibility, but I do not think my statement doesn't make sense...
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Like, in the same layer as Labrador and Newfoundland?
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But, I guess Trump wants to exclude Mexico anyway.
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